East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

2. A peculiar (very pleasant) electrical wooshing feeling within the body (ADDf)

An very pleasant sensation which feels a little like the high one experiences the first couple of times one takes dexedrine.

We're evolving control over the facility to access that place.

That place is particularly special
- and I think we're going to see this argument introduce the idea that the electrical flow which confers that sensation
- is the very electrical flow which increases as we evolve

- that we're set the task to increase that very pleasant sensation
- each time by a factor of 2

- by increasing the quality (our capacity to sense increased granularity in reality) which we sense
and thereby and as a direct consequence increasing also our quality of life

- our underlying electrical flow supporting the increased needs placed on our system by increasing ... ...
- by increasing ... ...
leading to the experiential perspective of satisfaction alongside (this idea)
supplying us with a (reasoned) basis for motivation
- of a motivation (continued pattern of evolution) towards ever more ... ...
... ... towards ever more -
since our internal electrical flow may be considered
(I guess)
unconstrained.

This argument has unlimited scope to scale.

into ->- the ->- future

- at least if we let it.

Simplify the nonsense

~*~

Summary (in simple English)

We're happiest as we work towards a state in which we support an ever greater life force.
This requires that we have a substrate which commands (by its greater complexity) the need for greater complexity in our sensing (the cerebellum) machinery.
There's no point in buying a more powerful vacuum cleaner until the less powerful engine no longer
suffices.

[SB_UK]

Our problem (currently) is the attitude which one sees in the army and medicine

- 'well we had to do it and so must you' ... ...

... people who see their own elevated position in the hierarchy as arising through their capacity (way back then) to following (and unquestioningly so) orders

- who had (in their time) been subject to humiliation by their commanding medical officer

- and who now refuse to relinquish command, can't see the need (because they didn't (in their time) see that in their lead)
- can't see the need to have to justify themselves.

Just do what I say.

... ... ... refuse to relinquish command
- though even in the knowledge that the next generation (including their children)
will fall victims to one of their counterparts
- some other ignorant bully
- if they themselves
refuse
to
take
a
lead
and

stand

down.

~*~

A society 'at ease' awaits if people can entertain the idea that regardless of their position in some artificial workplace hierarchy
- that regardless of their position in the hierarchy
- that they're not better than anybody else.

--- aside ---

money (pay) supports this belief
- and we really do (I'm pretty sure) need to take steps to dismantle discrepancies in pay
- in order to remove the key factor which supports the individual into the delusional belief that (through having more money)
- that they're better than the less well paid
(if even as an unspoken determinant of demeanour)

- that they're better than the less well paid
- are at liberty to exert power over 'lesser' human beings
- to exert themselves over others
pretty much as they please.

A false sense of one's own importance and it's going to have to end.

--- end ---

yay!

~*~

There's nothng difficult in this reality
- just systems which are designed to or so poorly which give that very misleading impression.

[SB_UK]

An unanswerable question:
Why nothing?

An answered question:
Definition of an intuitive argument which can be used to convey faith in the future (these last 10 posts or so)?

Leaving one question (of practicalities):
How does one survive in a world of money where that world of money is circulating within the economy supporting a series of tasks none of which are necessary.
The few which are necessary and which people do not enjoy being fully automatable.

I can't work out a mechanism for playing a fundamentally corrupt game.

Sorry (and running the risk of incurring disapproval from everybody (it seems) again)
- but
money is currently (in effect) bad.

This idea is no more difficult than the idea (which one hears ubiquitously these days ever since the banking meltdown
and
which appears to have no opposition) -
- the idea that 'bonus culture' lead to bankers following their greed into the construction of financial instruments of mass destruction.

Replace 'bonus culture' with money
and
bankers with all those who have money.

Being paid i$ indistinguishable from the 'bonus'
The underlying desire of banker (to make ever more money) is indistinguishable from any individual who is paid ... ...

and we're there.
Arrival at an argument which will prove impossible to refute.

On the one hand relief
- on the other
- the enormity of the task which lies before us

- we're looking to a massive infrastructural change in the collective human mind
accompanied
by a massive infrastructural change in our collective physical environment.

~*~

Naturally
- the change in our physical environment will take considerably longer to realise
than it will take to grasp
- to grasp superficially rather than to understand (deeply)

- to understand (deeply) to the point of an informed absolute belief

in this stance.

[SB_UK]

An attempt to describe (once again) the only question which I have
- representing the single greatest problem which we need to solve.

People believe that they're doing something worthwhile when they go into work, earn money and climb the ladder
year on year.

They're not.

They're playing (and without realising it) (in effect) a game of monopoly which appears to feel as though it's the right thing to do because of the animal legacy desire to exert power over people.

As human beings we need to be able to separate out that desire to exert power over others from the workplace
- and to realise that all of the nonsense
(proprietary methods, industrial secrets, explosion in unnecessary jargon)
is the weapon which the local mind wields for no other reason than self-adornment.

The peacock's feathers; the lion's mane.
A lower level physical motivation driving behaviour of the mind.

~*~

That our society cannot work unless we have a flat structure performing tasks in a perfectly transparent manner
- permitting people free movement between nodes in the global workplace if they wish (as SteveA suggests).

Jargon keeps people out
- in much the same way that foreign languages divide.

Our problem is that 'experts' force the appearance of expertise to inflate their sense of self worth {to increase the power they wield, to increase the money they earn}

- in the process they force partitions into society which prevent the average individual from moving between nodes in the global workplace structure
- just can't speak the language, can they?

- in effect the workplace (what is earned within and the nature of the work which is performed) -
may be seen to have been constructed around a hierarchical structure which prevents the realization of fairness ... ...

... ... that a (structural) flaw in the human mind

ref. the section on Plato,Aristotle,Chomsky
Avicenna, Kant and Peirce
(above)

- which is corrected as the human mind itself evolves from less complex to more complex (relatively) topology
- represents the exact same (both precursor and post-structural) geometry

- and that the same pattern of evolution will be seen to be necessary in both cases.

Not because anybody 'says' so
- instead because of ToE

ToE -
- simply a simple geometric series formed from an underlying substrate.

one~substrate [Western Science]

They're playing (and without realising it) (in effect) a game of monopoly which appears to feel as though it's the right thing to do because of the animal legacy desire to exert power over people.

I think that the nature of the basis to people realising it
- a defined structural change in a less complex (to a more complex (elegant) structure)
- will represent the exact same structural change which will occur in society (the workplace) to generate a more complex (better)
- more efficient
flat
structure
- in which we're all functionally equal players.

One shouldn't be rewarded by an uneven playing field by virtue of the length we've been playing the system.

In direct analogy to the observation that money makes money (irregardless (and actually moreso contrary) to community benefit) -
we appear to have a workplace hierarchy which works against the best interests of community ... ...

... ... ... which works to 'fix' weaker links in place
- which delivers inequality

- which will fall and soon
(as needs be)

- much as a house of cards eventually
(by virtue of the builder's dogged reliance on an unstable architecture)
- eventually comes crashing down
- comes crashing down in its entirety.

[SB_UK]

- which is corrected as the human mind itself evolves from less complex to more complex (relatively) topology
- represents the exact same (both precursor and post-structural) geometries

- and that the same pattern of evolution will be seen to be necessary in both cases.

In this section I was pointing at an identical conformational change in two different structures of identical shape
by identical geometric change.

I think that the reality of the situation is different.

- immature structure of mind builds immature workplace (or society)
- imagine building a wall from spheres.
->-
- mature structure of mind builds mature workplace (or society)
- imagine building a wall from cubes.

That the geometric change in structure of the human mind is the geometric change which need take place to permit the same geometric change between human minds.

~*~

ooops!

(from previously)

change as better than charity
prevention as better than cure

I've just realised that I was using cure in an unorthodox sense
- the kinda' sense which it's used in medicine.
A medical cure which (so the pharmaceutical company smiles) must be taken for life
- does not lead to freedom from the underlying disease

- merely places an unacceptable financial burden on the diseased individual.

(The word - cure isn't generally (exactly as you suggest) used in this context
- is more often used to indicate 'a miracle cure'

... ... so apologies again ... ...

- wrought
a lexical twist following a life of skepticism around academic and industrial 'drug discovery' programs.

It's all just plain MBA sales figure nonsense.

Market leaders?
Fast followers?
Competitive advantage?

... ... and then your patient dies
(a statistic)
~*~

Prevention of disease not cure (in this sense).

[labelwench]

Leaving one question (of practicalities):
How does one survive in a world of money where that world of money is circulating within the economy supporting a series of tasks none of which are necessary.
The few which are necessary and which people do not enjoy being fully automatable.

Originally posted by SB__UK

I would be very interested in knowing which tasks you do consider neccessary, which people do not enjoy,and which are fully automatable, SB__UK.

Whenever the answer suits you....

[SB_UK]

I would be very interested in knowing which tasks you do consider neccessary, which people do not enjoy,and which are fully automatable....

Examples in orange

Physical
From a physiological point of view -
what do we need?
a.Heat
[we require energy - shouldn't need a chap walking from house to house taking meter readings]
b.Food
[we require food - shouldn't need a chap walking from aisle to aisle stocking shelves]
c.Water
[we require water - shouldn't need a chap digging up the road to find a broken water pipe - he'll never find them all]
d.Shelter
[we require shelter - shouldn't need to battle against cowboy artisans to ensure that our house is liveable]

Mental
From the point of view of mind -
what do we need?
[we require information transfer (the Internet) -
- the open source movement is doing well and is bringing us to that place]

~*~

Our problems (for the most part) are to be found on the physical layer of owner$hip.

I would be very interested in knowing which tasks you do consider neccessary, which people do not enjoy,and which are fully automatable....

The answer then simply as the list of disgruntled workers working for a survival critical industry.

~*~

The list of industries making up the survival critical set represent but a tiny subset of the total.

~*~

There's no getting away from the fact that we have physiological needs which must be met.

The idea is simply to ensure that not negotiable human needs are met with minimum human intervention, if human beings really aren't happy performing those tasks for others.

As a general rule though -
I think that the individual is going to need to be in charge of his survival level needs
(as a function of empowerment).

I can see this idea (though) having to concede to local community autonomy.
The human physiological aging process preventing the average octogenarian from fixing his roof.

I would suggest that this idea may represent the physiological equivalent of Lloyd's suggestion for a fully computerised system for handling the economy.

~*~

My hidden agenda


- to have a society filled with people who're in a position to daydream all day
(where the most productive thoughts arise from those who harness the dream).

From ADDf: the theta (EEG) transition (into daydream) is (apparently) well understood
(I didn't know this previously)
to associate with {creativity,clarity of thought}.

[labelwench]

- to have a society filled with people who're in a position to daydream all day
(where the most productive thoughts arise from those who harness the dream).

Judging by the number of folks that I work with, who spend the whole night with earbuds plugged into an MP-3 player, my immediate observation is that those ones are the least productive.

'Air Thieves.'

Shelter.

Water.

Food.

Heat/Cooling (Depending which climate one lives in)

Because our mind is housed in a physical structure, we require physical activity.

Much of our physical and psychology illness comes from insufficient movement. Body movement improves digestion, circulation and blood flow to the brain, thereby stimulating the thought process.

Having the luxury of sufficient time to daydream, is not something that I would deny to anyone, and todays' society does not allow sufficient time for rest and rejuvenation. (My personal experiment with working nights and days being most reliant on the rest schedule that I must set and abide by.)

First must we bridle the horse of the imagination (from a Chinese priverb) before we can harness the dream.

In strictly practical terms, the bridle is always the first thing put on, and the last taken off, when working with a horse in harness.

Many a wreck would have been prevented, had that important point of order be adherred to.

Thanks for the reply SB__UK.

My absolutely non-essential service to humanity now requires that I attend it.

Don't worry......Be happy......

[SB_UK]

google # 1 on theta,EEG,creativity

this kinda' thing [~link~]:

'states of reverie that have been known to creative people of all time'

~*~

The point I'm trying to get at is that we do currently have physiological needs
- however that our highest need will (when realised) result in the incapacity to engage in many of the behaviours upon which current society is currently constructed
(imagine the beckoning call of life with less (on the physical level)

We came into this world with nothing ... ...

than the itinerant ascetic)

so shall we leave ... ...

(talking (using vocal cords) becomes difficult (for instance))

- that we won't much care to engage in any of those other tasks when our mind is in a better place
- with this idea in mind
- that full automation in survival level services is going to prove necessary

- is going to prove necessary

- no other way

- one's state of mind will preclude enagement in nonsensical schemes.

(talking (using vocal cords) becomes difficult (for instance))

as does driving
- insufficient concentration
driving's dull ... ...

... ... ... just thinking.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

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