East Meets West Logic...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

It is observed that most people are going to grieve (emotion) the loss of a loved one.

Is the response of grief, then, non-logic, in your mind?

In my case I'd have to state it's both. Though the non-logical is the overwhelming feeling, my wife taught me long ago to relax the body, and the non-logical emotions would be controllable. It's a valuable lesson of how the body can actually control even this level of grief and distress. It helped at both my mother's and father's deaths. And later, one must always choose logical emotions to return to normal sanity...

Our society is seemingly quite polarized in it's view of the appropriate measure of logic and emotion.

Yes, this is certainly quite a problem. I may seem overly logical, but my main base of mental operations is emotional, because most of socienty relates emotionally more than logically, especially the campground atmosphere I'm just about always in, so I'm quite comfortable with all the emotional states, but I do prefer a logical person break, once in a while. As a matter of fact, when it does happen, only about once a year, it's quite enjoyable, but I also enjoy the emotional and sexual intellectual kidding levels, quite a bit, as my wife's almost always on these levels...

Persons who are too emotional, and conversely too logical, are equally shunned, as either state is uncomfortable for most.

Yes, but at times I prefer to be alone and logical, as I've always spent long hermit periods, in my life. I can be totally alone, even in a crowded campground, and be quite comfortable, and then change my flow at will, to be extremely outgoing__People just respond to whichever mood I choose, as I have the ability to be extremely friendly and likable, by all ages and types of personalities__when I choose so...

Most men are less fearful of a screeching harridan, than a little girl whose puppy they have accidentally run over in her view....

You mention fear, but to me, it's not fear__I simply detest the over-emotional states. It's just a personal choice. My wife also detests the over-emotional. But the puppy situation you mention brings tears to my eyes, as I love animals, and have two Sealpoint cats__I love em__They teach me a lot. I've always had many different animals all my life__pigs, cows, chickens, turkies, rabbits, ducks, dogs, horses, on and on. I loved em all except the chickens/roosters__They're too dumb to love, imo, although I did have one friendly breed once...

Unfair of me, I acknowledge, to introduce such metaphors of emotion.....

No, not at all Lorrina, I love your down-to-earth perspectives. You seem a lot like my wife__and that's a compliment...rrr

Your reply shall hold interest, I trust...

Thanks Lorrina,
Best,

[labelwench]

Thank you for a very thoughtful and personal reply, Lloyd, and likewise, thank you for the compliment.

Quote:
Most men are less fearful of a screeching harridan, than a little girl whose puppy they have accidentally run over in her view....

You mention fear, but to me, it's not fear__I simply detest the over-emotional states. It's just a personal choice. My wife also detests the over-emotional. But the puppy situation you mention brings tears to my eyes, as I love animals, and have two Sealpoint cats__I love em__They teach me a lot. I've always had many different animals all my life__pigs, cows, chickens, turkies, ducks, dogs, horses, on and on. I loved em all except the chickens/roosters__They're too dumb to love, imo, although I did have one friendly breed once...

fear - as a noun, Painful emotion caused by impending danger, state of alarm, dread of etc.

fearful - adverb, speaks to the emotion and wanting resolution to...

My grandfather taught, that there was nothing to fear, save fear itself....and the manner in which it can paralyse our capacity for logical thinking.

None of us can know when fear shall come upon us, nor can we judge another by their fears, even when they seem illogical to us.

Discomfort when in the presence of the strong emotional state of another, is imo, a logical survival skill, as the actions and reactions of a fearful person are often unpredictable, and may pose danger to the individual themself, and to others.

For that reason, many of us seek to retain our composure and remain logical, even under duress.

While that is a commendable course, ultimately, the restrained emotion requires an outlet or release, and wise is the person who understands and can facilitate that need, for themself, or for others.

Interesting, as always....

Lorrina

P.S. - Chickens are quite misunderstood. Collectively, they do not come across as a terribly bright lot, yet many individuals are remarkably fascinating, much, dare I say, as that species known as homo sapiens...

[SB_UK]

From the Gentile, to the Projective, to the Factual...

Son --->--- Holy ghost -> Father [-> Son -> Holy ghost]
Gentile -> Projective -> Factual [-> Gentile -> Projective]

Son --->--- Holy ghost
real --->--- imaginary
[real --->--- imaginary] duality (complex) == Father
Son --->--- Holy ghost -> Father

Complex
real --->--- imaginary

Equator of self-contradiction is absolute logic.

The equator of self-contradiction or complementarity in the double helix is the 'hole' in the centre of the spiral into which Hydrogen bonds anchor.



(/)(/)(/)
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(/)

For some reason it feels as though we can imagine a rod // held in place between the two strands
- held in place by the H bonds in the centre of the helix
- keeping them together.

The double helix kinda' like the chain (on a bike)
- without which the pedals on a bike could not do any useful work.

ADDF::Stabile
'these day it's all ballbearings, Vern'



Our Universe of action representing structures formed through necessity
- through necessity to dissipate Universal motion.

~*~

If we're sat upon a lit Bunsen burner we cannot choose not to overheat; the energy is provided for use and use it we must
- our choice whether to consider this pact
- gift or curse.

Stairway to Heaven or Ever darkening Hell.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Stairway to Computerized Heaven__Every Time... Q Calls...rrr

(check out the phosphate glue in the helix__photon structure of__# of electrons controls # of photons present__same as Samurai swords, and plasma bathed ropes = # of left and right handed gluey chiralling orthogonal photons__It's all geometry... Photons are cannibals__They eat each other__Super-positions of__Everything gotta' live...)

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(/)


Stairway to Heaven or Ever darkening Hell.

[SB_UK]

The equator of self-contradiction or complementarity in the double helix is the 'hole' in the centre of the spiral into which Hydrogen bonds anchor.



(/)(/)(/)
(/)(/)
(/)

For some reason it feels as though we can imagine a rod held in place between the two strands
- held in place by the H bonds in the centre of the helix
- keeping them together.

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The black curve representing (parenting) the blue and green complementary strands.

The black curve though may either be considered parent or child to the blue and green duals.

General idea

That there's an underlying sinusoidal motion (black curve) which seeds structures by a regular pattern of evolution.
I think that the black curve parents the blue and green duals -
- and that when the blue and green duals are fully formed (cf. quantum wave collapse) -
then there's a reprise back into frame of the original parental black curve
- which evolves by halving its (original) wavelength
- thereby itself evolving to complexity.
ahhh!
(I understand)

Son --->--- Holy ghost -> Father [-> Son -> Holy ghost]
Gentile -> Projective -> Factual [-> Gentile -> Projective]

blue --->--- green --->--- black [->- blue -->-- green]

--------------------<- I can think tonight and it's a full moon.


.....)
.....--(
.....)

~*~

Evolution through the point of inflexion involves motion into an orthogonal dimension which (in effect) creates an 'independent' abstraction layer -
- the structure formed post-fracture in fractal geometries.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Try looking at it this way, and see if it helps__Unorthodox views...

Evolution through the point of inflexion involves motion into an orthogonal dimension which (in effect) creates an 'independent' abstraction layer -
- the structure formed post-fracture in fractal geometries.

Everything in the universe must trade energy states, to keep the entire perpetual motion machine going. Everyone in the SM community thinks it's a solid geometry, the way ProfPat's pretty diagrams portray, or everything I've ever seen__But picture it this way; All particle waves merge all parts of selves, very similar as the chaos diagrams we've often posted. There are no bumping particles__They're all squishy morphing waves, passing through each other, constantly__at least the photons, gluons, muons quarks, z and w bosons or whatever, are just tightly wound energy/particles, winding and unwinding through all particle/wave space, and real substances. It's all a constant metamorphoses, which actually operates just like a ram-jet diesel engine. All particle waves absorb, compress, and emit particle waves, at certain mass pressures.

At least, this is the simplicity of how I see it, and cosmologists working on a computer model of a star, tried to ignite it nuclearly, and it didn't work. They had to try the diesel model, and the computerized star self-ignited. That tells me something, but it's my old theory here at the Quest, years ago anyway__long before I saw the diesel computer model on the history channel. To me the entire universe is nothing but mass absorption, compressions and emissions__A perfect simple ram-jet geometry. It works like this__An electron changes orbit, not because we observe it__it's always changing orbits, as it's always absorbing photons, hitting mass compression stroke, just like a micro ram-jet__then emitting smaller real photons, as exhaust heat__thus forcing it to change orbits. Even the Tokamak x-ray photos show the photon trail behind the electrons, when they try to accelerate them to self-fusion velocities. This has been known for years. Also, the photon masses sealed into Sammurai swords can be nothing but photon glueyness, because what other actions are taking place but photons entering and leaving, then the cold dunk, seals more gluey/bonding photons in, thus super-hardening the outside sheath of the swords. Same with the plasma ropes I mentioned above__what's in the hot plasma baths, but gluey photons, to double the strengths of the newest marine ropes, even stronger than steel__and RNA/DNA/Helix, electrons/protons absorbing and emitting gluey photons again__Hydrogen, as you mention, being such a small atom, packs the highest number of photon absorptions and emitions in one single area, thus the RNA/DNA glueyness__just check the elemental table for atomic weights and sizes of...

Just a few points for you to add to your geometric theorizing. It makes it much simpler to me, but that doesn't mean it will simplify for you__but anyway...rrr

Tokamak Link


The conservation of information and motion laws must always be preserved__Imo, this implies metamorphoses of geometries must always be the state of universal reality...

[SB_UK]

Thanks for the help
(a little while ago I realised that I can stare at pictures (geometries) drift off into a daydream, empty my mind and then wait for the penny to drop
- linearly arrayed words do not have the same effect).

~Boots~,Aristotle
'The soul never thinks without a picture'

~*~





The evolution of the red blood cell can be seen in the structure of the human cardiovascular system which is a Moebius strip which crosses over at the heart.

head (><) feet

(><///)

/// - 3 red blood cells
- where the CVS (above) is a Moebius strip is itself a cross-section through a torus.




y
|//z
|//
|/
---> x

Circular Motion within the red blood cell (in plane xz) results in its linear motion around the cardiovascular system
- where linear motion around the cardiovascular system actually isn't
- actually represents rotation about a torus.

~*~

So (thanks again )

- ToE
--- aside ---

Noam Chomsky was on television last night and the sad part is that his political views are so evidently correct that just the need to repeat them is evidence of what we're doing wrong (currently). He concentrated on the crimes committed by government in the name of control (sold as 'your protection').

His interview (criticising government) followed an unrelated story describing another government (a post Soviet Republic) seeking to control how individuals practice Islam.

--- aside ends ---

ToE
evolution of toroidal rotation [PARENT] into toroidal rotation in the orthogonal plane [CHILD]
(this is described by the transition in frame of motion within the red blood cell to motion (of the red blood cell) within the CVS)
- and then (when the time comes) ... ... ...
evolution of the first generation [CHILD]into a novel structure [GRANDCHILD]
- [GRANDCHILD] exhibiting rotation in frame with the original (seed) frame of rotation [PARENT] in this scheme.


() toroidal rotation 1 -----> [PARENT]

-()- toroidal rotation 2 ---> [CHILD]

(-()-) toroidal rotation 3 -> [GRANDCHILD]


~*~

The geometric basis of ToE can (at the simplest possible level) be imagined as the following sequence
- where each layer represents a motion within the frame identified.

() -()- (-()-)

~*~

The nature of ToE teaches us the simple determinant underlying all, though most importantly our own evolutionary trajectory from

glimmer in the space-time continuum

up until recently (post-modern post-mind)

- teaches us that the control which governments seek to levy is doomed to failure -
- that only repression can result when any method other than optimising the current (highest level characterizing) emergent property is attempted towards definition of an optimally arrayed system

- and now in simple English

That a mind* which is educated into an understanding of reality (education for education's sake) corrects all of our societal problems
(crime, terrorism, $elfish greed, vanity, disease, addiction, damaging desires, world weariness, despair, fear, the need to be elsewhere (anywhere but here) ... ... ...)
- forget {economics,trade,work}
- none of that's important until we've put in place a mindset which desires a stable SUSTAINABLE** foundation for growth
- that a property of the educated mind is morality (ADDF::Stabile enforced moral consistency)
- and that only the moral mind is capable of implementing policies which enshrine respect for ALL men.
That the love which Jesus described (of one's neighbour) may be understood more clearly from this, our current context as an enforced respect for our fellow man
- true respect (soon to be) built-in.

~*~

* The mind is our current (highest level characterizing) emergent property.

** How dumb was it to design society around a resource (oil) which we all knew was going to run out.

[SB_UK]

So ... ... the ascent of man can now be understood if we factor in the pattern of evolution of the toroid into an orthogonal plane of rotation.

As we increased our aerobic efficiency
- we were literally drawn up into an orthogonal plane to our four-legged days

woof!

plane of red blood cell (planetary plane)
->-
plane of CVS
->-
reprise to plane of red blood cell (planetary plane)

Pretty sure that the reprise to plane of red blood cell (planetary plane) represents a single waveform formed in the air-filled cavity between Heaven and Hell
- a single waveform representing the overlay of our individual EEG (radio wave transmissions) in that space.

That the species (our species) highest emergent property
- the mind
- relates to our usage of a single shared waveform which is to be found within the air-filled cavity around planet Earth.

A single shared waveform to which our individual EEGs subscribe
- and which converges as the individual members of the planet converge upon a mutually compatible understanding of reality cf. quantum wave collapse.

The mechanism of quantum wave collapse repeated on the higher level of evolution of the human mind
- at the point of quantum wave collapse evolution drives energy to be transduced through the standing wave's point of inflexion into an orthogonal realm
- all of this as a perfect description of what must occur when all of our human minds converge upon a single compatible model of reality.

When our human minds** converge upon a single consistent model of reality
- we have no choice other than to evolve.

Evolve - a speciation event
- we move on.

~*~

** I think that we may only require a couple of minds to agree upon an optimal route -
- and that once that route is formed -
- that people will (because of the attraction towards this global minimum) simply fall into ... ...
- much as Spock induced stars in {Star Trek,2009} to collapse into a black hole following introduction of 'read matter'

... ... .... simply
fall
into ... ... ...

weeeeeeeeeeee!

[SB_UK]

ToE

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->-

_ _ _ _ _ _ _
_/////_ _ ////
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//v_/||_||_/ kinda' like the rings in Saturn's rings.
/////\_>_/


->-
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|/////_/_ ////||
|/////\<\\//^|||
|/v_/||_||_/||||
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(... ... ... and so it continues ... ... ...)

The evolution of perturbation in the space-time continuum to the structures which'll form post-mind can be described by cranking this pattern
- thr gyroscope
- Trinity

- reality as a Tale of ever increasing doughnuts.

Figure 1: Jelly Belly



'Thankyou Professor'



Can I eat it now Marg ?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by SB_UK
Me at 4 yrs. old...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer
Me at 64 yrs. old...

where our goal
- species level goal
even and much more so (I'm pretty sure as)
to
build
(and simply) that (at the barest of minima) -
- {*that*,the} simplest form of {the,*that*} Standalone structure.

This form of cross-disciplinary expertise http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna
is unheard of these days -
- where 'everybody's some kinda' expert'rrr.

And herein lies the problem. Everyone thinks they are educated to knowledgable levels by being an expert, in some certain field. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are nothing more than informationists of that specific field. True knowledge requires the cross-disciplinary expertise of an Avicenna or a Peirce, and no-one has knowledge, without this universal view__they're just viewing a very small part of the world. Just look at Plato and Aristotle__a great deal of universal knowledge, but their mistake was narrowing it to specific fields, and not viewing the integration of the whole__Always the problem. True knowledge only exists in the whole__Not the Parts... Parts knowledge is simply information__Yet enough information builds the whole...

This is the trouble with Chomsky__Too much about the parts__Not enough about the whole. He talks constantly of what's wrong with the parts of the world he sees(imo, very little)__But nothing about what the whole can be_can be__Can BE...!!! Please find a new hero__Chomsky ain't it. He's simply the Ross Perot perrot of pseudo-linguistics and pseudo-politics...

Ya know what's amazed me all through the years, is why the world can theorize a gazillion models of physics ideas, yet demand we stick to nothing but the old failed policies of economics, politics and power__instead of having a gazillion models of economics, politics and power. Why is this, do you suppose...?

We all need to realize the dead ideas we are hugging like our new-born children__These are nothing but dead, rotting ideas__Poisoning all minds who cling to these false ideologies. Why can't people see the ideologies poisoning their minds...? The poison about the world, that Chomsky and his ilk spew about the world is obvious hate__and nothing but__Hate of one group against the other__Ain't the way. Study Ibn Sina and Peirce, and you'll find none of this type of hate, as they were educated enough to see the whole__The whole says, "Look at me__I'm free of hate...!!!"

Only when one frees their mind of all__and I mean completely ALL Hate__can one see the truth to guide lil' ol' spaceship Earth into its proper future course. Just think how simple this is__We process all the world's www information with simple web addresses that always preserve information paths. You mean we can't do that simple computerized process with money, politics and power systems? They contain far less information paths to be preserved. I think it's time the world awakens completely from the Hate-Mongers its blindly following__Don't you...???rrr

P.s.
Chomsky's got away with his evil long enough...