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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Photons may be the energy info stores of all universal knowledge, and possibly the innate stores of internal feelings and knowledge systems, unless they transfer this internal info to other atomic particles ... ... ...
    yes yes yes

    (though I am in a state of great inner tumult wondering why I have an opinion)
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Mathematical Theorem of Genericity__"Mathematical genericity is absolutely required to sensibly understand reality, simply..."

    This may help...rrr

    "Truth is eternally limited to genericity, due to the fact that the manifold of interpretation is infinitely extendable__X/X=1+IEE, eternally..."

    Math / | \ Epistemics \ | / Math / | \ Objects \ | / Math

    Much is in this link, but not perfect:
    On the Inherent Incompleteness of Scientific Theories...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    The Mathematical Theorem of Genericity__"Mathematical genericity is absolutely required to sensibly understand reality, simply..."

    This may help...rrr

    "Truth is eternally limited to genericity, due to the fact that the manifold of interpretation is infinitely extendable__X/X=1+IEE, eternally..."

    Math / | \ Epistemics \ | / Math / | \ Objects \ | / Math

    Much is in this link, but not perfect:
    On the Inherent Incompleteness of Scientific Theories...
    'genericity'
    - 'it's all the same'

    - all generated from a simple repeating motif

    which *though* doesn't mean it'll get boring
    in fact
    - quite the opposite
    since
    'infinitely extendable'

    - crank the pattern and before you know, unravelling that rainbow,
    much as you knew

    'd

    happen.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by _ View Post
    *though* doesn't mean it'll get boring
    in fact
    - quite the opposite
    since
    'infinitely extendable'
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd's link
    ... ....theoretical incompleteness allows for novel technological possibilities in the future, permitting the human race to accomplish things that may have been previously thought impossible.
    - the evolutionary equation is inscribed in fun; elegant ever complexity within the space:time manifold
    as
    a complete definition of ever increasing fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by :-)
    The pursuit of truth, though it may continue forever, will never lead us to a dull
    road, but to always more and more adventurous ones.
    ... ... more adventurous, fun, exciting
    at least if we allow it to be.

    Will we allow it to be ?
    education into the human condition if sprinkled lightly over all people
    can make it s(o:

    - any ideas on how to bypass the politicians, bankers and lawyers who don't like people talkin', getting ideas ...?... ...

    Politicians enriched for lawyers -
    - words with zero information content when wielded by these dangerously erratic people.

    I'd suggest something like a vogon stun gun and communicating device with large screen and cat sizzling transmission rates as standard issue to the Resistance.



    An intercommunicating signal which penetrates National borders as if there's nothing there separating people
    which
    is
    nice
    - because nothing separates people
    nothing at all.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    A Mathematically Pragmatic Universal Constitution…

    Motto of the elite: “Placate the sovereign individual with complex words' systems, to keep him docile”.

    SB asked this question in his last post to me:

    “Will we allow it to be ? education into the human condition if sprinkled lightly over all people can make it s(o: - any ideas on how to bypass the politicians, bankers and lawyers who don't like people talkin', getting ideas ...?"

    "Politicians enriched for lawyers - words with zero information content when wielded by these dangerously erratic people."

    …and yes, I do have many ideas on how to bypass the politicians, bankers and lawyers who don’t like people talkin’, getting ideas, against the wishes of politicians being enriched by/for lawyers, by words with zero information content, when wielded by these dangerously erratic people__The answer is a bit of truth, for the first time in history…

    Throw away Aristotle, W.James and J.Dewey, they are fools. Pick up on all the early and late pragmatic Pythagorean Greeks, and Ibn Sina, Kant, Peirce, Veblen and J.M.Keynes, the intelligent mathematical pragmatists. Re-found all your thinking on this new principle: The Mathematical Theorem of Genericity: "Mathematical genericity is absolutely required to sensibly understand reality, simply...", and its clearer explanation: "Truth is eternally limited to genericity, due to the fact that the manifold of interpretation is infinitely extendable__X/X=1+IEE, eternally..." These general facts just make it an easier standpoint, to see the greater Universal/eclectic picture. Then maybe we’ll have a shot at enlightening the world to the fallacies of all nations’ Imperial Preference Constitutions, which are no more than Elite Documents to enhance theft by the well-off and powerful, while their handmaiden_The Academic Elites_create word systems to placate the sovereign individuals out of their natural rights, and into docility, poverty, crime and wars.

    We used to have simple intelligence when we knew grounded mathematical truths could rule the massive over-inadequate word systems. Now, we have a complexity to inanity, leaving nothing and nobody in charge, but money and the evil power pinhead-elites. The sovereign individual must pick up his God-given innate talents, for recognizing new mathematical truths, and help in the great anti-intellectual battle that needs waging. It’s a simple mathematical method of truth, based on the old Greek Golden Ratios’ maths of least and most squares and powers. It quickly and easily shows everyone the two truths’ systems the Rich and powerful have erected over the millennia__The powerful one for themselves, and the weak one for the less well-off sovereign individuals.

    The sovereign individual was weakened by the promise of equal rights for all, when in fact all constitutions simply guarantee rights according to the skills of theft, and you’ll all find these Imperial Preference clauses in the constitutions of all nations on Earth__These anti-innocuous laws must be changed, to laws closer satisfying the rights of all sovereign individuals, not just the wealthy few. The battle is nothing more than the sovereign individuals rights, and/verses, the corporate/government theives’ rights. It’s completely your choice to fight the intellectual battle for your own sovereign rights__Please choose correctly.

    The Two Rights Systems are no more than stupid verses intelligent pragmatism. The stupid system uses complexities of all kinds, to blind all weak parties into docility. The innate intelligent system uses the sensible middle way mathematics of old, and awakens the juices of possibilities for the weak to intellectually over-throw the powerful__"Yes We Can". The faulty democracies of ‘Crooks and Criminals’ must be replaced with democracies of Total Sovereign Individual Rights of Truly and Fairly Incentivized Equality and Pure Liberty, for the first time in world history. The constitutions of pure sovereign theft must be swapped, at the nearest yard sale, for what the elite years ago threw away, as junk thought, because it slightly invaded their absolute rights of pure theft. And the greatest criminal in the long march of word-smithing was one darling lil’ ol’ Aristotle, creating the most elaborate phony logic system, the world has ever witnessed, yet most have been too ill prepared to find the simple mathematical truths of history, to over-come this madman of rhetorical solipsism. That time of sovereign individual blindness, is now ending__Good riddance to the ignorance of Aristotle and his ilk…

    And, it’s time for all willing bodies to help end the World’s love affair of: “Equal Rights According and Accorded to the Skills of Theft”…rrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    That time of sovereign individual blindness, is now ending__Good riddance to the ignorance of Aristotle and his ilk…

    And, it’s time for all willing bodies to help end the World’s love affair of: “Equal Rights According and Accorded to the Skills of Theft”…rrr
    “To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true”—Aristotle

    Truth is:

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    The truth of everything is less than one inch,
    it is only equal and the lion is one.
    One is free when the door is opened,
    education has the key.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Still a tautological fool, when one looks at his whole system, MJ. Everyone makes the mistake of a few true statements__Know what I 'meen'...rrr

    Quote Originally Posted by MJA View Post
    “To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true”—Aristotle

    Truth is:

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    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    There is an equality to everything and it's just an equal respect for diversity and freedom - nature is finite and constraining, people can't find that pathway to fit in without bumping into others and there's typically not enough intelligence in a democracy to understand that if people just took a single step to the side on occasion, we could all get past fine - everyone has a pathway they want to take and it just takes greater social fluidity to construct the diverse eddies that accomodate everyone in a pathway. People can learn it over time, but the forcing everyone into a melting pot isn't going to work - not everyone wants to eat soup (Basically it requires a lot more intelligence - on the order of billions of individuals to "run" humanity. There's no leader nro elite committee that's ever going be able to do more than offer suggestions and the continued trust that someone else is going to save people from themselves is just wishful thinking. The changes begin when someone bumps into themself and then realizes they have noone else to blame (and of course that's individual responsibility ... tough but ultimately well worth the investment, we just need a good example of what the results are - set that example).

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Hi Steve, and nice to hear from you. I truly have no contempt for nothing or no-one, even though it may seem so. I am in no hurry to inform or influence__the choice is everyone's to do as they please. I wouldn't want it any other way...

    I simply offer eyes, within eyes...rrr

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    Can't ya excuse me for a lil' rant, once in a while...

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveA View Post
    There is an equality to everything and it's just an equal respect for diversity and freedom - nature is finite and constraining, people can't find that pathway to fit in without bumping into others and there's typically not enough intelligence in a democracy to understand that if people just took a single step to the side on occasion, we could all get past fine - everyone has a pathway they want to take and it just takes greater social fluidity to construct the diverse eddies that accomodate everyone in a pathway. People can learn it over time, but the forcing everyone into a melting pot isn't going to work - not everyone wants to eat soup (Basically it requires a lot more intelligence - on the order of billions of individuals to "run" humanity. There's no leader nro elite committee that's ever going be able to do more than offer suggestions and the continued trust that someone else is going to save people from themselves is just wishful thinking. The changes begin when someone bumps into themself and then realizes they have noone else to blame (and of course that's individual responsibility ... tough but ultimately well worth the investment, we just need a good example of what the results are - set that example).
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    All that I'd add is that it's important that people realise the one problem which has plagued mankind over our entire history -
    - how selfish behaviour is hardwired in and how only through opening one's mind to reality is the knowledge to inform one's own behaviour away from inadvertent abuse of one's equally worthy neighbour attained.

    The only form of abuse which worries me (since the others will fall away) - is the abuse which occurs inadvertently -
    - through people not particularly knowing

    - not knowing the consequences of their actions.

    Difficult to imagine a world in which we can all know all of every aspect of the things people do.

    The nifty workaround to this problem would be to offer all people the same wage in a global currency -
    and then to know that the choice which remains
    (after the dust has settled)
    reflects
    the labours of willing participants -
    - no more people charging far too much for far too little (politicians, lawyers, bankers and their corporate robomannequin buds)
    - no more people being forced to pull 24/7s just to make ends meet.

    That's just not fair.
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