East Meets West Logic...

[labelwench]

The Yukon is a large territory, Whitehorse a small city, and the outlying communities and 'suburbs' of Whitehorse are also small, so we have a strong sense of neighbourhood throughout the Yukon.

Interesting, that because most of the Federal Transfer Money, (which is our main economic engine, followed by mining and tourism) comes to Whitehorse, which also holds most of the City, territorial and federal government jobs, there is a powerful sense of disenfranchisement from 'The City'.

Each community and suburb is quite neighbourly, yet all are in competition for the resource management access and transfer funds.

If we encounter this type of difficulty in making a system work, when there are only 30,000+ people in the whole territory, then restructuring the global fiscal paradigm is going to be challenge.

One other thought comes to mind: There has been a considerable influx of the undesirable elements of drugs and crime in recent years.

We have a rising homeless population, directly related to same.

It occurs to me, that while rational and intelligent people are striving very hard to improve the situation, there is a considerable percentage of the population who are going to continue to live outside of any system envisaged.

Since I have been working nights, I see a lot more of the 'night life' in this city, and it's not very pretty. An ambulance was loading someone on a stretcher as I arrived at work, from a building adjacent, where overdose and violence is a regular occurence.

There is a lot of financial aid, rehabilitation and accomodation being provided, yet the situation does not seem to improve.

Our front page story this week was on the impact of a national label mouthwash that many are consuming for it's high alcohol content, and the serious harm, including death, that can occur from this form of substance abuse. In our store, the pure vanilla used in baking, is kept locked behind the counter.

One cannot legislate against all of the means by which people can chose to harm themselves.

It is a very daunting situation that we are facing, locally, regionally and globally.

Interesting comments from all on this thread.

Regards,

Labelwench

[SteveA]

Paper is flowing in

What flows out and which direction does it head?

(It's not currency or goods themselves that are the problem. It's the theft via. an exchange for "nothing".)

The "stimulus" packages in the U.S. are basically attempts to grab as much real property before people realize the scam.

And if you don't sell, they'll likely just jack up property taxes until you can't afford to stay there or even now use eminent domain and just try to kick you off.

Now here's likely the next step ... they'll say they need to protect people from the private sector and will go around trying to "pool" resources into a "public" environment (that you're conveniently denied using without being rationed permission) and of course because the markets had such problems they'll say we need "public work" programs to sustain the economy (a.k.a. tyranny and slavery)

Game over

It's easy to see and the pattern has become almost too predictable.

The energy crises were manmade artifacts too and attempts to monopolize global energy production. Any potential alternative technologies are "assisted" via. government investments (with strings attached) or brought up (even forced via. courts) by a representative corporation and then these alternatives are then denied being used to others unless you're still paying as much as before.

(Ok, I'm slightly overcritical, but there have been a lot of people saying this for a long time and their predictions have been much more reliable than the "official" predictions which morph almost monthly)

Global warming was just an excuse to invade independent countries with their own energy resources and another excuse to add additional monitoring, controls and taxes on energy.

Yes, it's here folks.

Globalism itself is fine. It doesn't hurt to have foreign exchange and commerce. The problem is that it can also spread political/military/government/legal/monetary diseases ... and these are distinguished from private affairs in that they're armed and don't generally leave peacefully if they want something.

So in a more metaphysical "scheme of things" what does that represent? Seems like a good question. I think it's like the order/chaos contrast and the "balance" is shifting toward a bit too much (stifling/stagnating) order. Maybe a little more energy and creativity is needed? I'm open to suggestions. Is there a good 3rd option?

[SB_UK]

now here's likely the next step ... They'll say they need to protect people from the private sector and will go around trying to "pool" resources into a "public" environment (that you're conveniently denied using without being rationed permission) and of course because the markets had such problems they'll say we need "public work" programs to sustain the economy (a.k.a. Tyranny and slavery).

... ... ... .

[SB_UK]

I'm open to suggestions. Is there a good 3rd option?

1/2 day weeks with 2 days mandatory holiday per calendar month.

[SB_UK]

We've all become slaves to stuff -
more formally the stuff which arises from the manufacturing sector.

A single Apple netbook (a 7 inch iphone with holographic attachments) and free (public service providers) 3g connection to google books entails access to information.

We've 20 large boxes of books
- too many books to store in a house
- too many books to locate one when one is required.

Not enough room in a thoroughly average Western house to store our books alone and then there's the inescapable truth that most people have more than books in their house.

There's a fundamental failure in politics, economics and law because these areas of investigation are all geared to inequality in ownership (scarcity?)

- however information just wants to be free.

A single individual can put up enough information onto the internet to keep another busy for life -
- imagine what billions of people working together could do.

The worst part of stuff - the mass of untraceable wires, buttons, screws, bits and pieces
- all of which're absolutely necessary for some thing to work
- all of which have been thrown away when we
long forgotten
their purpose.

Hours of drudgery spent before we're able to buy some stuff which takes hours of pain to house and clean and then sell (the week after) when we realise it was a rash purchase.

~*~

- Ascetic digital nomads -
an environmentally elegant, ever more stimulating future guaranteed -
- ever better standard of life guaranteed for our children

- all that's required is for all of the people who own stuff to hand over their deeds to collective ownership.

No individual or goverment or country can have ownership and benefit from burning (unsustainably) fundamentally shared resources.

Question?

How can current political systems operate if they accede all authority to one~world government?

How can the current legal system (all a variation on contract law) be retained under a model of complete freedom of information?

Can economics survive in the absence of the stuff of supply and demand?
The suggestion I'm making is of an excess in availability of virtual stimulation -
yours (effectively unlimited) from which to choose and discard at will.

Political, economic and legal systems are built on the ownership of stuff.

Human nature is better than that
- proper human nature just wants to give it all away.

Only the savage within seeks to benefit at net detriment to all those around -
- the savage within who hasn't allowed hiself to learn that when the forest fires have burnt up the oxygen to generate room for biofuel -
that there'll be no man around to benefit from all of this fuel - asphyxiated as we will have been from all of those cars which (so an alien'd muse (because there won't be any of us left here)) was all things considered an ill considered venture.

The fuel is used to give us the freedom to destroy our planet some more; the automobile is the perfect synonym for human greed.

Prestige cars just aren't -
- prestigious is the desire to put in more than one takes out.

~*~

The idea which is beginning to clarify in my mind is that : physical layer 'man-meddled' objects are requirements for survival (food, water, electricity)
and that
mental layer 'man-made' objects (virtual) bring us joy -
- by driving our mind and then to think some more.

And so how about a minimum guarantee to all people of just enough physical level supply (at no cost to the individual - free for all) of survival critical items
alongside
access to a 3g enabled laptop.

All of this just as a starting point, though a point which we need reach prior to moving on.

I'm guessing that the education which will be delivered to all people during 'roll out' of this scheme (by virtue of instant on access to all other people instantaneously) will have an effect on population control.

Voluntary population control measures introduced as people understand the problem for themselves
- understand and act.

Our greatest problem isn't that people are bad
- it's that nobody has the time to develop the big picture view of our species as a system.

The big picture view is that we've made a fundamental error through failure to understand our selves prior to acting -
- have been living a lie.

Once we're there (water,wood,electricity,flour, water and waste management for all) (+ a 3g enabled laptop)
- we can then concentrate on building upon our then stable base.

~*~

The laptop would deliver 'How to ?' to everything

Building upon our then stable base would include :

global animal (and vegetation) care infrastructure
global public transport infrastructure

~*~

We don't need cars

We don't need any choice in physical level objects like vacuum cleaners

Antiques for a museum - if special (not cluttering up our eyes and lives)

We no longer need CDs, DVDs, books, LPs, cassettes, mindiscs, video recorders, live TV, printing presses for newspapers and magazines, furniture shops, plastic toys ... ... ...

I've just run through the yellow pages and a store catalogue - and we can effectively eradicate every job type in the yellow pages
and
the list of items available for sale from the thousand pages worth -
- both down to just a couple (if that).

Importantly though *not* immediately -
we're in a huge mess right now -
and simplification can't work until we firstly stem the flood of new products onto the market
- recall everything that we've already (and using) in place and introduce a standardized replacement.

The Internet would not have worked if people hadn't agreed to use the html standard.

The standard has to be incorporated into the physical world
- much more urgently in the physical world than in the virtual

- more necessary because of the limiting nature of physical resources.

~*~

Are these ideas particularly ground breaking?
No

Will they succeed?
Yes

Will the money which makes money from destroying our environment accept these ideas?
No

~*~

The problem and solution are simple to arrive at
- synchronizing people's efforts the difficult issue

- the difficult issue because the one aspect of our species which we cannot overcome is greed -
- greed (selfishness) prevents people from getting over themselves

- prevents people from doing the right thing
- nothing'll change
- until there's some understanding of the problem
- the problem which lies within all of us
by virtue of our evolutionary heritage.

[SB_UK]

one kinda' knows when the lyrics of the music which one plays repeats the exact same message which one is attempting to get across
- that one is attempting to express a Universal desire:

Tea for the Tillerman

I know a lot of fancy dancers,
People who can glide you on a floor,
They move so smooth but have no answers.
When you ask why'd you come here for?
'I don't know why?'

I know many fine feathered friends
But their friendliness depends on how you do.
They know many sure fired ways
To find out the one who pays
And how you do.

followed by

Well you've cracked the sky, scrapers fill the air.
But will you keep on building higher
til' there's no more room up there?
Will you make us laugh, will you make us cry?
Will you tell us when to live, will you tell us when to die?

I know we've come a long way,
We're changing day to day,
But tell me, where do the children play?

followed by

... ... it's a wild world

filled by

animal spirits

- supposedly human beings with rapacious animal spirits overuling {our,their} capacity for rational thought.

who's at fault?
everybody

can an academic scheme affect human greed?
no

what's the solution?
explain the problem to people and see what transpires

~*~

so ... explain the problem in one sentence?
The mind is an evolutionary property which delivers an incapacity to see through itself and which places (unbeknownst to us) the needs of our self over society -
- selfish desires for our own exclusive ascendancy which'll mean the end to our species
if allowed to continue out of hand.

It's just not that hard to understand.

If allowed more than one sentence -
all we need add is that we can get over ourselves (kill original sin)
- when we reach an understanding of the world around.

An understanding which can now be taught
- be taught conditional on people willing to be taught

- represents ToE.

The animal within does not want to be taught
- believes that he's doing 'very well thank you'

and *that*
- and that is our problem.

~*~

The hardest part of ToE -
conveying the sense that money should not
and
will not matter
- if we simply attempt to understand the problem we're having here.

~*~

I built my house from barley rice
Green pepper walls and water ice
Tables of paper wood, windows of light
And everything emptying into White.

A simple garden, with acres of sky
A Brown-haired dormouse
If one dropped by
Yellow Delanie would sleep well at night
With everything emptying into White.

... ... an energizing ascetic digital nomadic existence

[SB_UK]

The hardest part of living currently is having (and not being able) to pay to hasten our own species demise.

The current instantiation of politics, law and economics need to fall because they formalize 'animal(savage) spirit'.

~*~

Solution
as above alongside a single wage, at least until somebody can come up with a method for defining a quantitative mechanism for defining worth.

If your kids cause you to feel 1/2 unit of happiness then they should be paid a 1/2 Unit of currency.

Rather than working up a design for a multi-electrode EEG sensing cap to monitor our every nervous impulse -
- why not simply pay everybody the same amount of money and tell people to pursue the ideal of sustainable fun for all ?

- at which point we're away.

As soon as people are helped to understand our absolute requirement for fun (and its intimate association with human nervous system development) -
- people sufficiently infused with the both unswervable need and uncontrollable desire to throw {ours,their} all into a process which seems right
- seems and feels right
- seems and feels right because it is right.

~*~

Academia required for no other (in this current scheme) purpose
other than to demonstrate unequivocally the existence of a simple line of logic which unites each and every other school of thought -
- the true point of education (in other words)

- converging the divergence
- clearing up the mess which academia was made (by process of evolution)
to
make.

Evolution - an exercise in hierarchical, recursive structure formation:

'to march them up to the top of the hill'

before

'marching them down again'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE6rBTcSHbo

[SB_UK]

Tea for the Tillerman

(what a truly fine album that was)

Kick out the devil's sin, pick up, pick up, pick up the good book now ... ... ...

and read through the metaphor.

Re: East Meets Middle Meets West Logic...

It has all been about realizing the existence and expurgating the devil within.



- peace comes from within -
... ... ... and now provably ... ... ...

~s ource~
We report here the presence of a new form of mineral deposits in the pineal gland. The calcite microcrystals would have piezoelectric properties with excitability in the frequency range of mobile communications. Their interaction with GSM waves could constitute a new mechanism of electromecano-transduction on the pinealocyte membrane, influencing by the fact the melatonin production.

wifi

[SB_UK]

'it's all the smeggin' same Kryten'
--- mohandas gandhi ( in Red Dwarf )

East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_i...icennian_logic

... ... .... in which he gave a proof for induction being the only true form of argument, which had an important influence on the development of the scientific method of observation and experimentation.

The guys (above) are right -
- just as Lloyd mentions - it looks as though Aristotle set us off on the wrong model of reality -
nothing TRUE about our Universe of mind -

- effectively truth only possible by induction.

~*~

Truth by induction -
- the logical model.

The mind as a logical model.

Empirical science falls as the dominant method for science.
Precedent exposed.

We're given all that we need to understand the mind -
the mind is placed into context of evolution

- evolution is defined as change
- where precedent can only be trusted up until a point.

That threshold has now been breached.

Science has now handed its reigns of power over from precedent to model
- human legal systems are based exclusively on precedent and now must fall.

Current parochial National systems of law, economics and politics must accede all power over to global unification
- a new logical system designed to work with our new

... ... logical selves.