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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Probable End...???


    The development of this Universal Physics would now appear to be
    essentially complete. There are many remaining opportunities for further
    investigation of various special forms of physical behavior and further
    implications of this new physics. But, the general overall structure has been
    developed and that development is validated by its congruence with physical
    reality.
    One other major development has occurred implicitly in the elaboration
    of this physics. The 20th Century scientific - philosophical point of view of
    uncertainty, probabilistic reality, relativity and indeterminism has been directly
    contradicted by this science of "hard", definitive, specific behavior of the
    physical universe. The philosophical point of view that the questions, "What is
    truth ?" and "What is real ?" are meaningless questions without answers has been
    shown to be not only incorrect but quite negative in that it suppresses inquiry and
    progress that would otherwise take place.
    Truth is that which conforms to and describes reality. Reality is that
    which is, not only matter and energy in their various forms but also: feelings and
    emotions, ideas and cultures, languages and arts, and so forth. Whether we can
    know, sense, measure or understand some aspect of reality or not it still,
    nevertheless, is.
    Roger Ellman

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    THE ASTROPHYSICAL BASIS OF THE UNIVERSAL DECAY


    There is general agreement among scientists who study such matters, that
    is cosmologists, that the universe began with and results from an essentially


    instantaneous appearance and outward "explosion" of the matter and energy of
    the universe, at a "singularity" -- the Big Bang. But their generally accepted
    concept of what the resulting on-going expansion is and how it operates has
    several problems of unanswered / unresolved considerations.
    SPACE
    The Hubble - Einstein theory, extensively elaborated in numerous books,
    texts, and scientific papers, is that the result of that beginning was the creation of


    space itself, and that it is space, itself, that is expanding, and in the process
    carrying the universe's matter and energy along with it. That expansion of space
    is considered to be such that the velocity,

    v, of recession from a distant observer
    of any object in that space is directly proportional to the object's distance from
    the observer so that the distance is

    v/H0 where H0 is the "Hubble Constant",
    the value of which has been not well determined beyond being in the range of
    50 - 100 km/sec per megaparsec
    , but is reported per analysis of a Hubble
    Space Telescope survey as
    72 km/sec per megaparsec.
    [The
    parsec is a unit for measuring astronomical distances that is equal
    to
    3.26 light years. A light year is the distance that light travels in
    one year at our present speed of light,
    c = 3·108 meters/sec. Of course a
    megaparsec
    is a million parsecs.]
    In spite of the past acceptance of the Hubble - Einstein concept there are
    fundamental questions about it that remain unanswered. The concept is a direct


    result of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity for which space, itself, is some
    kind of "substance" [not Einstein's terminology, but effectively the equivalent]
    capable of expanding and capable of being "curved" by the effect on it of
    gravitating masses in it. That concept leaves the problem, "... relative to what" ?
    If space is expanding then the expansion must be relative to some static, nonexpanding
    reference. If space is curved than the curvature must be relative to
    some flat, uncurved reference. One cannot have relativity without relativity.
    So, what should one call that "flat, uncurved reference"? It must be, and
    it is, space itself; and it is, and it must be, the framework that expansion of the
    universe is relative to. And, flat, uncurved rectilinear space is and must be, the
    framework that curved motion due to gravitation is relative to. And that space
    must have always existed unoccupied [and, therefore actually "nothing"] until the
    "Big Bang" introduced matter and energy into it.
    Furthermore, were space itself expanding as in the Einstein - Hubble
    theory, then it would be expanding everywhere including the expansion of the
    space containing and within all of our instrumentation and measurement
    standards. But, an expanding ruler used to measure an expanding universe would
    report only a static state, not an expansion. The expansion would be undetectable
    by us if it were space, itself, that is expanding. Since we detect the expansion,
    then it must be, and is, the objects within space that are moving away from each
    other [away from the "Big Bang" location] and space itself is static.

    (continued)

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    In the Hubble - Einstein conception the universe that arose from the Big
    Bang has no "center" and no "edge" or boundary; rather, space -- the universe --
    is a topologically "closed space" with nothing else beyond its "spatial limits".
    That concept results from Einsteins's insistence that there is no primary frame of
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    reference, that all is absolutely relative. Einstein took that position arbitrarily,
    there being at his time no way to prove or disprove it. Probably his position
    resulted from his, itself, correct thinking that all frames of reference must have
    the same physical laws and the same fundamental constants, that is they must be
    "invariant" [Einstein's terminology]. But, that does not preclude one of those
    frames being the primary reference while still having the same physical laws and
    the same fundamental constants, that is while still being "invariant".
    Since Einstein's time measurement of Doppler Effect shifts, due to the
    Earth's orbital motion around the Sun, on our measurements of the cosmic
    microwave background "Big Bang" residual's wavelengths demonstrate that there
    is a primary reference and it is the location of the "Big Bang" and that the Earth's
    present absolute speed relative to it is
    3.7·105 meters/sec

    [See page 106,


    (2).] [The "Doppler Effect" is that waves propagated

    from a source moving away from us experience lengthening of their wavelength,
    and shortening for a source moving toward us. A common experience of the
    effect is the rising then falling tone of a whistle or siren as its source approaches
    us then passes and recedes from us.]
    The Hubble - Einstein space having come into being from a singularity
    and having continuously expanded thereafter, it is difficult to justify the concept
    that the location of that original singularity is no where, and in particular that it is
    not somewhere within the expanding space of the universe that arose from it.
    Likewise, it is difficult to justify the concept of the expanding universe of space
    having no "edge" or boundary. Because it is expanding, at any moment the
    universe's "closed space" encloses a smaller "closed space" that it was a moment
    ago. Some distinction between the two is necessary else there would be no
    expansion. The enclosed smaller "closed space" must have a boundary or
    "spatial limits" that distinguish it from the total enclosing larger "closed space"
    with its larger "spatial limits".
    Theorist mathematicians like to use analogies to justify their space-withno-
    edge. They cite the surface of a sphere as a two-dimensional space having no
    edge, no boundary, as it exists in the three-dimensional space of the sphere
    whose surface it is, and they then ask that that example be extrapolated to a threedimensional
    universe in a four-dimensional space. But the sphere surface is in
    three-dimensional space and it has two boundaries:


    [1] the boundary between

    the surface of the sphere and everything outside of the sphere, and


    [2] the

    boundary between the surface of the sphere and everything inside the sphere.
    Also, some theorists like to cite the Moebius Strip as an analogy, but that is only
    an example of quibbling with definitions, not an example of different space.
    The Origin and Its Meaning conception of the cosmic topology is that
    space is a three-dimensional Euclidean metric which is nothing until something
    occupies it. It is now not nothing because part of it is occupied by the matter and
    energy of the universe. The metric extends infinitely in all directions, but only a
    finite portion is occupied by the universe. The unoccupied portion is nothing,
    only a metric.
    Roger Ellman


    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Hi Lorrina, I didn't mean to cut you short yesterday, buy had to make a errand run. One reason I'm not being more direct about answering your questions is the U.S. Gov. is scanning all sites publishing ideas related to nuclear fission, fusion and what-not, due to national security over the fear of terrorists using such information. When I first got on the web back in the `90's, I was able to download all the a-bomb blueprints and all the other nuke information. They've cleaned all that material off the web now. I don't really want them knocking on my door if I happen to say more than they want said, if ya know what I mean. I'm sure that information is still available somewhere on the web, but my recent web searches couldn't find it__so I'm just guessing the gov. removed it, and is blocking it here in the U.S., as they have Carnivour, an electronic snoop computer, running on all web lines and satellite feeds... I can tell you there used to be enough information on the web for even a smart high-school kid to build an A-bomb...

    Without getting too technical, what was it you really wanted to know...?

    Nope, just found one: http://www.unmuseum.org/buildabomb.htm
    Another: http://www.serendipity.li/more/atomic.html
    Here's an a-bomb like the one we dropped on Hiroshima, in 1945__It's a gun bomb__there's a cannon inside to fire it...



    Quote Originally Posted by labelwench View Post
    LOL, blame it on the heat.

    Presumably, the specifics of the actual goings on at the nuclear level are not intended for complete comprehension by the general public, lest the fringe element undertake to experiment with same in a neighborhood nearby, as witness the political concern regarding nations that are proceeding to develop nuclear science and weaponry.

    I shall attempt to refrain from posing you similar challenges in future.

    Surely, if we may contemplate the origins of the whole enchilada, then what's a little fission or fusion between friends and colleagues?
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    And now for Mass...............................

    My curiosity was aroused by your diagram, as it looks very much like a pedigree chart with the U begetting little Ba's and Kr's and then more U's and I just wondered at the mechanism as it twigged a picture of Mendel's laws of Heredity in my mind, and I wondered if there was some strange mathematical correlation behind many of these apparent 'laws' that we attempt to define, nothing more.

    Thanks for the reply and I would not want to incur distress to any party, so we can let matters rest.
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Just some notes, of some ideas that need discussing...

    "The concept of existence... cannot be relativized without destroying its meaning completely." Godel
    "No physical theory of local hidden variables can ever reproduce all of the predictions of quantum mechanics." Bell's theorem
    Nietzsche and the uncertainty principle - "Stare into the abyss long enough, and the abyss stares back into you."
    "Consciousness vs. Intelligence, Wit and Wisdom__You have a choice, but you can't have both at once__I choose intelligence, wit and wisdom."

    The Intellectual Conundrums - Relativity - Uncertainty - Incompleteness
    The Circle of Incompleteness
    The Subjective Space and The Objective Space
    The Grand Mistakes - Einstein - Heisenburg - Godel
    Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity
    Godel's Space-Time Relativity
    Intuitionistic science...
    Intuitive time before Einstein...
    The real inside the theoretical, inside the real, or Leibniz/Einstein - Universal absolute mind...
    Relativity, uncertainty, and incompleteness - The holy trinity of ambiguity!
    The blind theory - "Motion creates gravity" - How?
    The impossibility of a black hole center footprint due to the differences in earth's and the universe's ages.
    The theory of everything is an intellectual completeness statement of the absolute wisdom.
    The absolute truths of the known systems - The natural laws!
    Godel and the incompleteness of relativity and quantum mechanics...
    Einstein - Heisenburg - Godel - If, No, Maybe...
    Einstein - An intellectual exercise...
    A logical intelligence beyond Einstein, Heisenburg, and Godel...
    Is infinity, finite?
    Time knowledge and space knowledge - The apex of natural law's wisdom...
    The fundamental natural laws are the only absolute cosmological and self-constants.
    The axiomatic cosmological constants of choice that make physics and cosmology incomplete...
    When relativity views relativity, it is required to see relativity.
    Relativity, the uncertainty principle, quantum mechanics and the incompleteness theorems are in absolute equilibrium with the absolute natural laws.
    When incompleteness views incompleteness, it is required to see incompleteness.
    The axiom stating the uncertainty principle is happening, when you can't even prove it is, by the circular truth of its own unknown. The axiomatic math of quantum mechanics is built upon an un-provable unknown!
    The axiomatic, un-provable, unknown of the uncertainty principle and quantum mechanics - It states its own uncertainty and tries to prove its other than it is. The natural law states you can't prove an uncertainty with an uncertainty - Tis the concept of the impossible - You can't prove infinity or infinite action. [sometimes it just is]
    The concept of the impossible - The uncertainty principle! [explain]
    Uncertainty - The observing machine is operating at the same speed, or less, as the observed - Can't observe the true picture - The viewer's conundrum!
    The viewer's conundrum - How do you view the speed of light, with a machine that can't reach the speed of light?
    Uncertainty is a self-created axiomatic incomplete concept, in and of itself.
    The concept uncertainty is what it is - A truth self-reflected unto itself - An incomplete dead end!
    Absolute equilibrium requires an internal uncertainty for feelings and reality to function - The uncertainty of positive and yin-yang energies' necessities to function - Feelings require differences and samenesses to function within the greater general equilibrium.
    The general equilibrium theorem - Differences of uncertainty do and must exist to create samenesses!
    What is beyond background radiation and the entire universe?
    The subjective time, and the objective time...
    The axiomatic cosmological time construct...
    The axiomatic cosmological point construct...
    Space beyond time - The mind's law space…???
    The space-time incomplete duality - One, not - Is two!
    Space and time are separate individual concepts.
    Einstein's mistake - The unity of dual concepts...
    The "now" concept space that contains time...
    Godel proved space-time relativity incomplete. He proved the axiomatization of space-time relativity. [supposition]
    The Godelian now space beyond Einsteinian space-time...
    Time exists in the "now" space concept, and the moving clock concept.
    The "now" is locked in space-time.
    The true universal ideal, through the infinite and absolute natural laws, is the only way to exit the space locked "now" clock time.
    The two concepts of time - The infinite internal "now," and the finite external changing.
    Intuitive time, and formal time...
    True space-time is "now" - absolute "now."
    The gravity fields...
    The laws of gravity requires black holes in a shrinking or expanding universe - figure skater example. [supposition]
    Universal births progressively evolve - The natural laws of progression - Each new black hole starts with more new matter. [supposition]
    Physics' axiomatic supposition math - The birth # mystery...
    Universal inflation is bogus without pre-big-bang propagation - A natural law impossible anomaly. [supposition]
    The many bang propagation of the big bang... [supposition]
    The smaller bangs to big bang propagation formation - Nature evolves in mini-steps, only. [supposition]
    The original small bang and progressively larger bangs that produced our universe big-bang birth.[supposition]
    The natural laws hold universal propagation to a small bangs theory first. [supposition based on natural law anomaly]
    The one time big-bang anomaly - The impossibility of such a one time natural law anomaly. [supposition]
    Black holes - Universes inside universes - Galaxies inside galaxies. [supposition]
    Exploding black holes? Exploding galaxies?
    The micro-logical puzzle [uncertainty] is answered in the macro-logical absoluteness of trans-finte logic. [conjecture yet provable]
    When you want to find the answers to the small, look into its anti-thesis - The big - Micro-logic to macro-logic...
    Uncertainty viewing uncertainty is an axiomatic observation, in and of itself. [axiomatic meaning incomplete]
    The incomplete uncertainty principle…
    When uncertainty views uncertainty, it is required to see uncertainty. [Poincare's singularity paradox]
    The uncertainty principle of relativity...
    The conservation of matter/energy law is incomplete.
    The life energy - The philanthropic energy...
    Most don't realize Godel extended the relative to the absolute - Einstein to Godel.
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

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    E8 Lie Group...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    LINEAR ASSOCIATIVE ALGEBRA, Benjamin Peirce...

    "Mathematics is the science which draws necessary conclusions."

    This definition of mathematics is wider than that which is ordinarily given,
    and by which its range is limited to quantitative research. The ordinary
    definition, like those of other sciences, is objective ; whereas this is subjective.
    Recent investigations, of which quaternions is the most noteworthy instance,
    make it manifest that the old definition is too restricted. The sphere of mathe
    matics is here extended, in accordance with the derivation of its name, to all
    demonstrative research, so as to include all knowledge strictly capable of dog
    matic teaching. Mathematics is not the discoverer of laws, for it is not
    induction ; neither is it the framer of theories, for it is not hypothesis ; but it is
    the judge over both, and it is the arbiter to which each must refer its claims ;
    and neither law can rule nor theory explain without the sanction of mathematics.
    It deduces from a law all its consequences, and develops them into the suitable
    form for comparison with observation, and thereby measures the strength of the
    argument from observation in favor of a proposed law or of a proposed form of
    application of a law.

    Mathematics, under this definition, belongs to every enquiry, moral as well
    as physical. Even the rules of logic, by which it is rigidly bound, could not be
    deduced without its aid. The laws of argument admit of simple statement, but
    they must be curiously transposed before they can be applied to the living speech
    and verified by,observation. In its pure and simple form the syllogism cannot
    be directly compared with all experience, or it would not have required an
    Aristotle to discover it. It must be transmuted into all the possible shapes in
    which reasoning loves to clothe itself. The transmutation is the mathematical
    process in the establishment of the law. Of some sciences, it is so large a
    portion that they have been quite abandoned to the mathematician, which
    may not have been altogether to the advantage of philosophy. Such is the
    case with geometry and analytic mechanics. But in many other sciences, as in
    all those of mental philosophy and most of the branches of natural history, the
    deductions are so immediate and of such simple construction, that it is of no
    practical use to separate the mathematical portion and subject it to isolated
    discussion.

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    America__On The Road To Hell, Or Utopia...?

    Can Anyone Tell...?

    Vote...

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    America__On The Road To Hell, Or Utopia...?

    Can Anyone Tell...?

    Vote...

    The road to hell is paved.......

    ......often with good intentions.

    We are predisposed to follow the path of least resistance, as it conserves energy, and there is ever pressure to conform to previous practice.

    Change may result by chance, for purpose (profit) or through necessity and given the present set of circumstances, I would project that it will be necessity that drives us to change, as we have become a self indulgent generation, in large part mindless of the downstream effects of such continued unsustainable practices.

    We enjoy an artificially induced sense of security and well-being in the Western nations, that has long been at the expense of the developing countries. Only in recent years has our complacency been disturbed, and we would remain in a state of denial.

    Though we enjoy the comforts of a man made heaven, I suggest that we are on the well-paved proverbial road to hell unless we make some planned detours, immediately.......
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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