East Meets West Logic...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

(continued.............................2007...)

Now, let's see what can be further deduced from this virtual absolute perception. Since it allows such a bird's eye view of the entire evolutionary processes of the universe, it may be far more promising, than I had first realised. Let's use this virtual Q perspective to entirely dis-assemble the total finite universe, down to its absolute sub-quantum fundamental substance. First, can this be done? I say, yes it can!

1.Let's take light first. Light exists as em radiation. As far as we know it's first origin is from the first singularity explosion, better known as the big-bang. Quantum mechanics states its velocity at this first event was somewhere around c*2^20ms[meters/second]. If this be so, we know that all light of the known universe is slowing, so, if it is slowing, that means it will slow all the way to the tG^tG perspective point. Let's arbitrarily set that velocity at c^-tGms, a very minimal velocity. Such velocity would be compatible with other properties of the sub-quantum fundamental substance, that will be developed in the following points.
2.Next, let's take electrons, protons and neutrons, etc., as they relate closely to the slowing of light. We already know the numbers exist for total radiation decay of all finiteness, at some 10^137 years, so what happens on this long journey? Since Q exists far beyond this light/radiation decay point, with our virtual perception, we should be able to witness the total dis-integration of all electrons, protons and neutrons, at the edge of their respective radiation decay cones. As the velocity of their mass/gravity slows, their pseudo-shells[for particle physicists] will begin to be weakened, and their internal velocities will start to radiate out, as the entire singularity releases all its velocity energy, heading to tG^tG point. Somewhere between 10^100 years and tG^tG years, all its mass/gravity velocity energy will have dissipated into the absolute fundamental sub-quantum substance, since it's all mass/gravity velocity wave/substance density to begin with.
3.Next, let's take a look at the uncertainty principle, as it also decays, or slows down, so we may be able to see inside its workings. The uncertainty principle decays to the slow motions of the absolute certainty principle of fundamental substance, at the edge of the decay cones, also. Looking inside it is the same as looking at points 1. & 2.
4.Vacuum has an interesting journey, as well. Many have theorized where vacuum comes from, and I dis-agree with all present theories. I say vacuum was produced and is maintained by the initial hot big-bang explosion, and its continueing expansion. Others state that all space is a vacuum, and I dis-agree with this also, here's why. Since 1. 2. & 3. points already deal with all finite universal decay, the vacuum would also have a finite cone of existence. As the finite universe decays into the sub-quantum fundamental substance, the vacuum dis-appears completely from the universe, somewhere between 10^137 years to tG^tG years. Thus, vacuum is a finite substance space of the total infinite universe. Q vision's absolute tG^tG point exists far beyond any such vacuum space, in the absolute fundamental sub-quantum substance space.
5.Electricity is a substance of substance velocity radiation. Classical, quantum and relative physics have never accounted for its fundamental causes, completely. If we look at Carver Mead's "Collective Electrodynamics", he offers a very simple example of quantum electrodynamics, in a continueous loop super-conductive storage condensor ring. The wave aspect of electricity extends backward and forward in time. Could this be its link to the sub-quantum world? I say yes, it is, but as 1. 2. 3. & 4. points show, electricity must also decay, as it's of the motion of substance, and all finite motion is decaying, along with electricity, that most famous of love's of quantum physicists. In the final analyses electricity decays to its minimal state motions, say c^-tGcm, in the absolute sub-quantum fundamental substance.
6.Weak and strong nuclear forces are of the fission and fusion states of finite motions, first created in the big-bang, and other stars, black holes etc. As of 1. to 5., these also must decay to the absolute ground state of fundamental substance.
7.Mass and gravity, which have mystified physicists for centuries, also must decay, to the absolute sub-quantum fundamental state of substance at tG^tG. Since mass and gravity are equivalent as the velocity densities of all substances, we can add them into the decay picture as per above, nothing special, just decay of fundamental velocities of substance/matter.
8.Aether is an interesting phenomena that's been with us since the Upanishads and early Greeks. Many particle physicists don't accept the existence of the aether, but most quantum and classical physicists do. The particle physicists had better start explaining comet tails' motions, if they can't accept the aether. The aether also must decay, as it exists only to the edge of the radiation and light cones, beyond cmbr, but still does not stand when 1. through 7. have decayed to the fundamental substance, and again somewhere between 10^137 years and tG^tG years hence.
9.All quantumization of space must also decay into the fundamental linear non-quantumized sub-quantum motions of fundamental substance, at the distant Q point, and at minimal velocity of c^-tGcm. Notice I'm not stopping the one degree of freedom of motion, yet.
10.Relativity is no more than the total velocities of mass densities under discussion. Since it's only a measurement, decay isn't an issue, but at least we can see through all its metaphysical illusions.
11.Minkowsky, Setterfield and Einstein Quantumized space all decay into infinite fundamental non-quantumized sub-quantum linear substance space.
12.Time, being just a measure of substance distance is just our abstract understanding in the real world. All understanding decays into the absolute fundamental mechanical substance.
13.Temperature, last of all temperature, the tricky substance, or is it? We know it most as hot and cold. It's always been with us and the universe. As of the finite universe, I define it as heat, even the 3.7k of deep space. As of 1. through 12. all heat must decay from the universe, when all other motions decay, but this leaves us with only one entity that does not decay___cold___it increases with decay___the only thing that increases, with all of total finite decay. So what is this magic element? What are its powers?

Of all the tools at absolute fundamental sub-quantum linear substance's disposal, to rebuild another universe___what has the power to do such a thing? The sub-quantum theory of universal evolution___cold___the prime mover! Just as cold, i.e., temperature, i.e., thermodynamics, freezes water and creates massive energy potential with ice, the opposite thermodynamic force, heat, boils water into steam and creates massive energy potential, thermodynamics' hydrodynamics is our mystery universe builder___the only prime self-mover of all decay options. It's powers only increase as we exaggerate its 0k temperature, at the tG^tG years and temperature point of 0k^-tG degrees___the absolute prime mover of sub-quantum absolute linear substance!

Regards,
Lloyd

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Wisest Form of Science is to First Know what is NOT POSSIBLE to KNOW…!!!

There exists only one force__of all forces__Thermo-Hydro-Dynamics...

Gravity and mass are simply results of megnetohydrodynamics__of the eternal thermo-hydro-dynamics...

You all search too hard__for the simplicity...

Meaning has only isomorphic meaning__in the ground state of one...

One is infinitely-infinitesimally mapped onto and into itself...

Plausibility And Implausibility…

Deductions’ Induction Dependence…

Deduction Is Founded On Fundamental 1st Induction…

One(1) In The Absolute Is False…

Math Is Naming and Meaning Dependent…

The Degree of Reducibility…

Deductions from prior inductions prove nothing without 1st proving initial inductions…

Naked Deduction Theory…

Postive Induction Theory…

Inter-Dependent Dis-Advantage…

Independent Advantage…

Naming, Meaning and Knowing__Metaphysical Necessity…

Naming, Meaning, Knowing and Cognition = Metaphysical Necessity…

The Trouble With Science__'Creationism'__The Final Result of Absolute Deductionism/Reductionism... I think I'll stay with Inductionism, and it's best possible Bose-Einstein plasma formation mechanics__The Magnetohydrodynamics of a Real Universe...

Conceptual Relativity vs. Correspondence Theory__Whole vs. Parts…
Metaphysical Realism Is Required For Wholistic Mereology…
(TM*) Necessarily, in all possible worlds where <p> is true, there exists something α that makes <p> true.
Truthmaker Maximalism – every truth has a truthmaker – and Truthmaker Necessitarianism – truthmakers necessitate their truths.
If p is true, then p has a truthmaker.
Conceptual Relativity__Optional Language…
The world is already a moral construction…


Deontic logic faces Jørgensen's Dilemma.[4]Norms cannot be true or false, but truth and truth values seem essential to logic. There are two possible answers:

• Deontic logic handles norm propositions, not norms;
• There might be alternative concepts to truth, e.g. validity or success, as it is defined in speech act theory.

One of a logic's principal concerns is logical validity. It seems that arguments with imperatives can be valid. Consider:

• P1. Take all the books off the table!
• P2. Foundations of Arithmetic is on the table.
• C1. Therefore, take Foundations of Arithmetic off the table!

[Graybeard]

The Wisest Form of Science is to First Know what is NOT POSSIBLE to KNOW…!!!

Howzit goin bigfella .... ?? Long time no speakeasy ?

Howzit possible to 'know' wot its not possible to 'know'.

And if we could 'know' everything that is not possible to 'know' ... then all we would have to do is accept the exact opposite and we would 'know' everything .... at least everything that is possible to 'know'

And this is the wisdom of Science ?

You all search too hard__for the simplicity...

Can you blame us after the above statement ?


THE TROUBLE WITH GERANIUMS

The trouble with geraniums
is that they’re much too red!
The trouble with my toast is that
it’s far too full of bread.

The trouble with a diamond
is that it’s much too bright.
The same applies to fish and stars
and the electric light.

The troubles with the stars I see
lies in the way they fly.
The trouble with myself is all
self-centred in the eye.

The trouble with my looking-glass
is that it shows me, me;
there’s trouble in all sorts of things
where it should never be.

Merry Xmas Lloyd .....

cool bananas ... greg

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Howzit possible to 'know' wot its not possible to 'know'.

And if we could 'know' everything that is not possible to 'know' ... then all we would have to do is accept the exact opposite and we would 'know' everything .... at least everything that is possible to 'know'

And this is the wisdom of Science ?

The Trouble With Science__'Creationism'__The Final Result of Absolute Deductionism/Reductionism... I think I'll stay with Inductionism/Abductionism, and it's best possible Bose-Einstein plasma formation mechanics__The Magnetohydrodynamics of a Real Universe...

The most important piece of information a Ph.D. student receives from his sponsoring professor is__"You must learn what is, what can be, and what can not be known, first__in order to add to the book of knowledge..." Good Ph.D. professors will not grant a Ph.D. unless their graduate student does add something entirely new, to the existing book of knowledge... How would he add something new, unless he'd already learned what is, can be, and can't be known...???

Greg, how many stars are in the Universe__Exactly...??? Are there an even or odd number...???

Knowledge is more about eliminating the stupid ideas__Front and foremost...

Get it...???

Merry Xmas Greg...

"You must know, in order for truth to be, you must become the truth-maker..."

[Graybeard]

Greg, how many stars are in the Universe__Exactly...??? Are there an even or odd number...???

The total number is never static long enough to be determined accurately. The trouble is, each time there is a new moon, they cut the old one up and distribute it as stars. While this is environmentally friendly and approved by the Greens and Tree Huggers ... it makes it difficult to count.

When you add the other complexities, such as eternal motion, cosmic horizons, how many new stars are being made from Super Novas, how many stars are hidden behind the overcast Nebulae Clouds, etc ...... it becomes overwhelming.

However, for you Lloyd, I did a quick and accurate count. ((3 x (10^ 22)) + 7). Give or take an asteroid or two.

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

300 sextillion is the latest count, an even number.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Absolutely Necessary Combinatoric Cycloidic Plasma Physics...

“You must know, in order for truth to be, you must become the truth-maker...”
“Nature moves in cycloids__not vectoids…”

Truth Maker Necessity__The Necessity of Substantiality…

The Complexity of Photon Mechanics__Cycloidic Scalar Waves…

The Algorithm of Combinatoric Necessity…

The Absolutely Necessary Cycloidic Mechanics…

Convert Vector Mechanics to Cycloidic and Toroidic Mechanics…

Cycloidic Complexity Mechanics__#69, #96, #33, #39, #93, #36, #63, #93, #66, #99, #333, #666, #999…

Cycloidic Mechanics’ Slip-Clutched, Geared Scalar Fractal Waves…

Absolute Combinatoric Cycloidics, Toroidics and Orthogonics…

The Combinatoric Cycloidics of Nuclear Fusion and Fission Physics…

The Internal Polarity of Photons…???

I enjoy complexity__How do sexual energies actually transfer between partners...??? Tantric Sex...???

Too many lock themselves into the c-frame vision__Let loose__Ride the absolute c-horse__and all becomes clear... Saddle-up__Strontium, the High-Rad-Drifter, and caesium 137, his faithful horse, await the fun...

Absolute c never exceeds c,__It don't need to__It's the engine of the entire Universe... c powers c by its natural mechanics of near instantaneous internal fusion and fission__All secretive mechanical power is locked inside__The EM-Santa-Engine...

Simple does not build the truth maker logic the world needs at present__Talking about ancient love and wisdom don't fix the resource and money systems...

Is CODATA enough to do proper science...??? __ http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/RevModPhys_80_000633acc.pdf

Limits go in two directions__Infinitesimal to Infinite... n^-∞ and n^∞

Does Nature have a limit...??? Does the Universe have a limit...??? We can't know...!!! We only have limit conjectures...!!!

The impossibility of total math, total nature and total physics__A ToE Is Impossible...

There's a huge difference between math's unlimited possibilities, man's necessary conjectured limits for science, and nature's and physics' true potentials...

Absolute everything, means absolutely no meaning possible__What-so-ever...!!! Therefore, a false fiction...!!!

In Peirce's real work on probability logics, he never used the bean cases, except to show where such logical deductions were inadequate. He used real and larger distribution case logics, as per Huygens' and Jevons' probabilities, and Gauss least squares maths...

Absolute nothing, means absolutely no meaning possible__What-so-ever...!!! Therefore, a false fiction...!!!

Many leaves need burning in both inductions and deductions__When abduction is the rake...

Abduction__ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_(logic) __ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_reasoning

When you think you have all the deductions figured out__go back in and grab all the inductions, and run them against the deductions again, or vice versa__This is abduction...

Abduction guards and enhances both induction and deduction...

I can only know what I know__But, what I know I do not know, is far more important__than what I do know__to know...

No__thought and emotion are not one and the same beast__Emotion is synthetic and thought is analytic__or feelings and rationality...

One is not one__It is many, and the one of many ones...

The Universe has no binary language__It's combinatoric, and produces the binary sub-charges...

There exists absolutely no 'the absolute'__There exist only absolute descriptions of things, objects or whatever...

Absolute t=0 is just more Zeno school insanity and inanity...

The aether's never been any other way__than the way it is...

Philosophers, mathematicians and logicians have known for millennia, contradictions create bad rhetoric__but, never good truth...

0/0=n Is the height of Eleatic inanity__It was proven inane over 2500 years ago, and thousands of times since... Minds wishing to wander this lost path, will find nothing but pure inanity...

Absolute Time Is Independent of All Knowing Systems__Beyond The Human Mind's Ability To Lasso...

'Time Beginners' Fear The Truth__“The World Is Large, Random and Uncaring.” Newt Gingrich… Background Dependency Ain't The Way...

'Time Beginners' Are 'Creationists' by Necessity of Their Infinitely Regressionary Thought Mechanics...

[labelwench]

__ “The World Is Large, Random and Uncaring.”

Originally posted by Lloyd Gillespie

One could substitute 'universe' for 'world', could they not?

Perhaps I would substitute the word 'impartial' or 'indifferent' for the word 'uncaring', yet substantially the meaning remains the same.

The universe can be no other way than it is, an event needing a place to happen, unable to remain stationary, and so it moves constantly on all fronts.

'Life' is the opportunity, to make of which we are capable and willing.

Wishing for 'divine' or other intervention will not make it so.

That we are capable of better than we have presently achieved, is deduced by historical observation and reflective evaluation.

Will we have the opportunity?

That is entirely up to us.

As you point out, the universe shall continue, and if we 'write ourselves out of the script' we but supply more raw materials for the next successor, of which we are but one of many.

We really need to give our heads a shake and quit thinking we are that incredibly special, just because we are more clever (we assume) than a Bonobo.

[SteveA]

One could substitute 'universe' for 'world', could they not?

Maybe 'world' is 'whirled'?

Though I believe the appearance of cyclic features arises from past knowledge - things that are known are closed/cyclic. Reality isn't precisely closed/cyclic/knowable - life is along the chaotic edge between the formless unknown energy (entropy arising from interactions between multiple/infinite "others" via a singular mechanism/process of time) and a closed/known/"self".



The rotation or curvature of the spiral (sub-light speed components) arise from aspects of self. The specific objects and chaotic positions arise from prime components of resonance between various wavelengths. (For example, if we had a 100Hz tone and a distortion that generated 2nd and 3rd harmonics, we add components at 200 and 300Hz. If we reapplied that same process to these we can create 400Hz and 600Hz and 900Hz components. The entire spectrum of 100Hz*2^n*3^m is generated by such a recursive process, but that doesn't generate 500Hz or 700Hz etc. Such harmonic structure create the appearance of objects with specific components - for example a trumpet and flute "sound different" even playing the same tone because their harmonics are different. If we look at objects in space and consider the spaciotemporal features as constructed by oscillations then similarly, subcomponents of an object, that make it distinct are also generated by harmonics and the relative phase information between these describes their positions)



As an example, if the rings of Saturn were made of a uniform material rotating at a constant velocity (which means a shorter period of rotation for inner components), then no "stripes" would necessarily be present, but the same information can be transformed into a chaotic ring structure containing diverse materials when the spread of frequencies or wavelengths is viewed at a single point and interpreted as resonant. The missing "stripes" in the rings are transformed into wavelengths/frequencies contained by the different materials within the ring instead.

[leskey]

A Perspective of Absolute Perception...

An old early 2007 post, but still of some interest__Bear in mind it's only an exaggerated thought experiment...


(continued...)

From the vantage point of 'omnipotence, 'gravity' is inception: introspective concentration which gives expansive impetus to the empirical potential of all resulting density or substance.

The human being, complete with mediating consciousness symbolizes the cosmic orchestration of the many and various 'densities' of experience within the One.