East Meets West Logic...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

And yes, that is the most difficult to put into simplicity... This is the area I'm still theorizing about__A simplicity model of law and money... 'Change not charity' is doable, but prevention not cure__Kinda go hand in hand to me__I think we need both...

Prevention not cure
Change not charity

Not controversial
- we do however need an all encompassing non-belief based logical approach for defining the place where we'd like to be.[Absolutely true...]

Of course an end to inequality, poverty, bad guys with guns
- however a logically sound argument which can be used to convince people now that when
~then~
- that they ~then~ shan't yearn for the ???good??? old days.

You know to me, this must have something to do with age, or maybe it's my seeing through history's mentalities, as I have, that caused me to have__No yearnings for the good old days_as I once did... I just want to see the Good New Days...!!!

I love the future__It's all there is... Just think about it__As soon as you think you see the past, or the present__It's already the future__Every Split-Second...!!!rrr

[Mikal]

I simply detest the over-emotional states....quote by Lloyd.

You know Lloyd I have a brother-in-law who is the most logical, un-emotional person I have known in my life. When life brought from behind that hidden curve in life, the sudden delivered tragic death of his only child and son at 18, he discovered that logic would not get him through this precarious and shocking sudden change and loss...he consequently had to deal with himself as an emotional person for close to 5 years to find his way back to realizing that life itself taught him that to be strictly logical was simply to deny an otherwise huge part of himself....


Regards Mikal

[SB_UK]

I love the future__It's all there is...

I couldn't agree more.

Forward looking is all there is.

Imagine the possibilities.

[SB_UK]

I simply detest the over-emotional states....quote by Lloyd.
You know Lloyd I have a brother-in-law who is the most logical, un-emotional person I have known in my life. When life brought from behind that hidden curve in life, the sudden delivered tragic death of his only child and son at 18, he discovered that logic would not get him through this precarious and shocking sudden change and loss...he consequently had to deal with himself as an emotional person for close to 5 years to find his way back to realizing that life itself taught him that to be strictly logical was simply to deny an otherwise huge part of himself....
Regards Mikal

Unfeeling logic
versus
Unthinking emotion

I'm pretty sure that the individual is predisposed to one of these two states
- and that with learning, pair-bond and time
- that the individual merges with his partner to achieve balance.

That the balanced state represents a kinda' reciprocal relationship with one's partner
- both being able (though reciprocally) to adopt either of the two 'states' of mind.

Tempted to suggest (purely based on feeling) that the extremes of emotion and logic (the two duals) which come together (in pair-bonded partnership) are also extremes in pH (internal)
- and that at balance -
pH neutrality is achieved.

Also tempted to suggest that failure in marriage occurs because the complex transition of pair-bonding is not allowed to proceed to completion
- that the (as and of necessity) extreme differences which exist between duals
(synergistic and not antagonistic as it often sometimes feels)

- that the antagonism which arises from the North and South pole of a magnet jostling for equal footing in the duality which they form -
- of two duals as one in stable duality

- that the 'stormy' conditions which prevail as extremes come to respect one another and settle into peaceful unity of duality

- that the emotional and logical sides of human nature
- are inadequately credited

- can be considered markers of an underlying biochemistry.

'I dunno'
- just knew s'ppose
... ... it was a peculiar kinda' chemistry'

The stereotype of the Asperger's male (Spock) meets the Hysterical female (McCoy) have a well balanced (even if he is rather fond of the ladies ) Kirk.

[SB_UK]

Imagine the possibilities.

Searching for the key which'll awaken people (including myself) to a deepfelt understanding of limitlessness.

The key which'll ensure speedy change.

Running into the problem that so much of what we do currently is sooo ridiculous -
that
(at least in my head)
- change (away) has already occurred.

Presumably a mindset which cannot even entertain the ignorant systems which we currently live by default by
as
precursor to change.

~*~

With this frame of mind comes absolute certainty in the nature and solution to the problems we face -

- all that we need (then) is a key which'll unlock all others' minds to that infinite realm of possibilities -

- a key which'll entail that we'll all yearn for change for the better

and

soon

... ... and soon ... ...
because people will actually want it.

~*~

Rules don't work.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Mikal, and it's good to see your interests; however, did you notice I did say, 'Over-emotional', and also stated much about the importance of normal emotions as being our most important essence__and fundamental to all our other essence agents, including intellect and logic. I still detest the over-emotional, and that has nothing to do with my logical uses of mind. That's strictly an emotional state I'm applying to those who are far too emotional for my taste, to the exaggerated elimination of logical emotional state uses__I think you may understand what I mean...

I think as a civil society, we have a long way to go, to find that happy medium of personal action and valid understandings... And, I am certainly not defending one against the other__as both emotional and logical states have equal importances to me...rrr

I simply detest the over-emotional states....quote by Lloyd.

You know Lloyd I have a brother-in-law who is the most logical, un-emotional person I have known in my life. When life brought from behind that hidden curve in life, the sudden delivered tragic death of his only child and son at 18, he discovered that logic would not get him through this precarious and shocking sudden change and loss...he consequently had to deal with himself as an emotional person for close to 5 years to find his way back to realizing that life itself taught him that to be strictly logical was simply to deny an otherwise huge part of himself....


Regards Mikal

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Couldn't have described it better myself SB. You have more or less laid out my wife's and my life's history, of our minds first hating each other, while we both loved each other, and the final uniting of differences in synergy__over time__We've been together 40+ years... That's just the way it evolved... Thanks...rrr

Unfeeling logic
versus
Unthinking emotion

I'm pretty sure that the individual is predisposed to one of these two states
- and that with learning, pair-bond and time
- that the individual merges with his partner to achieve balance.

That the balanced state represents a kinda' reciprocal relationship with one's partner
- both being able (though reciprocally) to adopt either of the two 'states' of mind.

Tempted to suggest (purely based on feeling) that the extremes of emotion and logic (the two duals) which come together (in pair-bonded partnership) are also extremes in pH (internal)
- and that at balance -
pH neutrality is achieved.

Also tempted to suggest that failure in marriage occurs because the complex transition of pair-bonding is not allowed to proceed to completion
- that the (as and of necessity) extreme differences which exist between duals
(synergistic and not antagonistic as it often sometimes feels)

- that the antagonism which arises from the North and South pole of a magnet jostling for equal footing in the duality which they form -
- of two duals as one in stable duality

- that the 'stormy' conditions which prevail as extremes come to respect one another and settle into peaceful unity of duality

- that the emotional and logical sides of human nature
- are inadequately credited

- can be considered markers of an underlying biochemistry.

The stereotype of the Asperger's male (Spock) meets the Hysterical female (McCoy) have a well balanced (even if he is rather fond of the ladies ) Kirk.

[SB_UK]

... ... (even if he is rather fond of the ladies ) Kirk.

... ... ... and who can blame him
- they turn his world.

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[Lloyd Gillespie]

Something tells me it's going to have a lot to do with comedy, music and cartoons, etc., to make adult learning fun__For a change... I have some visions of this, from about 40 years ago, but they just ain't clear enough to me yet...

Once saw a Mexican artwork of Christ's return__He's standing in a junk-yard with an ax over his shoulder, after he'd just chopped down the cross__While standing on top of a pile of junk cars__Kinda representing modernity. Can't remember the artist's name__But it's an apt piece of artwork... It'll take much of this type of thinking also...

The Christ Possibilia__Yes__But logical reality added to his moral and emotional reality...

We must somehow evolve all to the intellectual and emotional maturities__Which are presently only about 1% to 3% of society__If that... The overwhelming number of immature minds still rule the world... This must change...

What type of comedy can force the majority to see their own immaturities...???

Back in `70's America, two pilot comedy shows aired just one or two weeks, 'Pipen and Godspell' and 'Sticks and Bones' exposing America's immaturities__The government shut them down__They were too true and good__We need revive them__and thousands like 'em__again...

We need model TV shows of possible law and money future computerized perfections__Also__Now...!!!

TV is the most powerful medium__The necessary good, must exploit it's power...rrr

Originally Posted by _
Imagine the possibilities.

Searching for the key which'll awaken people (including myself) to a deepfelt understanding of limitlessness.

The key which'll ensure speedy change.

Running into the problem that so much of what we do currently is sooo ridiculous -
that
(at least in my head)
- change (away) has already occurred.

Presumably a mindset which cannot even entertain the ignorant systems which we currently live by default by
as
precursor to change.

~*~

With this frame of mind comes absolute certainty in the nature and solution to the problems we face -

- all that we need (then) is a key which'll unlock all others' minds to that infinite realm of possibilities -

- a key which'll entail that we'll all yearn for change for the better

and

soon

... ... and soon ... ...
because people will actually want it.

~*~

Rules don't work.

[SB_UK]

Something tells me it's going to have a lot to do with comedy, music and cartoons, etc., to make adult learning fun__For a change... I have some visions of this, from about 40 years ago, but they just ain't clear enough to me yet...

Sounds good and ToE makes it possible.

Slightly more difficult will be the relationship between free education existing alongside a global private system where everything is engineered to cost; the inevitable consequence of free education will be to undermine the current 'only for money' mentality.

Not a bad thing though, suppression would only be possible for a limited time due to the irresistible attraction upon which we are predicated -
- 'to understand reality'

Still searching for an intuitive argument which'll convey 'what next?'