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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    vagueness meets uncertainty
    - framed by a mechanism
    genericity
    mirroring quantum wave collapse
    gestalt awareness
    Fuzzy logic represents the process of collapse into ... ... ...
    - the resolution of fuzziness ... ... ...
    - the resolution of just one waveform ... ... ...
    crystallization of just one waveform ...
    - from the many connections which may be constructed between a set of two points within a 2d matrix.


    excellent post.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    from Ubuntu and Wolfram



    n=24 orthogonal cogs arrayed into a self-referential (recursive) strip.
    The perpetual machine.

    The purpose of the mind being to generate this very particular (globally stable) dynamic geometry.

    (/|\)24 implying a hierarchically arrayed balanced (at every level) mind

    - a balanced structure which simplifies down to its repeating component architecture
    when completed.

    ved -anta
    The end of knowledge

    ... ... ... and if you don't mind me adding, about time too.

    Things appear to have gotten a little out of hand; life shouldn't need to be this unpleasant -
    all of the unpleasantness is of completely our own doing.

    kill money

    - ain't no God of Human misfortune at play here -
    only the legacy from anachronism ruling through force of Institutional inertia, hoping for the good 'ole days.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Here's another link that relates the continuum ideas of the ancients, to Leibniz, Peirce and Quine: LINK 'The Continuity of Continuity' A Theme in Leibniz, Peirce and Quine

    Just realized if one separates the two hemisphere's thought processing, of serial finite processing, from the parallel infinite processing, one can easily interpret and understand the entire holistic__Clearly. The infinite can process both the universal and particular, yet the finite can only process the particular__of course this is known, but purposely separating the two hemisphere's actions, is less well known. There are articles on the web about out of phase hemispheres of improper functioning brains...rrr

    More later__busy right now...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    vagueness meets uncertainty
    - framed by a mechanism mirroring quantum wave collapse

    Fuzzy logic represents the process of collapse into ... ... ...
    - the resolution of fuzziness ... ... ...
    - the resolution of just one waveform ... ... ...
    crystallization of just one waveform ...
    - from the many connections which may be constructed between a set of two points within a 2d matrix.


    excellent post.

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    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Continuum of True Interpretation and Meaning…

    Tried this years ago, when building race-cars__25 concepts of maths à Process complete functions to the universal operations of race-car under actual track conditions__Near impossible. Also tried many other multiple and variable complex concept maths à Process complete functions, from these particulars to the continuum of universal actuals__Near impossible. Yet used the imaginal intuitive universal side of the mind to visually see the entire particulars’ process in its favorable genericity__Quite accurately…

    Professionally, worked forty years in Pythagorean and Archimedian geometries, intuitions and logics à Processed every day, first from intuition, to logic__and finally relied on math__yet could then exceed the maths with my acquired knowledge of the universality’s genericities of the particulars, i.e., exceeding safety capacities, approaching the breaking strengths of the metals worked with. Always in competition with others, to exceed their abilities, without breakage__A razor’s edge use of the universal imaginal intuitive continuum, beyond others’ daring to copy. 40 years of exceeding safety capacities of metals and machinery, and not one breakage__So I well know how intuition and imagination can be pushed beyond all recognized safety margins. I mention this as examples of how efficient the guessing universal continuum of mind actually can be__Herein lies the center of creative imagination…

    Yet, I never could have accomplished that record of non-breakage without respecting the basic geometries and maths involved, then further calculating to the edge of its breaking strengths, with intuitive guessing maths, to ride that razor’s edge. I did this in all fields of endeavor, which were many, cars, boats, motorcycles, cranes, snowmobiles, airplanes and guns, etc… Even in the most punishing area of racing both roundy-round and drag__all the way to funny-cars, I never threw a rod, yet won many state and local championships in all these areas. Looking back over my life, those calculations and successes seem almost impossible to have been achieved, yet it happened…

    So, there’s more to using this universal continuum of intuition, geometry and maths__than first meets the eye and mind… I think we can process all particulars into universals, if we are only willing to push the envelope__It only requires a goal, and a wish to do so__At least that’s my experience. All the above was accomplished with making use of the universality of genericity of the intuitive continuum…rrr


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    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    It'd be nice if senior representatives (the people who control their armies) from America and the Islam nations 'd stop their war for a week or so and explain the nature of the work and similarities between just two of their people
    (that's just one each)

    - of Peirce and Avicenna -

    - after which one would hope an understanding they might reach.

    ~*~

    Not really so much to expect -
    - to expect a few nations - each of which comprising hundreds of millions of people to explain the meaning of just one of their countrymen from way back when they had no to little oil and yet so much more than we have now.

    ~*~

    Man aspires to freedom -
    our current $ociety conspires to imprison
    - where although enforced by the u$ual Institutions
    - they are merely a (particularly visible) reflection of a legacy module in man which seeks to do only harm unto his fellow man.

    If you cut the arms off another human being - you will become more fortunate than that newly disabled other.
    The basis to human dealings within current society and especially the workplace -
    (cf competition).

    McDonalds versus Burger King - staff bonuses to encourage their armed forces until collusion kicks in and their war victims are cut off without even a pension, whereupon the CEOs of McDonalds and Burger King join forces under shroud of anonymity (Mr Burns from the Simpsons) to disable absolutely everybody else.

    They arrange meetings in exclusive golf clubs for their equally sick friends in alcohol, cigarette, oil and automobile vending.

    Industries based on addiction to limiting raw materials; information's
    gonna'
    getcha'

    boys
    .

    Whether through direct funding or supporting a series of corrupt regimes - the alliance between rich Western government and oil has lead to all of our (stark exposure of all of our) problems.

    Victim soldiers are sent to their death to maintain the rotten status quo of inequality in wealth; religion is perverted to generate deeply polarised fundamentalists who seek only harm.

    One can only become religious through gaining an understanding - the priest is no more than a teacher who in time should no longer be required.
    Mental maturity and adulthood can occur as early as our mid-30's up until which point we are not capable of knowing our own mind.
    As early as our mid-30's conditional though on a couple of factors.

    Avicenna and Peirce make it happen could make it all go away.

    The human being (period) is a terrorist
    - until his mind brought to the fore.
    No doubt
    - this single statement helps to make sense of the nonsensical systems which human beings appear to accept life under.

    ~*~

    Nothing matters other than killing the savage within;
    any attempt to create a functional society will fail whilst the {savage,terrorist,animal} within (innate within all of us at birth) is afforded freedom of expression
    - expression of behaviour
    - behaviour within society
    - society of inequality
    ensues.

    {{{ Original sin }}}


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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    People are not aware that the real reason why they feel the pull to the workplace (perhaps more evident when one considers the fear of being out of the workplace) as explained away by the social structure into which they then fit.

    Image

    Sinking down into a comfortable chair.


    That drive to be in the workplace is not actually related to money earned there or community necessity of task performed
    - it's (instead) related to that other basic human need (to be within a social structure).
    Sinking down into as comfortable a chair as possible.

    The need to work certainly does exist - though this need is not (exactly) the same as the need to be in the workplace.

    The need to be in the workplace relates to a a need to be within a social structure which does not (with evolution of mind) ... ...
    - which does not require physical proximity between people.

    The social structure into which people seek their place is a real dynamic geometric structure which absolutely does exist (though invisibly so - within virtual (informational) space).

    The need to work (as opposed to the poorly understood draw to the workplace) is better understood as the drive to generate a scalable, sustainable infrastructure for all people (particularly future generations) to have ever increasing fun.

    This idea neatly connects ToE to the desire which all people feel to protect children.

    ToE is a Theory of Evolution.

    The consequence of our false understanding in the human need for work (defined properly above)
    and
    our false understanding of our desire to be in the workplace (defined properly above)
    alongside the true understanding of the need to contribute to one~community
    (->- the true basis to the human need for work and workplace)

    'the global workplace'
    - results in society being constructed over two incompatible prime directives.

    There is only room for one prime directive.

    It's impossible to simultaneously worship the savage within
    --- and ---
    the properly human drive for society -
    - it's impossible to adorn the illusion of separateness whilst building functional community (lifting the illusion of separateness).

    This simple idea provides us with an understanding of why our society is in the (multiply cross-confounded) poor shape that it's in.

    Multiply cross-confounded -
    - most clearly seen in the (at least currently) nature of the side-by-side existence of a private and state employed workforce.
    These two sectors (as currently set up) are wholly incompatible.

    The evolution of man is set to result in one social structure into which all humans will fit.

    Until this single structure forms there will be criminal warring competition between the many smaller dispersed networks (the country, the continent, the football team, the private corporation, the actor) for (perceived) pride of place.

    Point

    Competition will continue until this end-point (one structure) is reached -
    - a single social structure within which all of man (local minds) are to be found (converged within (compatible (logically inter-consistent within) with)).
    The actual point of all of the many competitive systems which we have in place (within normal life) has been to generate one~system.

    If we spend a moment considering why we care about any of the competitive practices within which we compete -
    we'll find that the urge to succeed (beat another human being) without logical basis.

    A drive without any consciously stated logical backing
    - not needing to be though through seeming (this behaviour)
    - the right thing to do -

    - if one now can see the overwhelming mind-bypassing nature of that drive (desire)
    without need to justify (with a logic) itself -
    - one thereby gains an understanding of the nature of 'desire'
    - 'desire' as an unbalanced savage motivation -
    ... ... ... we gain an understanding of the module which properly built mind seeks to expunge.

    'To have eyes which actually actually actually cannot see by definition of the sequential evolutionary nature of man (mind)'

    ~*~

    The (of course idiotic) drives:
    - to increase sales in order to take market share from xyz Corp.
    - for one's football team to beat another and dominate the league
    - to convert others to one's religion until there are no others
    - to invade another country until there are no others
    - to stamp out another's cultural heritage until there is only yours left

    - all simply completely misunderstood drives to arrive at a single unified global system.

    Unfortunately though the act of convergence in people is resulting in the destruction of good diversity.
    We're running the risk of homogenization (and not supporting diversity) in the process of convergence.

    The aggression ('to increase sales ... ...') which marks out competitive practices as (and thoroughly ironically)
    then
    in the name of peace -

    - fighting for peace -
    actual killing people in the name of (at least if we peek under the motivation)
    ... all in the name of peace

    - it's time that we realize this one idea and call an end to (by exposure and understanding) the (hitherto unconscious) drive to consume planetary life-affirming diversity in the process of frenzy towards global peace.

    If we don't, we'll arrive at convergence without anything to do - no more stuff to play with.

    Information (at least currently) requires a little physical raw material for relay; ever less by the day (it must be admitted) though.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Simple Summary

    • Human beings wants stuff.
    • Two competing sets of desires (animal and human) define the stuff which the human being covets for himself.
    • Society splinters.
    • Realization and Solution of the problem (death to the savage within, and with his death - an end to selfish desire) when one learns how to convey the nature of the problem as intuition into the mind of all people.
    • The nature of the problem is immediately understood when the individual is unable to answer the question of why 'winning (in strict context of beating another human being)' appears to matter so to him?
    • There is no answer to this question because beating another human being does not matter
      - is quite the opposite to a meaningful marker of success.
    • The (that) individual's prime directive - conferred by the savage within is confounded out of place and into the open where it is consumed by the fires of a new better (species-level) sustainable and scalable framework within which higher desires may operate
      - unencumbered by the stupefyingly dull need to beat other people, we turn our attentions to improving ourself -
      improving ourself in a manner in which others applaud
      - in which others applaud because they themselves gain.
    ~*~

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Just one idea.

    Limiting physical resources.
    Unlimited informational.

    Do we enjoy movies? games? books?
    virtual virtual virtual

    Ever increasing resolution [quality] in movies, games and picture books?
    virtual - them all.

    I believe (am pretty sure) that concentration on construction of a hierarchical abstraction (informational) layer which we're free to explore with impunity
    (because it's not limiting)
    - results in our own brains changing structure in such a manner that our capacity for stimulation from external reality (nature - the natural ecosystem) increases concomitantly.

    ~*~

    More simply

    - that if we concentrate on building our mind (on developing methods for pure stimulation of the human mind using informational resource) and deviate (almost completely) from breaking the real (physical world) -

    - that -

    the consequence of building a mind which is capable of enhanced abstraction in the informational realm will be rewarded with the capacity to gain more stimulation from the natural realm.

    reference:




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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    Just realized if one separates the two hemisphere's thought processing, of serial finite processing, from the parallel infinite processing, one can easily interpret and understand the entire holistic__Clearly. The infinite can process both the universal and particular, yet the finite can only process the particular__of course this is known, but purposely separating the two hemisphere's actions, is less well known. There are articles on the web about out of phase hemispheres of improper functioning brains...rrr
    More later__busy right now...
    The essential teachings of Hinduism
    K.Brown
    p 133

    "In Hindu imagery, the left is symbolic of the transcendental, the right of the terrestrial."
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