East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

How simple can we make it ?

-1-
we want to have fun

-2-
fun evolves as we grow

-3-
3 stages - growth, maintenance and strive towards continued evolution

-4-
ensure efficient growth - needs met, education open to all
Stage I
->-
Stage II (of mind transition)
ensure maintenance understood - so that people understand the change in their priorities which occur with age, duality, knowledge, wisdom ... ... ...

I really wish that somebody had been able to explain that physical possessions were to become deeply repulsive a little while later in life -
- stuff and no mechanism for getting rid of it quickly at a fair (massively reduced) price.
Of course overpaid during Stage I of mind.

Stage III
continued evolution - work towards maximizing 'the fun'.

Stage III explanation
Maximizing fun entails that we're increasing the complexity of our central nervous system (our internal fun detection machinery)
- are ourselves becoming better as we identify and amplify the fun which is possible
- which we avail to one another.

Divorce our concept of fun away from any 'physical requirement' and we're away
- pool all of our resources into theme parks which require actual attendance and we're nowhere.

None of this is surprising though as we examine the only real current growth area -
- portable ever more powerful higher resolution sound and light delivery devices.

A different reality within each window
- and all at next to no cost to our limiting physical environment.

[SB_UK]

Reducing reality down into a folded mirage which is only effectively real because the neurone (itself a folded mirage) is complementary (created in the image) of other folded mirages.

Once created the neurone will feel pain without its complementary binding partner.

However ... ... ...

what if we could not meet our needs for neural stimulation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation

Short-term sessions of sensory deprivation are described as relaxing and conducive to meditation,
if sometimes boring;
however, extended or forced sensory deprivation can result in extreme anxiety, hallucinations, bizarre thoughts, depression, antisocial behavior and death.

~*~

The pattern then of evolution of nervous structures into a conformation which can result in inner calm.

The human theta EEG which resonates with the principle mode of the Schumann resonance
- both at 8 Hz.

~*~

Is this latter idea contradictory.

Why?

Because we have (in this post) - the idea of an end point to mental development and in the previous post the suggestion that we should continue to work on delivering ever more efficient methods for fun to all.

I think that the answer is to be found in the 'back to the garden' recursive cycle:

->- ->- (optimise -> evolve -> optimise) ->- ->-

a unidirectional recursive process of evolution which results in superstructures of the same basic structure
- each time around though
better
because of the increasingly energetically defined emergent structure (capable of resonation) resulting in a more exciting experience (through the eyes of the emergent structure)
each
time
around.

[labelwench]

a unidirectional recursive process of evolution which results in superstructures of the same basic structure
- each time around though
better
because of the increasingly energetically defined emergent structure (capable of resonation) resulting in a more exciting experience (through the eyes of the emergent structure)
each
time
around.
Originally posted by SB__UK

I'm likely taking this quote in a different direction than you intended, but it all comes back around....

In communicating with horses, we use the process of sensitizing and de-sensitizing, as we build on our relationship of trust.

I should back up one more step to explain that there is a process termed 'imprinting' whereby the person gently touches the foal all over it's body, within the first 30 minutes of it's birth (provided you have an established relationship with the mare and she is not subject to stress or hormonal influences). This gentle handling and touch, plus the memory of your scent and voice, is the greatest breakthrough in equine psychology in my lifetime.

A foal so handled, does not fear you as a being. You still have to teach them, as a human child, and they will try your patience, but the element of fear has been removed, and the whole process is safer and advances more rapidly than in the case of a non-imprinted or fearful horse.

Back to de-sensitizing. There are certain stimuli that horses react to negatively and we allow them to observe and experience these objects, sounds, etc. from their comfort zone, gradually moving closer or increasing the intensity until they are comfortable, or at least tolerant of, what could be the trigger for a serious mishap, prior to such conditioning.

Sensitizing is the process whereby we attenuate the attention of the horse to our communication and body language.

The goal here is subtlety. We do not wish to pull on the horse's mouth, or kick it in the ribs, or cause it any intentional discomfort beyond tolerating our efforts to become more helpful and balanced riders.

Horses's are masters of subtlety, and the end result can be a horse that is lighter to the touch than a Porsche is to drive, the excitement in having so much power, yet bound to your bidding as by a gossamere thread.

The sensory stimulation of working with a creature that is such a living paradox, by it's flight or fight nature, is what I have attempted to capture in this post.

Trusting that I haven't de-railed your train of thought, SB__UK, merely side-tracked them....

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Infinity imo Is Hydro-Dynamic...
The Photon's Golden Ratio Path...
The Finite Infinitesimal Fields of Info...
All Information Is Pathed By Photons...
No Light__No Sight__No Information...
The Photon's Conservation of Information Law...
Eversions and Inversions of Logic & Greed...
Unstructured Knowledge / | \ Structured Knowledge...
'Ambition My Boy'__'Ambition Is Life's Purpose...'

Greed / | \ Greed \ | / Law / | \ Money


"All problems using crude money must be overcome to survive the future eco-techno-electrosphere."
"Since the first wave agricultural revolution only required simple single entry banking –– and the second wave industrial revolution invented and required double entry banking –– then the third wave technological revolution [will] invent and [require] "TRIPLE ENTRY BANKING.""
"The logician affirms, that it is impossible to deduce any conclusion from particular premises." G.Boole

"If I were King, there'd be no more poverty, crime, or war! I would institute a new monetary system I call `INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING.' This is a monetary proposal of perfect competition to end all wars, poverty, crime and unite all nations to build a perfect, united, diversified world... Due to the present world acting as a hap-hazard exchange clearing machine, the monetary will of the world demands a trade from `the imperial lie - you can't print wealth' to `Ecotics - a new moral philosophy of money.'

`INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING' is monetizing debt into a P.X. social contract of negative reserve triple entry banking and markets, to control inflation with wealth, to evolve the world to a state of monetary liberty. Under this system `INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING' balances floating exchanges, through the formula of `E=1/5X.' (where E is economics' perfect competition and X is world or national exchanges)

The house of fundamental monetary truths shows the monetary system's spiritual hand of greed controls all life through money. Furthermore, the world is a gambling casino of greed designed and sanctioned by God. Money is the mind of the spirit. The bankers are the dealers. Government is the laws and we are the hands playing the cards of greed. This my friends must change!!!

Who's country is it? –– The billionaires – or the people's?!!!"rrr

(simple sensible ideas from years ago_`80's, when fully comprehended. Gov's are simply blind to their own actions and real possibilia. In 1982 I empirically discovered an entirely new capitalist monetary system. This system is in direct evolution with the existing system. It is fully compatible with all known forms of money systems –– past – present – or future. The system is INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING –– TRIPLE ENTRY BANKING – a transactions truth. This new monetary system can be implemented cost free and effectively either unilaterally or globally. It can be instituted on a percentage basis from one percent, to twenty percent –– its most cost effective and productive percentage of operations' basis... You may ask why wasn't it accepted? The answer__who am I? A nobody, from the tiny town of Meddybemps, Me, USA... Need I say more...?_lg)

ABBA - Money Money Money (Abba-dabba-doo)Play... (Thanks Labelwench...)

(News item from a trusted source of mine_lg)Financial System on the Mend: IMF Reduces Global Loss Estimate From US$4.0 trillion to US$3.4 trillion... On September 30, 2009, the IMF released the October 2009 Global Financial Stability Report (GFSR), including an update of the expected global loan and securities writedowns. "For both banks and other financial institutions, the GFSR calculates that actual and potential writedowns from bad assets such as loans and securities have fallen by some US$600 billion over the past six months-from about US$4.0 trillion to US$3.4 trillion, as a lessening in financial stress has narrowed spreads." U.S. banks are expected to incur US$1.02 trillion, eurozone banks US$814 billion, UK banks US$604 billion, other mature European banks US$200 billion and Asia US$166 billion.(Still a long slog to go_lg)

Enlightenment__Seeing the Light__At the End__Of the__Middle Way__Tunnel...rrr

[labelwench]

The Photon's Golden Ratio Path...
All Information Is Pathed By Photons...
No Light__No Sight__No Information...
Eversions and Inversions of Logic & Greed...
'Ambition My Boy'__'Ambition Is Life's Purpose...'

Greed / | \ Greed \ | / Law / | \ Money

"If I were King, there'd be no more poverty, crime, or war! I would institute a new monetary system I call `INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING.' This is a monetary proposal of perfect competition to end all wars, poverty, crime and unite all nations to build a perfect, united, diversified world... Due to the present world acting as a hap-hazard exchange clearing machine, the monetary will of the world demands a trade from `the imperial lie - you can't print wealth' to `Ecotics - a new moral philosophy of money.'

`INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING' is monetizing debt into a P.X. social contract of negative reserve triple entry banking and markets, to control inflation with wealth, to evolve the world to a state of monetary liberty. Under this system `INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING' balances floating exchanges, through the formula of `E=1/5X.' (where E is economics' perfect competition and X is world or national exchanges)

The house of fundamental monetary truths shows the monetary system's spiritual hand of greed controls all life through money. Furthermore, the world is a gambling casino of greed designed and sanctioned by God. Money is the mind of the spirit. The bankers are the dealers. Government is the laws and we are the hands playing the cards of greed. This my friends must change!!!

Who's country is it? –– The billionaires – or the people's?!!!"rrr

(simple sensible ideas from years ago_`80's, when fully comprehended. Gov's are simply blind to their own actions and real possibilia...)

Forgive me, Lloyd. It's just such a good fit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCkOmcIl79s

[labelwench]

We now interrupt regularly scheduled programming for this irreverrent commentary on the changing demographics of North America .

With apologies to Lloyd, whose thread I greatly respect, and whom I chose as being among the most likely to appreciate my twisted sense of humour.

I'm somewhere between genX and the boomers, so we're all in this together, ladies and gentlemen....No one gets out of life, alive, except perhaps, Melanie.....?

Warning: If you are offended by the words Holy C--p, do not play this video.

http://karen21445.multiply.com/video...BattleHymn.wmv

And now, I'll give it break, regarding posting music on your 'working site', Lloyd.

Best regards,

Labelwench

[SB_UK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36XcyB3b-k4



(couldn't start the other)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36XcyB3b-k4
(couldn't start the other)

Hey guys and gals; If I looked or felt that old, I'd shoot myself, or at least get a big bag o' H and shoot up...rrr

Thanks anyway, it is funny...

[labelwench]

Thanks for posting another link, SB__UK.

Lloyd, I picked you, because you're mature enough to know better, and young enough to do it all again....

....and I believe you have some tolerance for my occasional breech of protocol.

....maybe....

....sometimes....

....just a teeny, teeny bit?

My night shift humour is not always 'politically correct', so I was looking for a thread with 'broad shoulders'....

Catch you all up the trail a piece....

Kind regards,

Labelwench

[Lloyd Gillespie]

won't the cornered beast simply run off to a ski resort in Switzerland during the Winter months and a fenced villa in Monaco during Summer?

They don't got no place to hide iff enough people demand total global law change. Local law can never accomplish it, that's why Keynes', Davidson's or my ideas are about total global systems, even though I have designed an autonomous solution also. The total global solution is by far the best. That means bringing all 37+ tax havens under the local law structures of all co-ordinated nations' controls, by sanctions against, iff need be, i.e., united we stand, divided we falllllllllllllllllllllllllll...
~*~

Isn't an explanation of the problem which we face -

- the existence of greed lying latent within all of us until we're old, educated and stable enough to throw off the programming ... ... ... enough ?

Yes, that is the problem, but only active change of law can harness that problem. All the education and enlightenment possible, in the world, won't remove adrenalized greed from the addicted__Only co-operative collective law change will. All else is just false hope, me fears...

Laws, Protocols, Recipes -
- can't see them of being any more use than in easing the transition.

Question__What about laws against lawyer's abusing the law...?_Crooks...?_Criminals...?_Greedomites...? I think that'd be a worthwhile effort__I don't really see how you could argue successfully against it__It's just a renewed respect for the esthetic and admirable. The transition must have and employ a valid law structure_no matter...

A road map (laws, protocols and recipes) from here to better - to better where we'll no longer require any unintuitive procedure.

Yeah, common sense laws for transition to better_is all I'm speaking of_nothin' unintuitive...
~*~

We have a problem and a solution - arriving at the solution from the mess which we're currently in - so much more difficult to imagine than either the problem or solution.

A huge mass of tangled wires which need to be untangled -
the problem isn't in gaining an understanding of the problem or solution - it's on how we unwind those wires - how one unwinds those wires without inadvertently introducing more knots elsewhere in the fundamentally continuous structure?

I hear ya SB, loud and clear, but you forget_I've done all that work_Already. All I need is a small army of voices of understanding and vocal and written support... Of course, everyone would need see much more of the system, to check their approval, but just write your own wishes into it as we go along, as long as they be feasibly reasoned into total global logical fit_to the whole evolution of...
~*~

Maybe wave upon wave of simplification in politics, economics and law - though with the express goal of fully distributing political, economic and legal decisions to people - an end to professional politicians, bankers and lawyers who only serve to confuse simple issues.

And yes, this is my system's end goal_total elimination of power from politics, bankers and lawyers_That's where the virtuous computer programs come in_And totally decided by universal geometric logic and incentive equilibr(i)ated math. That still may seem utopian to all but you and me, but I assure all_There's an honorable middle way mathematical path to just that admirable ideal goal...
~*~

Personal empowerment so that we're all priests, teachers, scientists, parents, creatives, builders ... ... politicians, bankers and lawyers though how hard? is it to express the desire that we'll all be politicians, bankers and lawyers in this current climate where the terms have come to represent bywords for the celebration of corruption (the savage within (original sin)).

It's not hard at all to realize geometric mathematics is universally the essence and equalizer of all of us, already_We all must just realize our potential mathematical potentia_In personal power, and political power. It's simple iff one just connects simple maths drawn from the continuum of infinity_as equally drawn as, 'All for one, and one for all'_The true Kantian style of the pure universal law of liberty...
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[quote]Ultimately though unwinding those wires is going to prove difficult - ... ... an impossible task unless people pull together.[quote]
Very true, people must pull together, but at the same time, a small army of dedicated minds can accomplish unheard of deeds, if the motive is Logically Pure...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism absolutely correct - requiring this: though - before all people are sufficiently infused with a vision in our collective future to give it a go.

And here, it reverts to what I stated above: The mind of greed must be turned over to the geometry of true and logical mathematics__Globalism problem solved by Nature's own given math. Remove ignorant man entirely from the equation, by the new equation being the fair math of all truth systems possible_Oh, did I mention all truth systems?_All are mathematizable_Even morality, when bumped up through esthetics, to reason, and finally to logic and geometry. 'Problems are simply opportunities in workclothes...' O'M'B.

SB--> The pact with the Devil is that if we don't 'use it' - it'll eat us alive. We're going to need to shape our society (environmental context) around a model which supports our own evolving (changing) evolutionary context within and out of into novel environmental contexts.
LG--> Exactly...
~*~
SB--> In summary then - we change and the constraints which society (through precedent) enforces become overly restrictive. Society tries to change though cannot support change - so poorly architected are the systems (laws) we live by - so poorly architected so as to make it impossible to gently unwind. A 30 year mortgage contract which most people live in fear of failing to make repayments on - not really living ... ... is it? The house is empty without fun within - the fun within is prevented through fear of house without.
LG--> Exactly again...
~*~

Collective ownership of all stuff (though as ever - I can hear the dissenting cries of 'Nooooo!' as people gouge their eyes out to shield themselves from the brilliance of that lovely utopic world which lies within reach).

That world you just speak of here, is within reach out in the future, but absolutely requires a transition bridge system, of unwinding all those bad greed contracts__or we're all dead_As your own countryman, J.M.Keynes, long ago stated. It's not a difficult passage__It just takes lots of ambition...rrr