East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

The West eats itself to death -
whilst others starve.

Death to all; way to go fellow human beings.

ToE

From Moore's, Sicko, they found that the peoples of Central America, and the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, on average, were healthier than the American citizen

Getting the basic message across that we're eating way too much of the wrong sortsa' foods would all at once (when acted upon) solve the diseases of excess (consumption) in the West
- and go quite some way to alleviating the diseases including deaths which arise from chronic poverty.

referencing comments made on MJA's vegetarian thread.

The need to explain why sugar, salt, exorphin and the acid:alkaline balance in food hold a large part of the secret for the diseases of Western living.

We're eating too much of the wrong sortsa' foods -
foods which'd (because of their overly high nutritional value) be far better deployed elsewhere (where they're truly needed).

East meets West logic

Using greed to overcome greed.

Water-tight scientific proof that we're eating ourselves into a life of pain and then guaranteed premature painful death 'd certainly qualify as using the selfish motive (greed) to overcome greed.

[SteveA]

Genesis ?
flood ?

Of course I had just meant that figuratively in that, despite the way the news tends to portray, the average person you tend to bump into in the neighborhood is generally fine.

Also, if people tend to assume the worst of each other and interact that way it tends to be isolating and that tends to reinforce a need for a larger central coordination (sort of divide and conquer - get everyone into a cubicle and then go around with 2 guys and the odds are always 2 to 1 in every cubicle ).

... ... now or in 25600/4 more years.

We've a lunar, solar and galactic central ! cycle.

1 month -> 4 weeks (periods)
12 months -> 4 seasons
25,600 years -> 4 yuga (ages)

The 4 parts of a wave:
......4
1 //3/ \5
\2/


1 - speciation 25-30,000 years ago
4 - written language
5 - now-ish (speciation event)

Question ?
relationship between geomagnetic reversal and chromosomal banding?

GC versus AT chromosomal banding
North versus South planetary geomagnetic tape recorder

It makes sense that geomagnetic reversal rate would correlate with rate of evolution.

However - if we know that the astrological age is 25,600 years in length -
why doesn't the geomagnetic recorder record a pole reversal (magnetic shift) regularly -
every 26k years or so?

From Leskey - the pattern of eversion in other planets in the solar system and of the reduction in ice in the Arctic being balanced by an increase in ice in the Antarctic
and
- the beginning of the book of Genesis (flood myths in multiple religions) alongside Noah's ark -
a tale of evolution
- and questions over the existence of Atlantis?

- really do suggest that we're on the verge of a pole reversal -

- however a model which explains away the irregular timing associated with previous reversals would be useful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9vy_distribution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_distribution



fat tailed + pointy butt -> 'normal' distribution

Turn graph through 90 degrees CW and we have a crouching tiger's behind (blue) obscuring a thin elongated hidden dragon tail (green).

Crouching tiger hidden dragon
The icosahedral vertex which emerges through the centre of a dodecahedral face (its dual).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stable_distribution


..........

leptokurtic (left) --- platykurtic (right)

Suggestion

If we were to imagine reality as a continuous plane -
a brane woven from string and plot the real and imaginary parts which make up the complex structure of all things -
then we'd find that a leptokurtic (icosahedral) component alongside its platykurtic (dodecahedral) dual.

The (real-imaginary) duality (left and right butterfly wings) which perch upon the butterfly's body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_distribution


Suggestion

The Lorentzian attractor ...
... (butterfly) is the structure of all things.

It forms by self-organization.

Self-organization regenerates this basic structure because of its nature as {optimal,most efficient,most stable} geometry.
Resonance is a property of this structure - when formed.

~source~


I really think that he's right.

I haven't dug into any details and normally I tend to be skeptical of these types of predictions, but I admit as you might as seen in one of my last posts that there could be such an extended fractal structure extending through different dimensions of experience or space and through time or memory as well.

In a sense it seems quite likely that these would exist (that would be a very good structure to build everything else upon) and it would match the analogies of a tree structure though I think the branches are effectively folded, overlapping and superimposed in space - space would actually be the equivalent of the "matter" of this tree. There would be no vacuum (and hence why the speed of light could be claimed to be constant in a vacuum - it just so happens we can never detect light in a vacuum! There's also a material conveniently placed at the detection point hehe ... though similarly we could even say that we imagine a series of material relationships exists that intersects at that point - notice that even determining where a satellite is depends upon knowing its relationship to various material objects we can interact with and even something like an uncontrolled rockets position would also be determined by various premeasured material properties and their predictable rules of interaction - the quantity of fuel, the aeurodynamic form of the rock, the gravitational acceleration due to the mass of the Earth etc. All we ever do is measure networks of matter and hypothesize that there could exist a vacuum, but a vacuum is more like a point that's impossible to reach from this network).

For example we could construct a 3-D flying game for the internet and people fly through a space in it, but still the entire image was generated by non-space or in a complimentary sense we could say that all of it was generated within space and that similarly space is a material communication network - a giant multidimensional molecule, with likely the discrete atomic properties arising from resonance within 1 dimension of time (and I think "time" in this sense is defined by conscious qualities of experience).

[SB_UK]

... ...and wondering if there is anything that I can report back to those who simply know me as myself.

If you were to ask people if they thought they were doing the 'right' thing?
(and not elaborate)
- they might look at you blankly and reply 'dunno!'.

However what if you could then tell them that you were going to give them the secret to working out (for themselves)
- for themselves to work out for themselves what the 'right' thing was.

(where implicit in doing the 'right' thing is a guarantee that the person doing the 'right' thing -
- will be as happy as (he) is of humanly possible).

~*~

I think that that'd be all that was necessary -
- at least in the first instance
to pique curiosity.

[SB_UK]

I think that the simple version of it is it basically to "reach inside" and see what life should be and then bring that out ... ...

- that's it -

empowering the individual with a mechanism which they may use to delve deep within themselves
and
emerge
- with a deep-seated understanding of how to smile.

Life might be good - could be better -
- would be nice to be best.

... ... and recognize that nature isn't just something out there imposing itself upon us but a dynamic exchange - nature learns from us too.

This has important implications for what we choose (as a species) to do.

Been thinking about whether we can define domains which are open to (and others which are off limits from) human intervention -
off limits because of the consequences of any such actions having unpredictable consequences.

The idea (as far as I have it down currently) is that we're free to mix highest level emergent properties (for instance cook with different flavours) or perform as we choose on the higher (than matter) informational realm
- however, that we should avoid trying to manipulate (engineer) the template from which the structure (highest level emergent property) arises.

As an example:

Genetic Manipulation off limits.
Classical plant breeding not so.

All just a suggestion -
- a suggestion borne out through the unpredictability of consequence of human intervention in manipulating a fully formed (complete) structure.

The idea (above) isn't fully formed -
- arises though as a direct consequence of exactly this

- nature learns from us too.

concern.

To define the realm within which we're free to do as we please.

[labelwench]

If you were to ask people if they thought they were doing the 'right' thing?
(and not elaborate)
- they might look at you blankly and reply 'dunno!'.

However what if you could then tell them that you were going to give them the secret to working out (for themselves)
- for themselves to work out for themselves what the 'right' thing was.

(where implicit in doing the 'right' thing is a guarantee that the person doing the 'right' thing -
- will be as happy as (he) is of humanly possible).

~*~

I think that that'd be all that was necessary -
- at least in the first instance
to pique curiosity.

My journey, to date, has been generally to travel the fringes, seeking a middle way.
Though I do not intend to lead, others have a tendency to follow, if they perceive that my path has merit.
Each is responsible for their own choices, yet knowing that some may act on my choices is a responsibility that I am aware of, and as such, has a tempering effect on my nature.

As I do not profess to 'know beyond doubt', what is correct for myself, I would not be so bold or foolish as to advise others.

I have noted, of late, that when friends and neighbours enquire as to my activities, they listen respectfully to my reply.

However, by their look and body language, I know that I am on this particular journey alone.

Though my words be easy to understand, they cannot fathom my current way....

I am no stranger to travelling alone, even when surrounded by people....it's okay....

[SB_UK]

anna, your no scout .. you are more like a charm in this site with all you post ... sage

'Yes Graham'

The message Sage has entered is too short for he is a man of few words, unable to lengthen his message to at least 10 characters.

[labelwench]

Originally Posted by Sage
'Yes Graham'

The message Sage has entered is too short for he is a man of few words, unable to lengthen his message to at least 10 characters.
Originally posted by SB__UK

Surely quotation marks count, thus the message is comprised of 11 characters.

And that's not counting the one who did the posting, lol.

Later....

LW

(Identity crisis? Never! I just go with whatever personality manifests at the time...)

[SB_UK]

As I do not profess to 'know beyond doubt', what is correct for myself, I would not be so bold or foolish as to advise others.

Not so much handing over a road-map to happiness as explaining how to scratch an itch which they become aware (on hearing this story) -
- which they become aware (on hearing this story) - has been driving them insane.

Ahhh!

the voice of Morpheus at the start of the first Matrix movie which is speaking to Neo and which explains that 'you know something isn't quite right - but have been unable ... ...'

- the movie then goes onto feature Neo waking into reality more rrreal.

Not fundamental - we're locked out of 'fundamental' -
the other direction though
(evolution is unidirectional) -
unconstrained.

[SB_UK]

Surely quotation marks count, thus the message is comprised of 11 characters.
And that's not counting the one who did the posting, lol.
Later....
LW
(Identity crisis? Never! I just go with whatever personality manifests at the time...)

'Quote' space is invisible to the dark Count.

muahahahahaaa!

[SB_UK]

Not fundamental - we're locked out of 'fundamental' -
the other direction though
(evolution is unidirectional) -
unconstrained.

grrr! (he's at it again)

==

I apologize if my comment was an interruption, but I'm rather certain that no matter which way you go, past the boundaries of the physical universe to convoluted universes of possibilites beyond and farther out and beyond the realm of communication and past that of certainty and further past that to the realms of intuition and even that of sole incomprehensible experience, there's still a realm beyond that and it simply cannot be touched in any way except for the fact that it constructed all of the rest and it has immersed our experiences since the beginning and if there was anything to ever love or place ones trust it that is it. It has done nothing else the entire time and it has given us everything. (I think the pay back is simply to accept the gift and make the best use of it).