East Meets West Logic...

[labelwench]

Hi Lorrina, and yes you are absolutely correct. Even as far back as 1972, I told my lawyer, when he asked me what I thought we could or most should do, to resolve the ever widening knowledge gaps between the academics/intellectuals and the common people__at the street level. Of course computers weren't real big at that time__but, I answered him that; We needed to use all possible and available radio, TV, movies, and any other form of entertainment processes, to lessen this ever widening knowledge gap__as I also saw it extremely detrimental to democracy's evolution__even at this early date. I should mention this note also; It wasn't but 6 months before this I had been telling everyone; 'The problem was TV brainwashing'__but, then I realized we have the ability, if the governments chose to do so, to turn this TV-education boat around almost over-night__We have the technological means__We lack the will__And I would like to see netbooks issued to all children in the world, and to the adults who can't afford them__But, with the public education network capacity, to fully teach the general populace how to fully prioritize and categorize their researchs__as time-economically feasible as possible...

All the resources in the world are almost useless, if people aren't taught the basics of finding and understanding truth, and truth systems__from the ground up...!!!

In training the horse, the first step is gaining it's trust through the demonstration of good intention and understanding of it's fears and needs, both physical and psychological. Until these steps are addressed, the horse is incapable of even the desire to learn beyond 'staying alive'. Once past that barrier, this animal is capable of amazing learning and willingness to work toward whatever goal the human, as the 'better horse', leads it's potential towards.

Fear and lack of basic needs being met are likewise the greatest barriers to people being able to turn their minds toward learning the many possibilities of prioritizing and categorizing the many potentials that lay before them.

In my observation, it is not only the disadvantaged in our society who suffer from a lack of understanding of the need to prioritize and properly evaluate the information so readily available when making decisions. Many an educated person also falls by the wayside financially and emotionally from having not utilized these principles in money matters and their relationships within society.

For every action, there is a reaction.

There are consequences to every choice made.

The above two remarks are foundational, in my mind, to any system of prioritizing and categorizing information prior to making a decision.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

For every action, there is a reaction.

There are consequences to every choice made.

The above two remarks are foundational, in my mind, to any system of prioritizing and categorizing information prior to making a decision.

You know Lorrina, it's funny you should mention these two statements. They are exactly the first two statement notes, in my original notebook of research__as they were the most important to me also, at even that early date of Fall 1972... I'd earlier been to the Tull concert, where he did the complete albums, Aqualung and Thick As A Brick__very influential albums on my psyche...

Notes:

'For every action, there is and equal and opposite reaction... '

And as applied to feelings:

'What goes around, comes around...'

My first two notes ever written...

I've since realized there's quite a contradiction here, as relates to always following the tenets of these two important statements. There comes a time in one's life experiences and prioritizations, when one realizes these must be exceeded, for the greater good of society__whether all understand this logic or not. When I finally realized there were real contradictions between our intuitive best natures, and our logical needs__I had to do some re-prioritizing of presentations, i.e., I had to take athoritative stances on certain issues__which weren't always in obeyance of my primary intuitive rules, as listed above. At first this caused many problems of how to square my personal soul's intuitive knowledge, with my more knowledgable intellect and logics of. It wasn't easy to deal with my own self-contradictions, which I also mentioned years ago here on TQ, to one of the female posters__as at the time, I was still wresling with my contradiction demons. It wasn't until a few years ago, when I actually sat down and did a few of the many diagrams I've posted, of the mind's internal functions, that I finally came to accept what was necessary action over my long held self-contradictions__which turned out to be the 'Necessity' to stand up for what I really believed and knew to be the most important prioritized truths__as best as I could find and relay them__even if this meant crossing some other people's beliefs__as I came to know and understand, "A world run on beliefs over knowledge and logic, is a destroyed world..." So, the question came to my mind of; "Was it possible to relay knowledge over beliefs, by authoritative means, without being too over-athoritative...?" And, this is the really tricky part, as I realized I had to be athoritative even over my own soul's opinions and beliefs, to arrive at my own logical truths__yet, I was even having trouble fitting my millions of world important concepts, into my own world concept__I'd been building since birth... How was I to fit this giant epiphany of millions of truths and truth systems into my own small world view...? I found not only did I have to greatly expand my small world view/views into much larger concepts of reality__I also required a way to bring the millions of truths and truth systems of others, into a functioning world view of my own__and have it still make sense to myself and others. This was the moment I realized I needed a personal system of prioritizations and categorizations__as there is no other way for our simple little brains to handle such massive amounts of information__especially since the explosion of the www...

All I can really do to show you maybe a piece of what I'm talking about is to tell you a few pieces of how I synthesized this mammoth amount of information down to handlable size. The first thing I did was think about it for years__How was it possible to fit an epiphany I had in 1972 into my little pea-brain...? This is the same as asking how to fit the www into anyone's brain, and have it make any sense to anyone at all...? I can tell you it ain't easy, but it is possible. The first thing I did was make a list of what I thought important to my personal agenda, which at the time was economics, law and money. Now, where was I going to find all the pertinent information, as a grounded enough level, to really make sense to myself__especially realizing I couldn't use present information__as I already know it was in retrograde...? The answer was of course__the older texts, when America and the world lived in wiser periods__so I began my research of periods no newer than 1945, and as far back as I though viable to go, for the truest informations I could find. Of course, I knew modern economics and psychology had only really been clarified in the middle to last part of the 19th century and early part of the 20th century__so at first, I limited my search of these two subjects to this time period. I also needed law studies, to make sense of economics__and I found that law was basically the same study since the earliest Greek, Chinese, Persian, etc., periods__so this expanded my research to all ages, as pertains to law__but, while studying law, which happens to be found in the philosopher's books of the ages__I also found many master minds of early psychology and economics__in just about every country studied, and I studied most__as pertains to philosophy, psychology and law, and then of course the best economists ideas I found__especially from the Persians, Greeks and Chinese... To make a long story short__by narrowing my field of study to what I thought most pertinent to what I wanted to know__I found a wealth of information about a tremendous amount of subjects and people I would never have dreamed of existing and having such modern intelligence__millennia ago. I also stayed with these older authors, until I had a solid footing under my mind, to even begin to venture into the modern authors__and what a contrast of what is important to know then, and what certain authors think is important now__that is not important... So, to me, the only true foundation of knowledge is from antiquity forward...

Now, does this mean others can, or would want to do what I've done?__of course not__but, at least it's an outline of possibilities of finding valid information, for someone that is interested. And as another note, physics must be more limited to the 19th century onward, yet mathematics can be taken all the way back... Early physics is quite wrong, in many areas, though there were some greats, such as Archimedes, Copernicus, Galileo, Huygens, etc., and many in the early and late Persian Empire...

I first prioritized and categorized as to what I personally wanted to know__To me, that's the key, even if it led me many places I never realized I'd go... Kinda like your search, here__ain't it Lorrina...???

[labelwench]

Thank you for sharing some of the decisions and paths that have brought you to your present realizations at this point in time, Lloyd. I believe that I may honestly state that the scope of your endeavors is far greater than most persons whom I know would venture to undertake, let alone attempt to share.

I first prioritized and categorized as to what I personally wanted to know__To me, that's the key, even if it led me many places I never realized I'd go... Kinda like your search, here__ain't it Lorrina...???

Originally posted by Lloyd Gillespie

An accurate observation.

There have been a few times in my life that I have experienced a sense of 'something' missing or overlooked, but have been unable to quite get a grip on just what is the cause of this sensation, which is a gentle nagging at the mind. The frustration lies in not being able to clearly discern the cause, that I might wrestle an answer forth.

All that I can attend is in as good an order as I may make it. Personal relationships, health, employment, enjoyment, community involvement, peripheral awareness.......all in stable orbit, though destabilizing influences surround, but those are beyond my ability to influence, merely able to prepare contingency plans.

Though on the surface it may appear that I but play in comparison to the work that others do, this forum serves as a window to the world from my rather remote location, and I appreciate the insights and observations being presented from various locations around the globe.

Unable to name the wraith that toys with the edge of my awareness, I am content to be on the lookout everywhere, for although I cannot name it, I do not doubt that should I encounter what I seek, I will know it.

Always a pleasure to share with you, Lloyd.

[austintorn@aol.com]

I'd earlier been to the Tull concert, where he did the complete albums, Aqualung and Thick As A Brick__very influential albums on my psyche... —Lloyd

I, too, saw them in '72, in Honolulu, where I was in the Army. Some "technicians" in coats were fiddling with the equipment at first, but it was really the Jethro Tull group themselves. One of my favorite groups; I probably almost wore them out in my brain by listening to them too much and buying every album. Heard the 'Moths' song again the other day (when looking up butterflies, dragonflies, etc) Still like them. Ian was a good poet, as all songwriters have to be.

Good post, Lloyd, as usual.

Not good to be "thick as a brick".

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Memory to Senses Continuum Is A Violation of Q.M. & The Uncertainty Principle…

The violation I intend to address is the embeddedness logics of motions and information paths’ preservations, absolutely rationally required to exist in the perceptual matrix of minds, and the chiral geometry of, which is absolutely rationally required to violate both the laws of quantum mechanics, and the uncertainty principle__To function. As the diagram below states; “Absolute truths and knowledge exist within these embeded logics”, and these imbeddednesses cause all the incompletenesses of our knowledge systems. Iff, this be true, is it possible to arrive at the mathematical proofs of these quantum and uncertainty violations? I’ll further state, we have other direct analogies of these same violation processes, and embedded hidden variables of motion and informations, in the human bio-cells, chemistry and the psychology of our foreign exchange markets. Is rational and logical necessity enough for a proof of what is stated and drawn…? Can these rational necessities prove the Continuum Hypothesis…? I think they can…


And that’s just what the above graphic implies, and that is it’s all like reason being rationalized to logic, to me, or knowing that; "The rational esthetic necessity of all emotions, is identical to justice and liberty for all of humanity", achieveing the same. I'd say this is also a pretty good analogy of the conceptual processes of perception. And this is the very key to the quantum mechanics of super-positioning I was getting at with my first post and graphic, on this thread, and all that’s been mentioned on ‘East Meets West Logic’, as well. The only scientific way to explain perception's ability to unite right and left hemisphere knowledges and concepts, especially of memory mapping to perception and concepts, is to realize the mind does work as a quantum super-positioning computer, at the photon's, boson's, etc., levels of concept mechanics. So, you Leskey have actually stumbled into the very heart of what I've all along, when I've had the chance to mention it, been talking about__The heart and center of QCD(quantum chromo-dynamics), and the uncertainty principle's true mechanics, by the very rational necessity of memory maintaining the quantum continuum's continuity(wave super-positioning) link(inter-communication abilities) for an entire lifespan__otherwise memory couldn't stay linked to perception at will, all our lives. To me this is the most important realization physics can make. I discovered it about six months ago. Thanks for reminding me what my true mission is__The physics' quantum proofs of rationally necessary unification of all quantum particle/wave/field motions and the physical facts of their actual violation of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle...


Iff all can just see the absolutely rational necessity of the memory to conception mapping, to the perception continuum's true continuities, then we've a clear vision inside the entire uncertainty principle and QCD, which at the most innate level, is thoroughly positively continuously linked, throughout our lives. Thus, the uncertainty principle has a certain real mechanical feature positively seeable by us, just as my signature states; "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.And, this is at the same time, a solid violation of the quantum state’s required continuous motions, as thus far scientifically realized and accepted, yet may be the stored state matrix of centered and fixed point(micro-black holes at center of protons…?) motions, for the entire bio-life of us simple beings. And, it’s also a clear violation of not being able to see the momentum and position of the particle wave, when in fact, it absolutely is a rational necessity for it to be permanently stored in a fixed state of no more than a cycloidic angular motion spin state__completely recallable at any desired moment, by the bio-will of innate being__and must be a fixed point state, else how could will know where to find it?(qcd black holes…? Surface of protons, quarks, etc…?) In other words, bio-beings actually have full control over this memory recall aspect of quantum mechanics and what’s been thought to be the uncertainty principle__yet, we certainly do have the power to violate this principle, any moment__at will__by our very own freest of free-wills__to recall almost any past memory state intuition, or almost any memory state concept…

We, as bio-quantum physical beings are pretty amazing. Scientists say we can’t know position and momentum with certainty__yet we daily violate this uncertainty, with the absolute certainty of will, to any action, at any moment we choose, to move the continuum of mind’s storage matter around, from place to place, or memory to perception or concepts__whatever__at will. We are the daily violators of the quantum laws of nature and physics, thus giving us the ability to see the macro results, from the micro actions, of our very own quantum choices. So, lil’ ol’ bio-human choice, all by its lonesome, violates both the laws of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle__At the mind’s quantum state level. If this ain’t a rationally necessary proof of violation__I don’t know what is. We have the power, as simple bio-beings, to move space/matter/wave energy motions__At least, at our micro field/matter bio-being levels__and I’m not even counting all our macro bio-being level violations…

I’m looking for serious feedback, in all this quantum mind matrix theorizing__especially since it’s ‘the hard problem’ of most all recent AI scientific philosophical research, as well as most all cognitive psychological AI research. Thanks in advance…

[leskey]

While we're on the topic of 'stumbling' (which I prefer to consider an innate ability ), I saw two interesting documentaries last night: one about music and its ability to train the brain. This may have some relevance to your thread, Lloyd...

The first sounds in human communication are pitch-related. While music mainly engages the right-brain, Learning music as a child, whether it's playing or singing, enhances congnitive ability. It plays a positive role in improving language skills - in particular, syntax/grammar. Of course, different cultures, not only speak different languages, but have different musical styles. It was observed that vowel length and pitch in spoken language equates to notes in music.

Music utilizes the auditory system to engender motion. This includes not only the urge to dance or move to the music, but also serves to restore normal movement to brain-damaged patients, in this case those with Parkinson's Disease.

Here's another brilliant case in point - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM6Mbv8hzH0 - hope you enjoy as much as I do!

The final (and obvious) conclusion was that music is the tool for social connectivity...nothing like a huge audience revelling in synchronized motion...in phase...?

[austintorn@aol.com]

To improve language skills, one may also do some crossword puzzles; it will only take a few.

Suppose the clue is "fountain offering", for a four-letter word. A picture of someone in Rome throwing a coin into a fountain may constantly come to mind and back, yet this word is not available due to other correct words intersecting in the puzzle. The trick is to get it out of the mind by the practicing of examining all other reverses, noun and verb forms, etc. One may then to think of "faucet", but this is not not quite it, although it may lead to it…

Granted, it may have been been a long time since one sat down on a stool to have a cherry coke or a Green River, but the answer is "soda", as in soda fountain.

[austintorn@aol.com]

General Lloyd Austin has been promoted to command the 50,000 troops that we have left in Iraq (really).

So, Lloyd, what should we do in our new joint assignment?

[austintorn@aol.com]

"Moths" by Jethro Tull



…in the light that never dies…

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Funny you should mention this Lesley, as I hadn't really thought it completely through, how important music had been to me, all my life. Even though raised on a farm, in one of the smallest communities in the state of Maine__my house was full of music and song__every day. By Austin also posting Tull's song 'Moths' and this post, I just inter-connected much of my childhood memories of my mother's multi-faceted music and song talents to my entire life's music experiences__she could play any instrument and sing like a hundred songbirds at once, and that's no exaggeration__and the entire family learned to sing along with her. The songs were of the widest veriety possible to imagine, but my favorites were those old fashioned sexual boogie tunes, I can remember and see her playing guitar and singing, as early as two or three years old. What I just realized was the fact, all these early songs told very clear life stories, and this is most likely the reason I was so attracted to Tull's songs__as I think he was one of the best story-telling musicians of all times__at least imo... Imo also, this is the heart and soul of a new and possible aesthetic and esthetic human values foundation, so necessary for new interdisciplinary understandings...

So music is that all important inter-lacer of people's possible differences... Maybe this could be used to re-connect humanity to its long lost story-telling childhood souls and memories of...???

Question: Who is everyone's absolutely most favorite story-telling musician...???

Btw Lesley, great piece you chose...

Here's one of mine: http://www.wat.tv/video/kate-bush-the-man-with-the-2mg39_2ibet_.html

P.s.
I played Tull a lot when my children were young, and my daughter became the State's champion flute player, by choosing to pick that instrument__I just realized this also... My son won all the artist's contests, but my wife was a tremendous influence, as she's also a singer of all the older sexual boogie and comedy-tunes, especially a lot of the Marine ones__as her best girlfriend's father was a Marine, along with being a great musician and singer__So, we both have rich musical and comedy backgrounds, with both of us having artistic talents also__my wife's better than mine... She's actually a talent genius, but I can't talk her into using her talents to publish her self-created ideas, songs and drawings__The best one she titled; "The Ants March On Washington..." I thought I'd die laughing, when she read it to me... It's a metaphorical allegory, set to a rythmic beat__pages long, as a satire of politics and the human condition...

I'm Pop-Eye the sailor man,
I live in a frying-pan.
I turn up the gas,
And burn my a**,

Oh, I'm Pop-Eye,
The sailor man...!

.........................................

Well, she jumped into bed,
And covered up er' head,
And said I could not find er',

I knowed damn well,
She was lying like hell,
So, I jumped right in, behind er'...

Etc., on and on...

Imo, the greatest mistake/omission global education has made, is not studying the lyrics of the music-poets of the late `60's and early `70's... And, there's many older and newer ones, should be thrown in here also... Upon my studies of these lyrics, I found some of the most grounded philosophy__the planet has ever produced... There exists more useful and grounded information__in these lyrics__than in all of CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS and PBS combined__yet the adult academic world is blind to these facts...

While we're on the topic of 'stumbling' (which I prefer to consider an innate ability ), I saw two interesting documentaries last night: one about music and its ability to train the brain. This may have some relevance to your thread, Lloyd...

The first sounds in human communication are pitch-related. While music mainly engages the right-brain, Learning music as a child, whether it's playing or singing, enhances congnitive ability. It plays a positive role in improving language skills - in particular, syntax/grammar. Of course, different cultures, not only speak different languages, but have different musical styles. It was observed that vowel length and pitch in spoken language equates to notes in music.

Music utilizes the auditory system to engender motion. This includes not only the urge to dance or move to the music, but also serves to restore normal movement to brain-damaged patients, in this case those with Parkinson's Disease.

Here's another brilliant case in point - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM6Mbv8hzH0 - hope you enjoy as much as I do!

The final (and obvious) conclusion was that music is the tool for social connectivity...nothing like a huge audience revelling in synchronized motion...in phase...?