East Meets West Logic...

[SB_UK]

The point counter-point of dialectic merges with the two duals of dialogia to generate a

tetrahedral

structure.

From previously

\\/ dual 1
\\....+
/\\ dual 2
//\\
///\\ - direction



dual 1 .... dual 2

At n=24 [24 2xduals] generate ring closure
- 'Moebius gears'

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The point counter-point of dialectic merges with the two duals of dialogia to generate a structure.[The two systems inter-actions__Geo-nature's actions on Bio-nature's functions__A simple 90% to 10% function, or there-abouts'. This simplifies Bio-nature's psychological(dialectic dialogia) functions...]

From previously

\\/ dual 1
\\....+
/\\ dual 2
//\\
///\\ - direction



dual 1 .... dual 2

At n=24 [24 2xduals] generate ring closure
- 'Moebius gears'

Moebius gears is Geo-nature acting on Bio-nature__In scalable geometric ToE(theory of evolution) fashion__For the eternity of bio-life's existence. The mistake__The missing peices__Everybody just ignores Geo-nature's actions on Bio-nature. This is a simple geometric process to understand__Simpler than even I had realized. Kinda like I know it, but need it confirmed by another__To Know It...!!!rrr

The point counter-point of dialectic merges with the two duals of dialogia to generate a structure.

Kinda like Aiya-Oba's logic engine...
Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba
Hi Gillespie, nice to read your post.
Equator of Self-contradiction is the Absolute logic.

[SB_UK]

There exists NO collective mind__

Is there a collective mind using collective in the sense that the human genome project provides us with a sequence representing a collective genome?

Collective being used to indicate a model of rather than the basis to.

individual genome 1 + individual genome 2 + individual genome 3
average out to provide
the human genome project sequence.

However
the human genome project sequence
does not seed
individual genome 1 + individual genome 2 + individual genome 3

Collective can be used in both senses - though the more natural sense would be to use collective as progenitor (giving rise to diversity) rather than collective as simplification of naturally occurring diversity.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Is there a collective mind using collective in the sense that the human genome project provides us with a sequence representing a collective genome?

My interpretation would still be no, due to the facts as described by both Avicenna and Peirce, that the particular can only be truly described by or within the universal frame of reference__this particular/universal problem creates the fundamental incompleteness, or Einstein Gap, in all our knowledge systems, at this level. Though I am looking at it anew, with this new evolution of ideas. We can know the universal goal, but the particulars, imo, still remain only the general probabilities of the universal goals. It's like I've stated elsewhere, "The individual/particular actions/affects can only be truly grounded in the universal goals/effects/results/redemptions, etc..."

Collective being used to indicate a model of rather than the basis to.

The only viable model I can see is the genericity of probabilities of goals, already offered by Boole to Jevons, Peirce and Keynes, etc. At the super-depth levels, we always seem to run the risk of missing the universal flow of the Geo over the Bio. Now, whether this holds or not, especially with these new ideas, I don't yet know...

individual genome 1 + individual genome 2 + individual genome 3
average out to provide
the human genome project sequence.

But, only partially__So far...

However
the human genome project sequence
does not seed
individual genome 1 + individual genome 2 + individual genome 3

True enough... Still further to go__but we're gaining on 'er...rrr

Collective can be used in both senses - though the more natural sense would be to use collective as progenitor (giving rise to diversity) rather than collective as simplification of naturally occurring diversity.

Where (giving rise to diversity) vs. (simplification of diversity), I am always referring to the latter, as I'm always looking for the simplifyer, since information(massive data form) is more than people can handle in the raw. I'm still thinking about this 90%/10% Geo-Bio-collective simplification of diversity process, which our conversation has accidently stumbled onto__as my main course right now...

Explanation of Geo on the Bio:
What I mean by the Geo acting on the Bio is that, if not clear, 90% of the outside collection of bio-mind's actions/habitus are reflected into us passively, and only about 10% is directed by us intentionally_if that. So psychological intentionalities have a far smaller influence in and on our reflected, and re-reflected actions back into the collected intentionalities of the greater world. It may be only about 1% personal action's intentionalities, and 99% geo-actions, and by geo I simply mean that photonic images and words enter completely passively, by her natural unimpeded actions, undeterred by humans. I think this must be considered, with more care than has thus far been thought...

If we're ever to get a handle on this, we are going to have to realize, the minds need much more guidance than has thus far been thought...

[SB_UK]

The idea sounds like the generation of an extreme

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and then a defining other extreme.

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The two extremes then form a smooth normal distribution.
....<- equator of self contradiction
|_/|
|_/|\_| <- side on

The curve then twists and the curve (from above) (side on)

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repeats the same basic procedure.

|___/|
|___/|\___|
|__/_|_\__| <- side on

->-

|
|
|

~*~

generation 1 -> generation 2 -> generation 3 (reprise to frame of context of generation 1)

... the lil' minds need much more guidance than has thus far been thought...

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and

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are in the same frame

- are orthogonal to

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[SB_UK]

ADDF::Stabile

Intellectual maturity only arising in our mid-30's at the earliest (if that).

The current pattern of Western education which favours details over the bigger picture -
over the bigger picture because of the difficulty in peering into another's cluttered jargon filled yard ... ... ...

The current pattern of Western education slicing, dicing and putting good little boys and girls into restrictive pigeon holes -
blinkers on
and
told never to dare to peer out.

~*~

Happiness isn't possible without a Systems level education; without obtaining a global overview (simultaneously alongside a locally intricate ref. phd perspective
(I strongly suspect)) .

An overview (or both a locally intricate and global generalist overview) which takes time because of the need for the individual to digest information in their own time.

The ever increasing co$t of education and need to pay one's own way works to the colossal detriment of proper education
- where proper education rewards the lucky recipient with a properly educated mind
- a real conformational change in structure
- a properly educated mind from which true rewards are reaped
-- since --
- the promised land may now be proven to lie within.

Education bears the key

[Lloyd Gillespie]

A Model__Geo-Bio-Resistance to Bio-Processing...rrr

Just think how difficult it truly is, to get one bit of good information processed__in a thousand bad-bit conspiracy against ya... 'The Gods are in conspiracy against us__Until we change the Gods...'

The current pattern of Western education slicing, dicing and putting good little boys and girls into restrictive pigeon holes -

blinkers on and told never to dare to peer out.

Yes, and here's the problem__Far too much concentration on the particular, and being told never to look at the universal, when the universal actually has the largest controlling actions__By far...

Let's just keep studying our butts off over the measly lil' ol' particular specializations. Maybe the Universal Actions' God will just tap us on the shoulder__With the right course of action...???r

Imo, one could study the specialty fields' particularities forever, and never catch sight of what's truly happening between real geo-bio-actions and pseudo-bio actions...

Happiness isn't possible without a Systems level education; without obtaining a global overview (simultaneously alongside a locally intricate ref. phd perspective

(I strongly suspect)).

You are quite correct, and this was what the world's greatest thinkers have always stated. Ireland, England and America's greatest minds were all universal thinkers, as well as particular specialists__Abalard, Wallace, Boole, Hamilton, Whewell, De Morgan, Clifford, Jevons, Keynes, Peirce, etc., as well have been the entire world nations' best__'Look in until you learn to look out, and back in and out again and again__particular, universal over and over, again and again'...

An overview (or both a locally intricate and global generalist overview) which takes time because of the need for the individual to digest information in their own time.

Yeah, but ohhhh... is it worth it...

The ever increasing co$t of education and need to pay one's own way works to the colossal detriment of proper education

- where proper education rewards the lucky recipient with a properly educated mind
- a real conformational change in structure
- a properly educated mind from which true rewards are reaped
-- since --
- the promised land may now be proven to lie within.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MJA
'Education bears the key'

Imo, it's the only way, but a bit of guidance of who those great minds are__is indeed a great help__I know no other way forward...rrr

The idea sounds like the generation of an extreme

|

and then a defining other extreme.

| |

The two extremes then form a smooth normal distribution.
....<- equator of self contradiction
|_/|
|_/|\_| <- side on

The curve then twists and the curve (from above) (side on)

|
|

repeats the same basic procedure.

|___/|
|___/|\___|
|__/_|_\__| <- side on

->-

|
|
|

~*~

generation 1 -> generation 2 -> generation 3 (reprise to frame of context of generation 1)

|

and

|
|
|

are in the same frame

- are orthogonal to

|
|

[Lloyd Gillespie]

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[labelwench]

Here is Eva Cassidy's version of a song you posted some time before.

To my ear, it is particularly pleasing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWzAn...eature=related

[leskey]

Lloyd and SB, you are firing here... I can only just catch up...but am enjoying the ride.

excellent - thanks.

Avicenna's 'Suspended Man' Hypothesis [link]
that is exactly it.

oil -> wealth -> selfish desires -> material possessions -> body -> sensory -> dullard.

Perhaps in this new world, we'll also realise that we've been squandering, literally burning possibly the universe's rarest and precious resource; the product of life itself; the most fundamental ingredient in all that mankind's technological creativity can perceive and construct: OIL.

The unleashing of alterative energy sources is long overdue. Oil will remain of key importance, but conserved for other uses, if we're ever going to realize upon our wildest imaginings.