East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

Just one idea.
Limiting physical resources.
Unlimited informational

The essential teachings of Hinduism
K.Brown
p 133

"By reining in the senses we gradually move back and back from the material world towards the divine self."

~*~

wikiP/Richard_Feynman

... ... at John Lilly's famed sensory deprivation tanks, as a way of studying consciousness.

~*~

Two paths:
excess sensory stimulation (cf The Beatles)
insufficient sensory stimulation (cf. wikiP/Brain_in_a_vat)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

It'd be nice if senior representatives (the people who control their armies) from America and the Islam nations 'd stop their war for a week or so and explain the nature of the work and similarities between just two of their people
(that's just one each)

- of Peirce and Avicenna -

- after which one would hope an understanding they might reach.

This whole post is truly excellent SB. It points us to the center of the solution. Here's two great men, from eras a 1000 years apart, from the two main mis-understanding nations' sources__Who thought highly maturely about all things, and yet said almost identical ideas. Now, if we could just put this huge concept into a TV and movie series__Just think how much the world would gain...

A point on your other posts: There's another side to competition, and that's to compete to gain the floor of understanding platform__So one's better ideas may be heard by a yet deaf world. Just think what you and I could do with say; a trillion dollar$, just for proper information di$$emination. I know if I compete long enough for that pur$e what I'll use it for, as I long ago told a lawyer of mine__I'd use TV, radio, movies, schools and all other possible media to spread the word of personal, social and societal system maturity...

I'd start my own schools of socially mature reality, all over the land. I'd be in constant production of TV, rado and movies, cartoons whatever, on and on__Non-stop, to get the more mature message out... I just don't gut' the money...

The Peirce-Avicenna Documentary of Arabic/American Samenesses__Instead of differences...rrr

P.s.
I seek money to expand awareness__Of course, I may buy myself a new motor-cycle and race car__Too... Popularity spreads information...rrr

[SB_UK]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

This argument is a contemporary version of the argument given by Descartes in Meditations on First Philosophy (which he eventually rejects) that he could not trust his perceptions on the grounds that an evil demon might, conceivably, be controlling his every experience.

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the story told in the very first episode of Star Trek.
~s~

Capt. Pike is held prisoner and tested by aliens who have the power to project incredibly lifelike illusions.

- this same one idea updated and repackaged for a modern audience within the movies 'the Matrix' and 'Total Recall'.

~*~

The solution to the question (of what is real) may be found in ToE.

If all of reality can be built on top of one simple geometric progression -
then we can be as sure as we can be (sure to the point of effective certainty)
- that all of this is real -
- both real and generated by a simple process of self-assembly.

Intelligence effectively (as a verb) without the need for an intelligent noun to bring reality within bounds of clime.

[SB_UK]

The Peirce-Avicenna Documentary of Arabic/American Samenesses__Instead of differences...

That would indeed be sweet.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

This argument is a contemporary version of the argument given by Descartes in Meditations on First Philosophy (which he eventually rejects) that he could not trust his perceptions on the grounds that an evil demon might, conceivably, be controlling his every experience.

And the same story, Descartes copied from Avicenna's 'Flying Man' metaphysical story, which is similar to Plato's 'Cave...'rrr

The geometry of thought scales__eternally...
Intuition can exceed math...
Intuition can not exceed geometry...

Desargues perspective scaling changes...


A diagram of perspective.
In geometry, two triangles are perspective (or homologic) if, when the sides of each triangle are extended, they meet in three collinear points.

[SB_UK]

... a trillion dollar$ ...

It looks as though - judging by the rate at which money is losing its worth
--- that ---
we're either going to have to hope that either enough has been done already or that this idea can be spread without the need for money.

Presumably the economic bailouts and cash printing exercise appeared successful because of the x10 multiplier which banks use to artificially expand the money supply.

These measures were temporary
- the calm before the storm -

- a storm which will (in effect) kill money.

[SB_UK]

And the same story, Descartes copied from Avicenna's 'Flying Man' metaphysical story, which is similar to Plato's 'Cave...'rrr

The geometry of thought scales__eternally...
Intuition can exceed math...
Intuition can not exceed geometry...

I absolutely agree.

Potential for consciousness/thought to scale (structure) eternally via geometric progression
- using an infinite matrix which is there for no reason other than it has to be
(for us to be here).

There's no such thing as nothing -
for if there were
then
something'd fall in.
~paraphrase~

We're predicated upon {eternity,infinity} though are restricted (our Universe of action) to existence within a structured digital reality
- a structured reality which ~by definition~ makes sense.

[SB_UK]

excellent - thanks.

Avicenna's 'Suspended Man' Hypothesis [link]

Indeed, he does not need the body in order to know the soul and perceive it. But if he is a dullard, he will have to turn to that way [and rely on the body to gain a knowledge of the soul].

that is exactly it.

oil -> wealth -> selfish desires -> material possessions -> body -> sensory -> dullard.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

These measures were temporary
- the calm before the storm -

- a storm which will (in effect) kill money.

If we kill money, then we gotta' use computer chips__Fine with me... But it's gutta' be properly organized__The Biggie...rrr

[SB_UK]

Desargues perspective scaling changes...


A diagram of perspective.
In geometry, two triangles are perspective (or homologic) if, when the sides of each triangle are extended, they meet in three collinear points.

~s ADDf ~

So there can be more than one working hypothesis to explain a given phenemenon?

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