East Meets West Logic...

[SteveA]

Now Steve, since you're a big boy, I'll take you to task for your conflationist illusions. Truth is simply, the evolution of truth, to the objective of truth -> Goal -> The Admirable, The Good, The True, The Beautiful, The Aesthetic, The Esthetic, and the unification of it all... Conflation and confusion will not unify__Only clarity unifies, so unify the real, instead of the super-ficial illusions...

Yes, those are the only truths worth keeping Nicely said.

We're not seeing DNA because we're made from it but because it's something beautiful and worth keeping around

[PoPpAScience]

p.s.
I think a new sub-quantum metaphysics logic language can be developed to unite spirit and science___It only takes the will...
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I agree totally with your statement here Lloyd.

Question Lloyd. Have you ever read books on eastern thought, and if so which ones? Because some of the books I have read on eastern studies see consciousness as an intrical part of the sub-quantum realm. In fact they say this is where thoughts arise from.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I studied Eastern thought for 10 yrs. back in the seventies, and read hundreds of books, and also many western philosophers, scientists and thinkers studied Eastern thought, and were enriched by it. I've never been against Eastern thought or metaphysics, except keeping the science separated from the metaphysics for clarity's sake. Even Schrodinger and Feynman were both major eastern thinkers, as well as great scientists. C.S.Peirce was both america's greatest scientist and philosopher, and studied Eastern thought. R.W.Emerson was personal friends of the entire family, on and on almost forever...

Also many western scientific studies are of the mind's quantum thought processes. Check out August Stern's conformal geometric matrix algebra of mind, or Lefebvre, from Russia on "The Algebra of Conscience", and many, many more. Even the U.S. Military is heavily studying all these ideas, as this drawing from Sandia Labs shows: Link and this one by Lefebvre: Link

I agree totally with your statement here Lloyd.

Question Lloyd. Have you ever read books on eastern thought, and if so which ones? Because some of the books I have read on eastern studies see consciousness as an intrical part of the sub-quantum realm. In fact they say this is where thoughts arise from.

[MJA]

Hi LIoyd Gillespie and MJA for your interest in Absolute Logic (equator of self-contradiction) : the eternal oneness of pair and self-creator of All in all (Cosmos).
The discovery of Absolute Logic as the equator of Spacetime has long gone beyond rhetorical logic to Natural logic, as in the physical sciences.

I see MJA, very much in resonance with the universality of Absolute Logic as the equator of Spacetime.
Absolute Logic has gone beyond human words to several independent experimental confirmations.

As shadows are shortest
at noon,
words are fewest
when baring truth. -Aiya-Oba
http://www.groups.google.com/group/s...b24952df4.html

Hi Aiya-Oba,

As it truly takes One to know One, or truth to know truth, I see true Oneness in you. Oneness = nature's single truth.

=
MJA

PS: Thanks for the good work Lloyd, it's been good to read!

[SB_UK]

I think a new sub-quantum metaphysics logic language can be developed to unite spirit and science___It only takes the will...

I agree totally with your statement here Lloyd.

- that's it

- unification of physics with philosophy
(and a really really really big deal)

- the line itself (below) is mind representing the communicating surface between structures which 'bud' offa' ... ...


Explanation

The tree (for instance) is made up of multiple layers - our mind does not however live within those layers -
- the mind 'lives' in the intercommunicating layer between trees ... ...

- external reality is the integral of mass to sub-quantum level
[the tree itself could not be a tree without quarks and squarks and farkons ~etc~]

- internal reality is the integral of only the uppermost layer of these structures [integral of the highest emergent property of structures generated in external reality].

Internal reality is the experience at the cumulative sum total of highest emergent properties in all emergent structures at any one point in time.

We run between trees -
- not between the interface between its quarks and tweezons.

This general argument (to be developed) gives us mind as the line from which folds (-> complexity) subsequently occur (are made).


- consciousness == the line in dark green == the sub-quantum/quantum interface
- the intercommunicating layer.

That's why we're built over 'recognition' -
- the wonderfully satisfying nature (as we develop) in acquiring a visual or aural electronic device which operates at ever increasing (resolution,granularities,quality) -

East meets West

- in the metaphysics of quality.

MoQ Robert Pirsig
'well ... ... it is hard (I grant you) though I have heard that he has awful taste in bathroom appliances ... ...
... ... and so there you go
.
.
.
s.a.t.i.s.f.i.e.d. ???'

The dark green line is metaphysics == the stuff of philosophy (of mind).

The snapshot
(if it could be taken - though which cannot)
- at any one point in time is the present -
the wave collapsed on a structure (and frozen for this illustration)
- though which can't (in reality) be frozen
- 'there's always change'

the wave collapsed on a structure (and frozen for this illustration)
- the outline of which represents mind.

Mind - the orthogonally arrayed metalevel perspective on the continuity of external reality -
- mind as the actual continuity of all of reality.

Lloud Gillespie's

one~creator == one~substrate == one~mind plays out.

~*~

the line in dark green (above)
==
consciousness
==
the sub-quantum/quantum interface
==
the intercommunicating layer
==
metaphysics
==
the stuff of philosophy
==
mind [orthogonal to our physical form]
==
the orthogonally arrayed metalevel perspective on the continuity of external reality
==
the actual (continuously extending) continuity (which binds) of all of reality.



reference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_snowflake

... ... simple, I'm simple I tell ya'

ToE
... ... butterflies, snowflakes and magnets is allz.

... ... simpler!!!, I'm simpler than that

uhhhh! reluctantly

one truth

... ... simplify!!!, I'm a veritable duh! brained imbecile, don't you know?

one (suffices)

->- Bottomlander
he's a right one,alright.

[SB_UK]

internal realitreality
internal reality/ |
external reality/ | \internal reality

internal realitreality [metaphysics,consciousness]
internal reality/ |
.........physics/ | \philosophy

internal realitreality [ain't no pertty wiyout d'ugger]
internal reality/ |
........geometry/ | \logic



conclusion
Logic and Geometry are two perfect halves of an indivisible whole

Logic and Geometry

[melanie]

I've never been against Eastern thought or metaphysics, except keeping the science separated from the metaphysics for clarity's sake.

Lloyd, I know you are a big boy, and that you are very well educated in many fields.
So, for some simpleton like me to come along and switch context around a little bit, must be quite irritating i'm sure.

But what i'm trying to describe in my postings
is that we can simply see clarity without ever having to ''Think'' .... and that 'Thinking' blocks the view.

Have you ever considered clarity from that perspective?
Clarity is not found in literature, books, or through academical learning, these are tools and maps only.
The map is not the territory.


Metaphysics teaches Clarity

Clarity IS this already self-evident self-shining luminous display of Is-ness right now...(CONSCIOUSNESS)

How come you dismiss me from your classroom, and yet you praise and commend other posters for their views.?
when all i am saying is the same stuff, just differently, or is it because in my posts i am always eliminating the 'I' from the equation.

Is that why?

The ego hates to think it is redundant, but once it grasps the real truth of it's existence, pure unclouded clarity(LIGHT) is all that remain.

What do we need science for ?

Don't struggle to get past the horizon .. because there is nothing there that is not already here now.
And always has been herenow..It's not going anywhere.It's here for ever.

Science may well improve our lives for the better....but define 'better' ?

Is not nature already equipped with that tool for life.? (ordinary functional senses)(intuition)

Why do we need to keep ourselves alive longer,have more pleasures, easy life-styles, and all at the expense of the ONE that already sustains us?

Why the hurry to evolve, there is nowhere to go...that's all i'm trying to say.

And suppose we do get where we think we want to go, what next?
How far is nowhere?

When we are at one with the oneness of reality, when we are really in-tune with it, we see clarity without having to think about it.
But when we are out of sync, or un-alighned with the natural flow of our true nature
we become un- balanced, we get sick, and not just people but the earth that sustains us too.

SHE is the ONE who is waiting for her children to be gentle with her...when we are suffering, she is suffering more.

[melanie]

Now Steve, since you're a big boy, I'll take you to task for your conflationist illusions. Truth is simply, the evolution of truth, to the objective of truth -> Goal -> The Admirable, The Good, The True, The Beautiful, The Aesthetic, The Esthetic, and the unification of it all... Conflation and confusion will not unify__Only clarity unifies, so unify the real, instead of the super-ficial illusions...



Your last statement Steve belongs in the sun with the mice ya keep insisting are living there, in their giant cheese ball...

But only the confused are confused Lloyd.

''so unify the real'' get real Lloyd, the real is an illusion, that's what you don't seem to understand.

Although your statement about the giant cheese ball is more accurately put imho

And to complement that statement here is a poem for your enjoyment.

Parting, a metaphorical analogy of the non-existent ego.


______
Parting

Green mountains rise to the north;
white water rolls past the eastern city.

Once it has been uprooted,
the tumbleweed travels forever.

Drifting clouds like a wanderer's mind;
sunset, like the heart of your old friend.

We turn, pause, look back and wave,
Even our ponies look back and whine.

Li Po (China 1701-1762)



Happy dreams Lloyd.

[SB_UK]

~

I understand.

The end of knowledge on end-point duality between the fully-formed duals of logic and geometry binding to one another.

The end of knowledge -
philosophy - the love of wisdom [the route to wisdom]

Philosophy is a means to an end, to an end or end-point.

Once the mind is explained away -
the next stage (metaphysics) -
would involve communication between minds.

The communication between minds (as a higher level structure than our physical forms) -
- would not be able to occur in the physical realm (talking using our vocal cords)

and

will need to occur on that dark green line (from the post above) -
- on the communicating line which unifies reality.

This is the communicating layer which explains away Einstein's 'spooky action at a distance'
and
gives us thought altering the shared mind instantaneously.

Thought changes the structure of the dark green line (from the post above) -
- changes the structure of the line immediately -

- instantaneously alters the common shared mind from which all people 'think'
- the structures which bud off the line though differ from changes which occur in the line itself -
- because they're restricted to the speed of light.

The dark green line is constructed from a matrix of Planck length standing waves in a matrix
--- where ---
The speed of light representing the speed at which spheres revolve
- the spheres representing
the Planck length standing wave.

Evolution results in ever increasing circles formed
- in the shape of an ever increasing conical shape
formed from a spiral backbone ... ...

Evolution results in synchrony in inner concentric layers leading to (conical,spiral) divergence in the followng manner

..../\

->-

..../\
.../..\

->-

..../\
.../..\
../....\

==



- where there's a self-imposed ~by definition~ restriction in the synchronization events -
(the jump from layer to higher level) ... ...

- where there's a self-imposed ~by definition~ restriction
to c (the speed of light).

~*~

Our structured reality (physical) (Universe of action) is restricted by the speed of light -
- its substrate

- whereas the substrate itself
(from which our physical Universe is seeded)
- is a real time construct
(only exists in real time)
- changes occur in real time

- there is only a present
- a fixed time (the present) (the now)

reference Melanie

- where that *now* may only be realised when vedanta (the end of knowledge)

- end representing the completion of duality (unity) from fully-formed duals

/|\ ->- /|\

- the mind is stilled (at duality between Lloyd and Gillespie)

- when we're all wholesome Lloyd Gillespies

Evolution is taking us towards a state of rest -
a state where only Lloyd Gillespie ... ... ...
(metaphorically).

And Lloyd Gillespies did inherit the earth.

shoop shoop

[SB_UK]

SteveMelanie
SteveA/ |
SteveA/ | \ LLoyd Gillespie

Now that is an impressive undertaking.

reference
RDF:Undercover Elephant's reworking of 'non-overlapping magisteria'

Under cover Andrew Huxley

proper pproper religion -> instantaneous telepathic transfer between minds
proper physics/ |
proper physics/ | \ proper philosophy

... ... ... not the nonsense religion, physics and philosophy which we have at present -

the nonsense religion, physics and philosophy are tainted by ignorant parochialism, xenophobia, bigotry, savagery
- by original sin

the nonsense separates the system into incompatible parts,
explaining why
all that matters is killing the savage within
[original sin] -
- a state of mind which thereafter occurs
- state of global mind
from which global unity is crystallization sewn.

original sin
- an inescapable evolutionary legacy attribute which does rather confound humanity
until
overcome.



physical death not a requirement
- proper common sense is all.