East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

"Stare into the abyss long enough, and the abyss stares back at you." Nietzsche

neverending

[Lloyd Gillespie]

neverending

Simplify by unifying the smaller concepts__into larger concepts__into larger still concepts__into the largest concept possible__of the creative universal imagination__The Ultimate Possibilia...rrr

Maybe...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Zoning To Enhance Nature...

SB, try taking the virtual world of computers, and transferring that very virtual world, to the real world of creative universal imagination__of the physical world of a possible perfectly functioning natural community setting. Let your creative juices imagine an entirely new natural community, say; 200 square miles of pristine land, lakes and mountains, some bordering the ocean. Remove all thoughts of being hemmed in by existing structures__Just imagine this plot of land as your Kingdom__A natural country all its own. Use your virtual computer imagination applied to this new sovereign vision...

Design all law, resource, money, life and living systems/conditions from absolute scratch. It's possible only if you try. This way, one can avoid the trap of comparing negative realities, against other negative realities, and only achieving a final negative reality__'Malthus...'

Forget him and all his ilk__You are granted a pristine land/sovereign/country to start new, from scratch. This is how to use the absolute necessity of perceptual, conceptual evolution to real creative universal imagination...

Imagine a natural community where:

No vinal/aluminum/faux siding allowed__No asphalt roofing__No faux anything...

All siding/roofing must be wood, of some design__Unless stone or brick...

All houses and businesses must be natural stick built, stone or brick__Houses and businesses required to have open porches, for natural socialization of community...

All business signs must be carved wood__and have hitching posts, and public seating on porches/boardwalks...

All energy sources must be natural...

Houses may be all types of wood siding__Clear or painted...

Houses should be of exquisite design__yet shall not be huge...

Community should be planned with housing centered around businesses, and farming and natural lands and lake areas, preserved in the outside parimeters...

Imagine a main central farm for all actively desiring participants...

Let half the 200 square miles be set aside for farming__food and trees...

Let this acreage support 100,000 people__Make it possible from scratch...

Lakes may be used for fish-farming__preferably vegetarian fish, as most renewable__Chinese perfected such systems thousands of years ago...

Let a campground exist on one of the lakes__yet must be all small natural wood cabins__No trailers anywhere__Too faux...

Use natural char fertilizers, and crop burnings, as native Indians perfected centuries ago, to enhance new growths__Also natural animal and fish fertilizers, and massive composting, etc...

Cars allowed in certain areas only__Horses and battery/electric golf carts allowed everywhere...

Imagine a solar, wind, geo-thermal, etc., green powered community, or any other new clean sources thought up...

Let the community be in the cold countries, so all aspects of necessity are covered...

Let all streets be of natural materials__No asphalt, only crushed stone, gravel or cobble stones/bricks, etc...

Dream up a set/increasing incentive money system, to allot all citizen's and businesse's resources__to supply the best ordered living conditions possible...

All's possible in this new natural community, as your new money system is a sovereign of the people, as a universal ownership of the money/distribution/trade system__Completely computerize if desired__Not mandatory...

Biggest hurdle will be figuring out how to inter-face the community's money and trading system with the greater out-side world__preventing inflation of the local money__This is the biggie__Yet solvable__Think__Think__and Think some more__It'll come to ya...

Continue this imagination, on and on__It's all within your natural creative universal imagination's capacity...
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Imo, this is where you've been theorizing, as represented by the first graphic I posted on the philosophy thread:


Notice that you've often been processing at the bottom of this drawing's facts__The left and right extremes, into new extremes. Yet the drawing advocates processing into 'New Lucid Conceptualisms' or new 'Common Sense Views'. This is the simple secret of 'Conflexivity'__Separating the 'Wheat From The Chaff'...rrr

... ... but the 'us' in
us physical
is purely



virtual.[Only to the virtual community, not to the physical community__that realizes protons do not decay__They are absolutely real, and produce our absolutely real physical world__No matter who says different__Science knows better__It's obvious to em...]



- has no reflection.[Protons always reflect...]





'won't you choose your green dream machine fine Sir ?'[Only in the real atomic physical world__I love physical and mental realities__Both...]



... 2, 3 ... ... more ... ?

As you wish -
4 it is

- and environmentally sustainable too.[Agreed...]

It's all in the mind
.....(after all)


in the physical world.

Yeah true, the mind is in the physical world__Called brain, perception and body__made of atoms, cells and non-decaying protons...rrr

P.s.
Can we please stop imagining Earth's horror show, and begin to see nature's visionary plan, instead...

[SB_UK]

That's it
- more simply though

at the level of human intervention

{natural,sustainable,biodegradable} physical [~eg~ shelter]
+
{unlimited unlimiting} virtual stimulation [information transfer]

We don't really need details -
- whatever appeals to people strictly within the twin remits of first and foremost sustainability
and
then fun (scaleable)
are fine.

~*~

If I were to be honest though -
- after shivering whilst watching the opening scene in Crysis
(when the guy parachutes into the sea)
(it's quite cold at the moment here, you see)

- finding it difficult to find the enthusiasm to construct anything more than an uncluttered bare physical environment -

- the scaleable pleasure comes from the ability to fast switch between ever more granular artificial (computerised) realities.

We're (the family) effectively down to life out of a suitcase -
- where all that's in the suitcase is several Terabytes (and growing) of information.

The devices fit into a small-ish space -
- wish I could say the same about all of those (always different) accompanying plugs and wires.

~*~

My point is that I'm drawn to a world with a minimum of dreary maintenance required to support our primeval primate physiology.

Our external world allowed to tend towards self-limiting self-assembly in which maximal diversity reigns.

A hands-off approach.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Only trying to round up nature's wild horses, and save em from the glue factories__Minds glued in one place serve no purpose for a
{natural,sustainable,biodegradable} physical [~eg~ shelter]
+
{unlimited unlimiting} virtual stimulation [information transfer]
All's gotta' have physical reality__Lest we die...!!!rrr

That's it
- more simply though

at the level of human intervention

{natural,sustainable,biodegradable} physical [~eg~ shelter]
+
{unlimited unlimiting} virtual stimulation [information transfer]

We don't really need details -
- whatever appeals to people strictly within the twin remits of first and foremost sustainability
and
then fun (scaleable)
are fine.

~*~

If I were to be honest though -
- after shivering whilst watching the opening scene in Crysis
(when the guy parachutes into the sea)
(it's quite cold at the moment here, you see)

- finding it difficult to find the enthusiasm to construct anything more than an uncluttered bare physical environment -

- the scaleable pleasure comes from the ability to fast switch between ever more granular artificial (computerised) realities.

We're (the family) are effectively down to life out of a suitcase -
- where all that's in the suitcase is several Terabytes (and growing) of information.

~*~

My point is that I'm drawn to a world with a minimum of dreary maintenance required to support our primeval primate physiology.

Our external world allowed to tend towards self-limiting self-assembly in which maximal diversity reigns.

A hands-off approach.[The End__We're Dead...rrr]

[SB_UK]

Pretty sure that Label 'd be able to teach them to mow our lawn and fertilize the veggie patch -
(autonomously)
in which case



they're in
(as long as they're happy).

Better no animals than an unhappy beast -
- tending towards Jainist neural supremacy.

Only trying to round up nature's wild horses, and save em from the glue factories__Minds glued in one place serve no purpose for a
{natural,sustainable,biodegradable} physical [~eg~ shelter]
+
{unlimited unlimiting} virtual stimulation [information transfer]
All's gotta' have physical reality__Lest we die...!!!rrr

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Ever notice how close Jainist neural networks were to early Jain Metaphysics...rrr

Pretty sure that Label 'd be able to teach them to mow our lawn and fertilize the veggie patch -
(autonomously)
in which case



they're in
(as long as they're happy).

Better no animals than an unhappy beast -
- tending towards Jainist neural supremacy.

[SB_UK]

#1 at 6 yrs is building lego structures on the computer
- reminds me of Dr. Manhattan (at work) in the Watchmen [image here]
++ often finds herself looking for the copy and paste buttons before she catches herself and realises that stuff like ironing needs to be done manually.

Yesterday I read a post from a kid who was excited at running an emulator in an emulator in an emulator.

Reminds me of back in the old days when I first ran a tabbed browser window within a tab within a tab (courtesy of igoogle) .

When our computer screen wallpaper bores us
- it's changed in an instant ... ..

... ... not so the case in the real world of wallpaper paste and sloppy.
( at least if I'm doing it)

... ... ... and my point is ... ... ...

(well you know)

It's the crux of the argument which I've used previously
that economics
- as the study of models of supply and demand in physical world objects
doesn't take into account the changing nature of man

- that man may no longer want any of that particular class of product.

We could then attempt to generate a new economics which deals in information
- however since

'information just wants to be free'

and
since the best information is generated by creativity

- and that formalizing creativity under some simplifying 'academic' discipline is close to impossible

- I'm suggesting that the best method of realising supply and demand on the higher (more satisfying mental level) -
will be to supply all of all human (physical,physiological) needs for free
- and then to supply people with the full range of permissible (== sustainable) metaphorical easels
and told to go create
as they
if they
wish.

Virtual (specialist) communities coming together regardless of physical location (we have this now)
and
in cases where specialist specialised equipment is necessary (LHC CERN)
- the individual simply ups and shifts locality.

(gets to see a bit of the world
(that way)
- apparently this idea floats some peoples' boats
I have no idea why

haven't they an imagination?
- they're available for free).

[SB_UK]

Our future

The ascetic digital nomad.

Japanese stye is the defining influence on modern day minimalism.

Mix it up until there are no pedigrees

Video games

Japan at the most advanced position (relative to all other nations) in the population growth curve; their zero immigration policy helping to clarify insight.

Miniaturization

Protracted economic stagnation in Japan

... going first to Japan where he declared, 'Rama has nothing to teach these people. They are all Vedantins. They are all Ramas.'

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Yeah, I contemplated idealism for years, and thought I had many interesting ideas, but was always blocked at the implementation stage of my creative imagination. After about ten years of trying to filter idealism into sensible real world scenarios, I finally had to give up, but it was due to an accidental evolution of my path...

As I may have mentioned, when one day at wit's end, and contemplating suicide, I walked into my garage and knocked over my encyclopedia's yearbook, and it fell to the floor open to Einstein's fuzzy haired picture, and the quote, "The secret to The Old One". Right then and there I awakened to the major premise of my `72 epiphany, and realized I'd started ten+ years earlier to investigate the real world of 'God, Greed and Virtue'__So my life changed at that exact split second...

I threw myself into the study of Einstein's physics, but needed better references, so I sat down and read the entire encyclopedia set from cover to cover, a to z. That gave me the foundation of where to find all the links to real physical knowledge I was really looking for, to ground my idealist imaginations. That was `82, and I haven't stopped studying since__I've practically emptied The University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, and the Library of Congress of books. It's been an amazing journey through, physics, history, law, economics, philosophy and many other political and social sciences, plus the sciences of anthropology, psychology and physiology, etc., but the most important just kept coming back to the money and law system__as these alone, imo, influences all our lives this much__The most...

I spent many years just theorizing and modeling better and better systems, until I was completely satisfied, I'd discovered what my long journey was truly looking for__But, I was locked in everyone's belief realities just as anyone/everyone else was. Imo, no-one I've yet met or talked to, live or on the web, is willing to delve into the subject to the level required of true understanding__and maybe this will always be the case. But, unless we do, someone does__we are all dead__according to my studies...

Here's a few links to the world of real economic happenings__at present__by a few economists I have trusted for years__as their early predictions were in line with mine__and have thus far been true, years before the facts...
LINK, LINK
It's a pretty lousy future, headed our way, unless more economists/people are willing to understand these hard facts...rrr

P.s.
Btw, how is your family, work and economic life over there in England? Do you have a job? Are you and your family getting on well? Or are you one of the suffering? Out of work, or what...? I know it's getting far worse over here__Our official un-employment rate just topped 10.2%, so that usually means about 75% real unemployed, or over 15%__possibly more, when the under-employed are counted__Pretty bad...

Over here, both my children have lost their homes, even with my support. They finally just decided not to continue to pour more good money down a rathole. My son lives with his grandmother, and my daughter and husband are living in a small camp supported by a few Nun friends, helping them threw the mess...

Nobody reads the fine-print on credit cards__They have the right to jack rates__So many get caught, as did they. Hard to talk truth to your children, until the s**t hits the fan. They are both willing to listen__a lot more now__But still not completely...

#1 at 6 yrs is building lego structures on the computer
- reminds me of Dr. Manhattan (at work) in the Watchmen [image here]
++ often finds herself looking for the copy and paste buttons before she catches herself and realises that stuff like ironing needs to be done manually.

Yesterday I read a post from a kid who was excited at the ability to run an emulator in an emulator in an emulator.

When our computer screen wallpaper bores us
- it's changed in an instant ... ..

... ... not so the case in the real world of wallpaper paste and sloppy.
( at least if I'm doing it)

... ... ... and my point is ... ... ...

(well you know)

It's the crux of the argument I've used previously
that economics
- as the study of models of supply and demand in physical world objects
doesn't take into account the changing nature of man

- that man may no longer want any of that particular class of product.

We could then attempt to generate a new economics which deals in information
- however since
and
since the best information is generated by creativity

- and that formalizing creativity under some simplifying 'academic' discipline is close to impossible

- I'm suggesting that the best method of realising supply and demand on the higher (more satisfying mental level) -
will be to supply all of all human (physical,physiological) needs for free
- and then to supply people with the full range of permissible (== sustainable) metaphorical easels
and told to go create
as they
if they
wish.