East Meets West Logic...

[melanie]

Melanie, the mind is not Doubt__The mind is a soul which uses doubt, to resolve our doubts into scientific possibilities, to improve our species' futures...

The aim of our species should be an esthetics of best possible paths, orders and goals...

What's your aim in life, Mel...???

aim less... like a butterfly.

Soul, is just a term/noun, for all the mind can possibly be...

At what point in evolution did the soul enter the entity ? Reality is a verb.

Did our early simian ancestors have a soul?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

At what point in evolution did the soul enter the entity ? Reality is a verb.

As I stated, 'Soul' is just a term to represent the total possibility of mind. It didn't enter__we are bio-born with a mind/soul__the bio-soul is the 'I' of mind__discursive cognition, judgment and understanding__and best represented by our aesthetic and esthetic capacities and possibilities__Our best aims...

Did our early simian ancestors have a soul?

They had a mind, didn't they...???

[melanie]

As I stated, 'Soul' is just a term to represent the total possibility of mind. It didn't enter__we are bio-born with a mind/soul__the bio-soul is the 'I' of mind__discursive cognition, judgment and understanding__and best represented by our aesthetic and esthetic capacities and possibilities__Our best aims...

Other than the made -up guess work of other conceptual beings.....there isn't a shred of evidence to support the idea that there is such a thing as "soul" "spirit" "trinity"

They had a mind, didn't they...???

No thing has got a mind- The mind IS no thing...in other words monkeys do not have minds, the mind has them.


People will never be satisfied, not in the past not in the present and not in the future...
People are stories and stories need tension, excitement.


Only peace is not a story, it's like a reality with only the color white, then you cannot see anything,
just as when everything is pitch-black darkness.



The only time is the eternal now for noone - It's natures PRESENT to you.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Other than the made -up guess work of other conceptual beings.....there isn't a shred of evidence to support the idea that there is such a thing as "soul" "spirit" "trinity"

I only stated it as a term to facilitate understanding. In order to make understanding easier, the Greeks first proposed the rationality of using the term 'soul', as an overview standpoint, to organize and discuss the mind's total capacity of function... It's mere convenience of understanding... Call it brain, call it soul, call it sh*t__I don't care, as long as some term is used to discuss the totality of the mind's potentiality__possibility and non-possibility__without confusing it with the term mind__proper...

The trinity is simply another term for feelings, rationality and wisdom__the three known basics of the mind/soul__for convenience sake...

No thing has got a mind- The mind IS no thing...in other words monkeys do not have minds, the mind has them.

All that does Melanie, is reverse the order of reality to ignorance of interpretation... If one is going to make sense, the bio-soul is 'I' inside bio-mind/brain... The other way around simple goes to the infinite regress of non-dual non-sense... Even Mikal puts the reality number at 4__that's 3 dimensional space, and 1 time of spirit... Reality can't be reduced below an actual 4, and have any sense made of it__Kant proved this__Peirce proved this, 200 and 100 years ago...

People will never be satisfied, not in the past not in the present and not in the future...

I have no interest in people's personal satisfaction. That's personal to them. I only have interest in esthetic aims/goals...

People are stories and stories need tension, excitement.

Sex is for excitement__Stories are for entertainment...

Only peace is not a story, it's like a reality with only the color white, then you cannot see anything,
just as when everything is pitch-black darkness.

Even the blind see... Peace is illusion, conflict is the reality__Until people understand the Esthetics of nature, and better civil law...

The only time is the eternal now for noone - It's natures PRESENT to you.

If all was eternal now__The imbecilic fallacy__Your mind would be frozen eternally in the absolute image of only 'ONE VIEW'__The Absolutely Impossible__Except to 'One Universe', if that's even true...

Eckhart Tolle forgot about reality__There is a real future, and a real past... In other words, there's more than the 'now non-reality memory...'

“What can I know? What ought I do? For what may I hope?” Kant

[melanie]

All that does Melanie, is reverse the order of reality to ignorance of interpretation... If one is going to make sense, the bio-soul is 'I' inside bio-mind/brain... The other way around simple goes to the infinite regress of non-dual non-sense... Even Mikal puts the reality number at 4__that's 3 dimensional space, and 1 time of spirit... Reality can't be reduced below an actual 4, and have any sense made of it__Kant proved this__Peirce proved this, 200 and 100 years ago...

Obviously, this play of consciousness would not work, if we all came to our senses, made sense.

Best not to then... we don't make senses, senses make us.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Obviously, this play of consciousness would not work, if we all came to our senses, made sense.

Best not to then...

For comity and comedy, that's perfectly fine...

And, I agree completely__I'd hate to live in a world of totally sensible, intellectually fixed, morons...

[melanie]

I'd hate to live in a world of totally sensible, intellectually fixed, morons...

Then don't 'think' it then.


When you do this kind of deliberate thinking, notice the pause before the full-blown thought.
That is just the way it is - there is no perception in that space, but there is attention to it.
There is awareness. You are certainly aware before the thought ''totally sensible, intellectually fixed, morons'' arises.

Thinking in this way is not wandering thinking, it's not judging or analyzing, but just noticing ''It's like this''
When you deliberately think, you can use thought to keep pointing to this, noticing the way it is.

If you listen to the pronoun ''I'' in a sentence, such as ''I am a totally sensible, intellectually fixed, moron'' and the words that follow, you will realize that you are creating this consciousness of yourself through the words you are deliberately thinking.
That which is aware of your thinking – what is that? Is that a person? Is it a person that is aware? Or is it pure awareness? Is this awareness personal, or does the person arise within that?

Explore. Investigate. By investigating you are actually getting to notice the way it is.
You come to recognize that there is actually no person who is being aware. Nevertheless, awareness will include what seems personal.

Mind is not an instrument to resolve doubt, mind is doubt.(the painter is not in the picture the picture is in the painter)

Mind is an aspect of Awareness.

You are not the mind, the mind is already you. This play of consciousness is a construct of mind, ( the thinking mechanism)
including the thought 'me' 'i' 'you' 'other' etc....

The mind does not have to re-invent it's own totality.

Totality is mind-less.

Everything is an appearance mind included.

Mind is apparent separation is alienation is hesitation.

Reality is nothing more than a dreamstory made up by 'No Body' or 'Brahman', or Oneness, or the Absolute.

As for life.....shit happens (apparently) and that is good, as fertilizer for fauna and flora.

It's all good, especially the shit....

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Mind is not an instrument to resolve doubt, mind is doubt.

Sorry Mel, we dis-agree here... If mind were doubt, you couldn't even engage the mind to write your response to me__so, you are being dis-honest to yourself... The mind can only function the will, by overcoming doubt, not to function its will... You can't sell a bucket of non-sense to me__and I'm well aware of all you wrote above this quote...

Mind is an aspect of Awareness.

You put the cart before the horse. Carts don't pull horses. Horses pull carts...

You are not the mind, the mind is already you. This play of consciousness is a construct of mind, ( the thinking mechanism)
including the thought 'me' 'i' 'you' 'other' etc....

It's also bull-crap, Mel... Talk sense or don't talk... We have a saying in Maine; "If you can't improve on silence, don't say a word..."

The mind does not have to re-invent it's own totality.

No, it should understand its own totality...

Totality is mind-less.

Lie__Totality includes minds...

Everything is an appearance mind included.

Lies again Mel__Transcendental illusions are appearances__Mind is both illusional and realistic...

Mind is apparent separation is alienation is hesitation.

Lies again Mel__There is no separation, alienation or hesitation in direct perception, and no bullsh*t needed, to truthful minds...

Reality is nothing more than a dreamstory made up by 'No Body' or 'Brahman', or Oneness, or the Absolute.

The absolute is true, but 'No body', 'Brahman' and 'Non-dual oneness' are bullsh*t...

One day Mel__You'll find yourself__Looking back at you... The Two Innate I's, while the third overlooks both...

[melanie]

Lie__Totality includes minds...

Totality cannot include something else, where there is only total totality.

So that makes you a liar too... haha

[melanie]

One day Mel__You'll find yourself__Looking back at you... The Two Innate I's, while the third overlooks both...

What you are looking at is what is looking.

I guess that removes the imagined two 'I's' once and for all.