East Meets West Logic...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Just a re-post, but a very valuable one, I would say...rrr
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Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba
Thanks Gillespie, for your understanding.
Nuclear logic; equator of self-contradiction, is the absolute logic.
-Aiya-Oba.

Equator of self-contradiction is absolute logic. It is above contradictions, just as light though equator of positive and negative charge, is infinitely above their level of self-contradiction.Equator of self-contradiction is the absolute logic of highest awareness about the true nature of the Universe.Lets not fail to realize, that humanity is just now at the dawn of the 3rd. Millennium. The greatest hours of human understanding about the Universe, are still ahead of us.



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Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie
Aiya-Oba, you are a true genius. Do you realize you have discovered "The absolute universal logic law of truth discovery"? This would mean that absolute logic is the truth ascertained by the total evidence of self-contradictions___the total evidence of cross-examinations. The metaphysical contradicts the physical, so the law of truth discovery equates to the evidentiary equilibrium of total self-contradictions. Absolute logic is the equator of all the infinite self-contradictions. I think your wisdom logic generator law will allow us to see the absolute physics of metaphysics, and offers the key to unlocking the TOE. Others, of course, and maybe even you, will interpret this differently, but the absolute logic of self-contradictions' evidence will equilibriate all valid truths. I sincerely thank you for your valiant efforts toward solving this TOE. Let all the contradictions be placed in one thread, to ascertain the absolute evidentiary evidence of facts. This should be done one contradiction at a time not to be confusing. Let us all find the self-evident absolute truths of all the self-contradictions...rrr

Regards,
Lloyd

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Just a re-post, but a very valuable one, I would say...rrr

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Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba
Metaphysics is immaterial physics.Physics is unknowable without metaphysics,because knowledge is impossible without Principle (information): the immaterial Equator of matter and energy.Physics and Metaphysics are equal, but inverse nature of the same reality of Spacetime.
-Aiya-Oba.

Hi Aiya-Oba, can you absolutely and truthfully know whether metaphysics is immaterial or physical? Here is where spiritual and scientific differences of interpretations begins. Even back to the Upanashads' theory of the initial atom, some believed and insisted it was athereal, while others thought and insisted it was physical... I would have to disagree with you, as have many throughout history, as I see information as material substance, at its finest and thinnest existance, otherwise one is forced to the position of the ethereal state of the known impossible nothing. Most of both sides agree the existence of nothing is impossible, so that only leaves spirit as something of substance. Call it a very mysterious substance, if you will, it still is required to be substance, if it exists___real physical substance. It may seem strange to your interpretations, but the only alternative left, is something from nothing. I don't think anyone sane believes that. Just as the ancients stated, "Nothing can be created from, or by, nothing." So, divide the substance of the physical mind to infinity, if you will, and it's still a part of the initial physical spirit substance___now ain't it?

I think it's all a matter of perspective of deffinitions, and the possibilities of the realities of these semantical deffinitions, perspective, ideas. I think we're all arguing over nothing but semantics of deffinitions, which the ancients also covered___but few listened. It's also been covered hundreds of times and eras since___and still, few listen. And yet, when society tries to set semantical rules, they produce more paradoxes, than the problems they set out to solve. So it seems, we are all sent to the paths of evolving truths, in open forums, and we'll all see what falls out...

I think if we put your law of truth discovery, Truth is the equator of self-contradictions, with my law of absolute logic, The highest probability of the highest possibility, is the only possibility; We may be able to answer all questions put to the combination of these two laws. Until then, we'll all just continue butting heads...

"The instant one steps beyond physical description, one is talking about the impossible nothing" me

"When one stops doing metamathematics on real physical substance, one discovers the truth" me

"Our agruments are between the spectral and empirical evidences. There's a physical boundary line between spectral and empirical evidences." me

"When reality leaves the realm of physical possibilities, it enters the realm of meta-impossibilities." me

"Knowledge/wisdom, to me, is a physical attribute of the mind's brain state, of purely physical essence." me

I'm sorry, but I believe the only way to understand and unite the two major sides of reality, are through the physical evidence, and the spectral evidence spirit, realized as the truly thinned density spirit, of the true fundamental physical substance...

I think we all have much work to do, at the true sub-quantum level, to have our differences meet...rrr

Respectful regards,
Lloyd
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[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Magic Demon of Self-Interpretations à Isomorphic Geometric Mapping vs. The Ego…?

Is it possible to know anything without geometry…? No…!!! Why…???

The innate geometry of mind must map All information to perception, conception, cognition, understanding and or memory, from the outside world__First…

Is it possible to know anything about self, I and or ego__Without outside information__First…???

It first matters what one defines as outside. If one defines outside as outside of body__Then it is not possible to know about self, I and or ego__But with outside information__First… If one defines outside as outside of direct and indirect perception__then it is possible to know about self, I and or ego__Without outside information__First__But the only information knowable will be of perception’s geometric and dimensionalizing tools of agency__Only…!!! This means one’s ability to only know the agent tools functions, yet with no content__As all initial content is required to come from outside perception, conception, cognition, understanding and or memory__Always…!!!

Why can’t the mind, intuition, creativity, imagination, memory, spirit or any other possible innate agent produce information and or knowing knowledge…?

The mind/brain is a mere simple tool/agent of greater bio-nature and geo-spheres__And functions only in conjunction with greater bio-nature, and the geo-spheres. It contains no material to process__Until bio-nature/fields and the geo-spheres/fields have isomorphically mapped its information into mind, soul, brain, spirit, perception, conception, cognition, intuition, creativity, understanding and or memory, etc.__Always…!!!

Why can’t spirit do all the above…?

What is spirit but the geo-sphere’s fields, and the bio-sphere’s fields…??? Answer__Nothing else but…!!! Nothing else is known to exist…!!! Otherwise, one is just plain and simply stumbling around in the ‘Magic Demon of Self-Interpretations of Pure Egoism’. Only the necessary understanding of Nature’s Isomorphic Geometric Mapping of Innate Information__From the outside geo- and bio-spheres__Into Oneself__Prevents the false mistakes of Egoism…!!!rrr

P.s.
All true ground visions are isomorphic geometric visions__All honest communication is seen and spoken from these ground visions...rrr

[SB_UK]

Only the necessary understanding of Nature’s Isomorphic Geometric Mapping of Innate Information__From the outside geo- and bio-spheres__Into Oneself__Prevents the false mistakes of Egoism…!!!rrr

ToE gives us wings ???

~*~

The problem with {economics,capitalism,money}
- if we'd an absolute guarantee that no individual had any information of remotely any interest to any other person -
would we care if someone had come up with the perfect method for constructing an Internet?

Perhaps globalism (driven by private corporation) is going to be identified as a mechanism for something really quite different -
- something really quite different which will be seen to have nothing to do with the rise of the corporation
- something really quite different which will lead us to not particularly want to engage in trade (at least in physical goods) when the true agenda of globali$ation is realised.

(Realised (context) here - made real as opposed to 'exposed').

I guess I'm trying to suggest that until we (the species) decide what it is we're allowed (without detriment to others) to engage in - in order to 'float our boat' (neural stimulation)
- developing as efficient an (economic) system to enable people to 'float their boats' isn't necessary and'll potentially result in wholly unsatisfactory outcomes as people elect to engage in (for whatever reason (including ignorance)) damaging activities.

The general suggestion that I'm making here is that our economic approach is going to need to be based around the effect of the traded commodity on {people,communities, the species, all species,the environment}.

So - to stop behaviours which're 'bad' - where (for the most part) - the only 'bad' behaviours which people knowingly practice (knowing that they're bad) are going to prove to be a variation on addiction (see previous post).

Not being able to help oneself, the neuro- deadening effects of life in this - our dollar-centric society driving people to 'self-harm' whilst others play with words.

Noam Chomsky.
Gnome Chompsky

- a heroic name, his parents chose well.


~entitled~
'verb Gnome Chompsky'

[Lloyd Gillespie]

ToE gives us wings ???

~entitled~
'verb Gnome Chompsky'

The Gnome studied Charles Sanders Peirce__Extensively__But understood him incompletely...

Keynes studied Charles Sanders Peirce__Extensively__And understood him completely...rrr

[Graybeard]

Hi SB ... What was the name of Q's son ??


greg

[Graybeard]

Forget it ... thanks ... I'm a dumbo, I just worked it out ... their all Q ... lol

cool bananas ... greg

[SB_UK]

How do we stop people doing 'bad' things especially in the absence of knowing whether they're bad or not?

This question can be answered
- and (I think) in the process delivers a society in which people are free to be as greedy as they wish
- and to plunder as they will from their neighbour

- their neighbour not particularly minding
because they enjoy producing the items which're being plundered

- their neighbour not particularly minding
because in idle moments away from generating the plundersome
- they're plundering themselves.

[Graybeard]

How do we stop people doing 'bad' things especially in the absence of knowing whether they're bad or not?

This question can be answered
- and (I think) in the process delivers a society in which people are free to be as greedy as they wish
- and to plunder as they will
from their neighbour

- their neighbour not particularly minding
because they enjoy producing the items which're being plundered

- their neighbour not particularly minding
- because in idle moments away from generating rhe plundersome
- they're plundering themselves.

In an odd way .... This is capitalism .... and its successful for the very reasons you state. If everybody plunders, then it works ... because everybody adapts.

That is why I think we would be more successful controlling the buy price (the production cost) rather than controlling the sell price (retail)

cool bananas ... greg

[Lloyd Gillespie]

ToE gives us wings...!!!

There... Now, you're on the right track. The object is always the old simple statement; "Fight fire with fire." Computerized money and trade systems can create the inversity of the greed/plunder function, by laws geared to the 'eversion' of plunder, greed and corruption...

How does one "Fight fire with fire...?" Light a backfire... How does one "Fight money with money...?" Create a money backfire... "Add money to money...", but use 'eversion/inversion' law to prevent it from burning in hyper-inflation...

Computerize the greed function__Use 'everse' law and money, to intelligently plunder greed...rrr

How do we stop people doing 'bad' things especially in the absence of knowing whether they're bad or not?

This question can be answered
- and (I think) in the process delivers a society in which people are free to be as greedy as they wish
- and to plunder as they will from their neighbour

- their neighbour not particularly minding
because they enjoy producing the items which're being plundered

- their neighbour not particularly minding
because in idle moments away from generating the plundersome
- they're plundering themselves.