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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Zero Sum Politics of Hegemony and Mercantilism...

    The Essence of The Global Architecture

    The Two America's - Empire and Democracy!

    The Inertial Anatomy of A Statecrafted Hegemon!

    "If there's a mercantilist, there's a hegemon - One can't exist without the other." LG

    The #1 scientific law of world problems - All problems exist in exact relationship to the imbalances between peoplecrafted intelligence and statecrafted laws verses the natural laws of mind, nature and science!

    What is America's intention? The American spirit is hegemony. America's general intent is empire. What is the fundamental cause? [time and resources use]

    We need political recognition of the inertia of global imbalances of labor due to nations' integration timing into modern capitalism, from past inflation impediments - Marxism and colonialism or mercantilism and hegemony into internal functioning capitalism.

    The central world system is hegemony verses mercantilism. The trouble with the world is hegemony and mercantilism.

    America's hegemonic laws must change for her very survival!

    America is the hegemon - Its entire law structure is geared toward hegemony!

    Hegemony and mercantilism is exploitation by superior knowledge systems.

    Hegemony and mercantilism's imbalances are strangling capitalism and all chances of improvement.

    The huge imbalances and inequalities between wealth and poverty that has developed in the modern world is not what capitalism is about. This is no more than the evil and cruel battle of hegemonic created mercantilist struggles, against its master, hegemony and global financial suzerainty, by powerful interests. The natural intuitive laws of mind demand a rebalance to its natural center of gravity of fairness and equality to all the world's citizens.

    The natural law - Any imbalance will create an evil. Any pure and high balance will create a good.

    In the final analysis, power can never cheat the natural laws and survive...!!!

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Quantum Radiation Theory of First Cause...(Abstract thinking from one of my early posts, back in 2006)
    I posted this elswhere, so I thought I should post it here, as it is the few notes and ideas I am working on, as relates to a physics theory of everything. Any and all comments and questions are welcome. Let's play this one out and see if it goes to completion... I'm just using relational and correspondence logic, to look at these ideas... Help me out...(2006)

    The Zero Theory of First Cause...(Abstract theorizations)
    "The mechanical necessity of universal self-circuitry - Absolute zero temperature, in and of its infinite space origin self-black-hole, created the first superconductive field wave force[vibration, amplitude, resonance, harmonics], and quantum radiation of - before visible finite matter, came dark infinite space cloud matter." me
    "The #1 law of universal forces - Everything tends toward equilibrium." me
    "Zero and infinity are the equilibrium of "the" singularity." me
    "True infinity is a finite one." me
    "A true singularity black hole, which the universe certainly was before first star heat, would be a zero temp super-conductive field, required to radiate quantum energy, as Stephen Hawking showed in the mathematics of his black hole theory. The first principle has been directly in front of us all along. Probably everyone has seen the levitating magnet, over the ceramic button, in the super-cooled flask[some sites even offer the materials to do your own experiment]. Such an experiment has clearly shown the quantum strangeness of super-conductive forces. It's just one short step from here to universal first cause." me
    "Absolute zero temp creates the first super-conductive field force and quantum radiation of - still happening in birth of new galaxies"(maybe)
    "Seeing first causes allows one to see the future." me
    "You must become logic, logos, to hear truth." me
    "To know wisdom, look back." me
    "There's no truth, without mathematics." me
    "Equilibrium is the arithmetic of zero and infinity - The evidence is the many finite circles she has drawn in our infinite sky." me
    "Look in and back. Find the self-math self." me
    "The arithmetic of chance and choice - cosmic(mental) evolution." me
    "The very properties of infinite space are force and vibration." me
    "Zero and infinite force equilibriate at the speed of light." me(early posit)
    "Natural absolute zero super-conductivity is the strongest and infinite force." me
    "All necessary forces of universal formation exist at absolute zero." me(hydrodynamics)
    "To find true reality, think it backwards." me
    "The arithmetic of first abstract causes, principles and laws." me
    "The arithmetic of final abstract causes, principles and laws." me
    "The supreme ultimate, divided and multiplyed by quantum motion, equals the quantum state." me (in my first copyrighted book in 1991)
    The Arithmetic of Everything...
    A Sensible Infinity...
    "The law of requirement - The only source of matter/energy at the universal abstract origin, to make conservation of energy/matter law true, was infinite space matter/energy, to produce first structured matter, therefore infinite space matter/energy is required!" me
    "The #1 law of impossibility - Finite matter cannot birth infinite space!" me
    ""The #1 law of infinity - A first singularity is required by definition to be infinite, as it is all there is!" me(abstract maybe)
    "A law of Einstein's impossibility of time and motion observer - It is impossible for SR and GR to be completely true, with no stationary now space!" me
    "The particle theory problem - The finite cannot produce the infinite!" me
    "The arithmetic of spirit/energy/matter physics - T.o.E. - May be a theory of one, that describes everything!" me
    "The infinite void's matter/energy waves?" me

    Just a few more ideas to thrash around... Do you see the problems with Einstein's SR and GR? The way I see it, the problem and solution to the T.O.E. is a purely intellectual one - untangle the confusion, and we have it. What do you think...?

    The Imaginal True...

    Absolutely true imagination is the superior functioner of mind in any T.o.E.

    The function of imagination was put very succinctly and clearly in 1972 by Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kuk:

    "The perception of ontological truth is dependent upon the development of the power of imagination", A SPECIAL NON-RATIONAL FACULTY ... [my emphasis], and

    "In the treasury of imagination all truth and greatness are contained; these become manifest little by little through the restrictive, filtering channels of reason. Our rational faculty is but a humble disciple ... All praise is due to the vital force of our higher imagination ... which unites with the higher Reason".

    "The Power of imagination is the `chair' of which the light of wisdom and of the higher life rest . . . The exalted state of imagination obtains as long as man adheres to the standards of holiness; secular imagination, on the other hand, contains only the reflected power of the shadow (of reason) and is the source of cynicism . . ."

    Not that I agree with it all, but quite succinctly put.

    Wave Structured Matter...

    There doesn't seem to be anyone around, so I'll take a stab at answering your querry. In my logical way of achieving certainty of quantum mechanics, and wsm over cosmological space-time special relativity, I compared the absolute mathematical certainty of greatest magnitude infinity itself, to space-time relativity's lack of mathematical infinity at all, in the large. Of course infinity, in the small, exists in all systems, but a greatest magnitude infinity only exists in non-space time absolute infinite space, i.e., the new quantum mechanics of Wolff, Mead, Hawkings, Lafreniere, Haselhurst, myself and others, plus the wsm. It only takes doing the spact-time math of either 15 or 30 billion years of light speed travel to realize Einstein's figures fall far short of greatest magnitude infinity. So if we eliminate the possibility of Einstein having any cosmological space-time validity, we have more certainty, to start with - no cosmological space-time special relativity confusion. This in no way eliminates Lorentz's quantum relativity - the only true relativity to begin with.

    By my mind's logic, absolute greatest magnitude infinity makes far more sense than Einstein's restricted cosmological curved space-time special relativity balloon, of false lesser than infinity mathematics. If we are going to accept logic as mathematical certainty, greatest magnitude infinity must be accepted as a corresponding mathematical certainty, only possible in wsm's new quantum infinite space reality. You can't have conflict in mathematics and achieve any certainty at all in formal logical systems. Most all formal higher order logic and mathematics systems either agree or correspond, not contradict. Einstein's cosmological space-time special relativity mathematics contradicts the highest order formal logic of greatest magnitude mathematics. Thus, Einstein is wrong and wsm is right, as the only other serious mathematical reality left - a new logic of mathematical certainty - least and greatest magnitudes of infinity.

    As to the laws of nature, physics and sciences, they really don't control anything, anyway. They are the evolving of space motion onward. They exist as descriptors of wave actions of motions. Even if I were to grant the validity of Einstein's cosmological space-time special relativity, none of the natural laws would change at any velocity approaching the speed of light, even if such a foolish idea as speeding the earth were done, due to conspansion, all measuring tools, parallel lines, maths, etc., on and on, would all shrink with inperceptable change to any theoretical observer. The reality of the observer, even in the shrinking rod scenario or clock scenario, is absolutely impossible due to conspansion - the fact that no observer at the cosmological level, under Einstein quantifactions, can ever tell if that type of universe is going forward or back, or stable, shrinking, or expanding, or matter shrinking, nor can an observer ever exist at that level, even theoretically, without always viewing the same unchanging frame of reference. Not to be offensive, but quite a foolish false reality, if you ask me. So I suggest we accept the only sensible possible reality - wsm and true infinite and absolute space.

    We have only one real choice, the false mathematics of special relativity Einstein or the true greatest magnitude mathematics of infinity.
    by L.A.Gillespie (2005__quite radical, weren't I...?)

    Take away all the universe's heat, and you have the real prime mover - The Initial Super-Conductivity of A Quantum Radiating Singularity! Absolute zero temp creates the initial electric wave motion, period - extreme pressure of infinite space, zero point energy! This is just a natural attribute of infinity.(Before my understanding of FS__Most of these ideas, I've carried since 1982 forward, when deeply investigating physics...)

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    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    I'm just using relational and correspondence logic, to look at these ideas... Help me out...(2006)
    Help iz at hand ......

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    The Zero Theory of First Cause...(Abstract theorizations)
    Something from 'Nothing ??

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    "The mechanical necessity of universal self-circuitry - Absolute zero temperature, in and of its infinite space origin self-black-hole, created the first superconductive field wave force[vibration, amplitude, resonance, harmonics], and quantum radiation of - before visible finite matter, came dark infinite space cloud matter." me
    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    The field existed, before spacetime and matter.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    "The #1 law of universal forces - Everything tends toward equilibrium." me
    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    ...the field has a restless urge to seek the smooth state, once achieved, its energy value would measure zero, and we would measure zero if we measured its rate of change of this value.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    "Zero and infinity are the equilibrium of "the" singularity." me
    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    We would say metaphysically that we found 'nothing' to measure ? If we arbitrarily raised the value of the whole field uniformly, or lowered it uniformly, we would still measure zero/zero across the field. The field when still (or smooth) is contributing the least possible energy it can.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    "True infinity is a finite one." me
    So .... there is no true infinity ?? I iz wiv ya bud. Your describing Inflation Theory

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    The microwave cosmic background radiation is around 2.7 k but it does vary. But not till around the fourth decimal point. So if you measure the temp difference between 2 points in space you will get variations up to 1/10000 of a degree (photons have had to travel thru more and less dense areas and their energy varies depending on the gravitational fields they have had to overcome)

    Using the CMBR as a 'fossilised record' inflationary theory graphed and predicted the temp variations across a region of space and this graph exactly matches the COBE and WMAP temp measurements.


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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    Help iz at hand ......

    Something from 'Nothing ??
    What are you, foolish__Half-baked__or what...? Even though it's my older ideas, they still clearly state a fundamental substance__real space matter, at zero k... Read the above closer__WSM equals Wave Structured Matter__meaning matter from the eternal infinite em-field of least dense matter... What is with you and Austin, and such a foolish assumption of something from nothing__The scientifically known impossible. That's a 'god' theory__where you been, in the church__the Dogma Dog-house__or what...?


    So .... there is no true infinity ?? I iz wiv ya bud. Your describing Inflation Theory
    Not hardly Greg, Deflation Theory__The Deflation of Infinity to Finity... Get with the program, instead of being sense-less... Guth is a Ruth-crank__He looks just like Ruth in the Bible... LINK



    Originally Posted by Graybeard
    The field existed, before spacetime and matter.
    Greg, if you want to post religion, there's a religious section...

    Originally Posted by Graybeard ...the field has a restless urge to seek the smooth state, once achieved, its energy value would measure zero, and we would measure zero if we measured its rate of change of this value.
    Again Greg, more pure religion__No logic detected...


    Originally Posted by Graybeard
    We would say metaphysically that we found 'nothing' to measure ? If we arbitrarily raised the value of the whole field uniformly, or lowered it uniformly, we would still measure zero/zero across the field. The field when still (or smooth) is contributing the least possible energy it can.

    More stupid religion__no physics or logic present... No field is ever still or smooth...


    cool bananas ... greg
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    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    It wuz worth a try I thought ....

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Half-Baked, LOL......

    Warning: Adult Subject Matter

    I'm sure you two are qualified to moderate the content.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzEio_1trro
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Graybeard View Post
    It wuz worth a try I thought ....

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    Hey Greg..... HA HA!! LOL!
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    Real: Potential of Infinity for Eternity.
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    Reality: Formation of Space for Time.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Quantum Radiation Theory of First Cause...(Abstract thinking from one of my early posts, back in 2006)
    I posted this elswhere, so I thought I should post it here, as it is the few notes and ideas I am working on, as relates to a physics theory of everything. Any and all comments and questions are welcome. Let's play this one out and see if it goes to completion... I'm just using relational and correspondence logic, to look at these ideas... Help me out...(2006)

    The Zero Theory of First Cause...(Abstract theorizations)
    "The mechanical necessity of universal self-circuitry - Absolute zero temperature, in and of its infinite space origin self-black-hole, created the first superconductive field wave force[vibration, amplitude, resonance, harmonics], and quantum radiation of - before visible finite matter, came dark infinite space cloud matter." me


    Yes, the so-called quantum fluctuations, but they must have ever been so and are still happening
    .

    "The #1 law of universal forces - Everything tends toward equilibrium." me

    The second of the final laws.


    "Zero and infinity are the equilibrium of "the" singularity." me

    Yes, one and the same.


    "True infinity is a finite one." me

    Energy-mass, etc., is finite, since there is room left.


    "A true singularity black hole, which the universe certainly was before first star heat, would be a zero temp super-conductive field, required to radiate quantum energy, as Stephen Hawking showed in the mathematics of his black hole theory. The first principle has been directly in front of us all along. Probably everyone has seen the levitating magnet, over the ceramic button, in the super-cooled flask[some sites even offer the materials to do your own experiment]. Such an experiment has clearly shown the quantum strangeness of super-conductive forces. It's just one short step from here to universal first cause." me

    Yes, the law of the lawless no laws.


    "Absolute zero temp creates the first super-conductive field force and quantum radiation of - still happening in birth of new galaxies"(maybe)

    Sounds good.


    "Seeing first causes allows one to see the future." me

    Yes, there has to be a causeless bottom.


    "You must become logic, logos, to hear truth." me

    And not “loco”.


    "To know wisdom, look back." me

    It’s all there, so no need to make things up.


    "There's no truth, without mathematics." me

    Math and the universe are amenable to regularities and periodics.


    "Equilibrium is the arithmetic of zero and infinity - The evidence is the many finite circles she has drawn in our infinite sky." me

    Still true, as they are the same.


    "Look in and back. Find the self-math self." me

    Has to be.


    "The arithmetic of chance and choice - cosmic(mental) evolution." me

    Ain’t nothing else.


    "The very properties of infinite space are force and vibration." me

    Go with the force.


    "Zero and infinite force equilibriate at the speed of light." me(early posit)

    ‘c’ is the distance/time dimensional relation.


    "Natural absolute zero super-conductivity is the strongest and infinite force." me

    It just goes on and on all by itself.


    "All necessary forces of universal formation exist at absolute zero." me(hydrodynamics)

    All there is.


    "To find true reality, think it backwards." me

    Follow the chain.


    "The arithmetic of first abstract causes, principles and laws." me

    No infinite regresses.


    "The arithmetic of final abstract causes, principles and laws." me

    Life goes on.


    "The supreme ultimate, divided and multiplyed by quantum motion, equals the quantum state." me (in my first copyrighted book in 1991)
    The Arithmetic of Everything...
    A Sensible Infinity...


    It has to jiggle, for it is perfectly unstable.


    "The law of requirement - The only source of matter/energy at the universal abstract origin, to make conservation of energy/matter law true, was infinite space matter/energy, to produce first structured matter, therefore infinite space matter/energy is required!" me

    There may be room for infinite matter/energy in infinite space.


    "The #1 law of impossibility - Finite matter cannot birth infinite space!" me

    Space is space, by itself, perhaps;but fields everywhere.


    ""The #1 law of infinity - A first singularity is required by definition to be infinite, as it is all there is!" me(abstract maybe)

    Ain’t no more to the All.


    "A law of Einstein's impossibility of time and motion observer - It is impossible for SR and GR to be completely true, with no stationary now space!" me

    One has to give.


    "The particle theory problem - The finite cannot produce the infinite!" me

    Yes, no way Jose.


    "The arithmetic of spirit/energy/matter physics - T.o.E. - May be a theory of one, that describes everything!" me

    Or two: Infinity+Eternity.


    "The infinite void's matter/energy waves?" me

    It waves and matters.


    Take away all the universe's heat, and you have the real prime mover - The Initial Super-Conductivity of A Quantum Radiating Singularity! Absolute zero temp creates the initial electric wave motion, period - extreme pressure of infinite space, zero point energy! This is just a natural attribute of infinity.(Before my understanding of FS__Most of these ideas, I've carried since 1982 forward, when deeply investigating physics...)

    Any way we state it, whether the singularity, the vacuum, zero-point, etc., it has to be the prime mover, for that’s all there is/was/will be and so there can be no other candidates

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post

    "You must become logic, logos, to hear truth." me

    And not “loco”.

    Casey's last loco ride


    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post

    "The arithmetic of chance and choice - cosmic(mental) evolution." me

    Ain’t nothing else.

    Necessity ??


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    Re: East Meets West Logic...



    The New Biology- From Victim to Master of Your Health

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