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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by labelwench View Post
    Well.......I don't know about the next 5 minutes, yet surely even in the last 5 years I have seen the evidence that major change is coming on all fronts.

    While this is indeed something to celebrate, it is also something to mourn, for not all shall emerge unscathed, or even make it through the period of dramatic transition, which, I suspect, shall take many forms.

    Yes, a New Day shall surely dawn, though few, if any, may contemplate it's visage with any accuracy.

    We make projections from known platforms and paradigms.

    What if this transition comes in a form that we have no paradigm for?
    Hi, LW.

    It took a little while to sink in, but it is striking how the destruction of the WTC towers and damage to the Pentagon has continued to echo as a metaphorically prophetic cue for all that has followed...
    But nothing's lost. Or else: all is translation And every bit of us is lost in it... - James Merrill

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by leskey View Post
    Hi, LW.

    It took a little while to sink in, but it is striking how the destruction of the WTC towers and damage to the Pentagon has continued to echo as a metaphorically prophetic cue for all that has followed...
    Hello Leskey,

    That is an exact example of a situation that was outside of the North American paradigm, at the time, although the response was felt even here in the Yukon, as a Korean Aircraft was escorted in to land at the Whitehorse Airport.

    Schools and government buildings were evacuated, and many people were leaving town as well, with no one being allowed in.

    My mother, who was 65 at the time, had not had the news on and was merrily on her way to a dental appointment, and found it odd that most shops had closed up. She does not carry a cell, so I could not phone her, but I was not too concerned, as she is very capable, and would make the decision she felt most comfortable with.

    I recall that it was a Tuesday, as later that night, we met in town at KFC, it being Tooney Tuesday, and the restaurant being one of but a few restaurants that had gotten regrouped and reopened on that tragic day.

    Also, all of those innocent people on the diverted airline needed to be fed and cared for, and our town people pitched in and cared for them, although they were not allowed off the plane.

    And I think of the terror of that poor pilot, his English very limited, just doing his job, to be suddenly aware that he would be shot out of the sky if any of his actions were misinterpreted.

    Our airport is barely large enough to accomodate the size of the craft he was flying and he had never flown in this region, having been diverted away from all major centers. He had to circle once or twice to get proper position, and all of our EMO resources were deployed in the event of anything untoward happening upon landing.

    Yes, I rather expect we are going to have to write the script as we go along.

    Thank you for your observations, Leskey.
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    wikiP/carbonaceous chondrite
    kerogen (C-H) <- belly fat
    catalyzed by
    olivine (Fe)
    to
    H2O

    magnetism and diamagnetism.

    iron
    ... ... Fire -> water -> Fire ... ...
    ... ... God -> Mary -> Jesus ... ...

    magnetic -> diamagnetic -> magnetic

    Diamagnetism needs to be connected orthogonally to magnetism in order to resist magnetism without itself being magnetic
    - the orthogonal cogs in 'Moebius gears' (n=24) (== the Lorenzian butterfly at n=24).

    the north pole of magnet meets south pole of magnet

    combine in duality

    [north-south]

    only when (cf. quantum wave collapse)
    [north -/- south] (plane xy)

    balanced in orthogonal plane to plane of parental duality

    [south -/- north] (plane yz)

    \\\\/ butterfly wing
    \\\\
    \\
    /\\ butterfly body

    butterfly wing

    ~*~

    Quote Originally Posted by LLoyd
    Chemical energy is mechanical energy
    Universal Motion ('external' reality) drives evolution to generate the n=24 Lorenzian attractor proton (self-contained) -
    a self-reflective 'illusionary' individualized structure which is comprised of
    - the two wings of the butterfly
    - of two hierarchical orthogonal layers (Moebius gears) which together dual to generate a single structure following recursion around (of the two) in a circle -

    - 1 revolution of the wheel
    - resulting in ring closure (cf. the Moebius strip).

    ~*~

    The goal?

    - a mechanism for magnetic structures to generate ever more evolved magnetic structures to generate ever more evolved magnetic structures ... ... ...
    - the packaging of energy into its globally most stable form - resulting in evolution to most efficient geometry -
    towards elegant mathematical complexity.

    An evolutionary process which generates a hierarchy and then a hierarchy of hierarchies -
    and then a hierarchy of hierarchy of hierarchies ... ...
    and so it continues... ... ...

    where the definition of an ever more evolved magnetic structure would be a definition based around mathematical complexity and not overall dipole moment

    - the goal to generate a both efficient and strong magnet -
    and not just a very large magnet
    cf.
    The efficient surface:volume ratio, high surface area to low volume occupied (the human chest) of the lung.

    ~*~

    Electromagnetism represents duals of motion
    -> <-

    (a transduction from Universal motion)

    Universal motion represents the Universal motivation
    - to generate ever greater complexity -

    - the mechanism of generating ever greater complexity involving water as middle-woman between father and son.

    ~*~

    Woman stabilizes man -
    - in return for being given something
    yawn!
    interesting to do.

    Girls just wanna' have (ever scalable good,wholesome) fun, after all -
    - where men (at least up until now) just seem to want to kill themselves in some pointless war or other.

    How interesting are {we,they}?

    ~*~

    Funny (not haha!) how 'spending more time with one's wife and children' is a politician's euphemism for failure; is a politician's euphemism for what is actually the only worthwhile pursuit - and why do they do it ?
    - because -
    politicians are savages (bear the mindset of a savage - immature structure of mind) and worship only that former animal mindset when fighting for supremacy (without need for logical argument) was all there was.

    The politician bears a disabled mind.
    As the politician celebrates victory in an election -
    we all (including the politician) lose.

    Public service (at least up until now (by the politician)) has been entirely self-serving.

    Give me all your money! and a place on the lucrative after dinner speech circuit.
    How the leaders of industry will quip as their even more corrupt role models pat them on the back for doing so well.

    The entire basis for government (the political systems which our world is currently unfortunate enough to bear) is incorrect; it's impossible to know whether a political party introduced a bad policy - and whether their opposition would have faired any better.

    Current National politics can only ever be an exercise in rabble(the electorate)-rousing by incitement through ever more vitriolic name-calling; there is no equivalent of the scientific (logical,sensible) process in current 'real world' politics.

    Current real world political systems deliver election victories of one party over the other through incitement of hate.

    In the course of genomic optimization, the phenomes which house genomes would battle for supremacy -
    - however all of that was supposed to end when we hopped offa' the Tree of Life and commenced our ascent of the memome (Tree of Knowledge).

    Memomes behaving like phenomes with genomes
    - when they're one stage removed ... ...
    - however all of that was supposed to end when we hopped offa' the Tree of Life and commenced our ascent of the Tree of Knowledge
    - an ascent which is described at the start of the Old Testament (the 'garden' in the Book of Genesis) and which completes at the end of the New (the Book of Revelation).

    ~*~

    The Book of Genesis (or Bereshith) is the first book of the Hebrew ... ... ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Genesis

    where

    The Book of Revelation is the last book of the New ... ... ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Revelation

    Quote Originally Posted by lw
    Yes, I rather expect we are going to have to write the script as we go along.
    'The record ends and we ~begin~ again ... ... ...'
    ->-
    ' back to the garden'

    DJ Shadow + Joni Mitchell
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...


    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    First. The dynamics to this system have been well known since Spain's specie point of 'New World' gold collapse, by having too much gold at its center city__thus causing massive inflation. Probably the first Empire to collapse from too much wealth__They priced themselves out of the then-global market__Economic facts well known...


    Corporate Profiteering in the Wake of 9/11/01[link]
    It is widely known that the profits of oil and gas companies and of weapons manufacturers soared in the years immediately after 9/11/01, largely as a consequence of the invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which were predicated on the myth
    that al Qaeda perpetrated the attack.

    The 9/11 terrorists were mostly Saudi. Suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudi. And we're allies? [link]
    ... .... besides the fact that we've known since a month after 9/11 that the vast majority of the WTC terrorists were Saudi?

    just gimme all ya' money a'right


    'Probably the first (though definitely not the last) Empire to collapse from too much wealth__'



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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    How Does A Particle/Wave See, Hear and Talk To A Particle/Wave…?

    1.The fundamental scientific mechanics of logical a priori necessity__First…

    2.Logic__The necessary scientific method of mind before thought…

    3.Experience and necessity__Action first…

    4.Man/Woman/Child__Nature’s only scientifically able creatures…

    5. The triadic universal is the scaling agent of the dyadic opposites__into the new common sense...

    6.The soul’s invalidity__Its historical evolution to invalidity…

    7.Spirit and intuition without geometry is not spirit and intuition…

    8.The physiology of logical necessity__Physical organ required…

    9.The necessary a priori__Matter first, to contain images/thought…

    10.The axiom of necessary liberty…

    11.Individual freedom necessitates moral liberty…

    12.Mind on a pedestal__No__Logical brain mechanics first…

    13.The logical brain/mind mechanics of geometric imaging…

    Are we all in a fog of thinking we are grounded, when we are truly not…? What is your fundamental ground__Before first thought…? I think we can explore all of the physical and mental universe, by just honestly answering these questions__And I do mean, all of quantum and relative mechanics, as well as all of brain, mind and thought mechanics__from all emotions to all scientific methods and answers. It’s simply a very short distance from quantum mind to all of quantum and relative physics__as a matter of fact, I’ll simply state, ‘It’s one and the same…’

    When physics can answer the title question, we’ll(the general concensus) grant it true ground__But not until… The skeptic holds all the cards in this question alone__and physics, philosophy and psychology will always be out on an invalid limb, until they venture a truly grounded logical answer to this first, and most important fundamental question__Basically, “What is mind, and how does it work…?”

    I’ll leave everyone to ponder the question, and the few clues I’ve posted, and return later…rrr
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    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...


    ........o......o
    .............O
    ............u

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    How Does A Particle/Wave See, Hear and Talk To A Particle/Wave…?
    - by being on the same wavelength, tuning into the same frequency and resonance.

    The generic term 'species' characterized by particular profile of frequency
    -eg-
    EM wave and EEG.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post

    ...o......o
    ........O
    .......u



    - by being on the same wavelength, tuning into the same frequency and resonance.
    Simple answer__Now give the complex quantum and physical specifics. What are wavelengths, frequencies and resonances grounded in, and how do they set up inter-communication__Life...?rrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
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    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances
    Schumann resonances are the principal background in the electromagnetic spectrum between 3–69 Hz, and appear as distinct peaks at extremely low frequencies (ELF) around 7.83, 14.3, 20.8, 27.3 and 33.8 Hz.



    34Hz -> 27 Hz -> 20 Hz -> 14 Hz -> 8 Hz (the daydream)
    --->--- pattern of human evolution --->---

    The frequency is dropping in units of 6-7 Hz at each stage
    - leading to an exponential increase in the wavelength.

    eg
    v __1____1____1____1____1____1
    f __12
    ___10___8____6____4____2
    w __0.08
    _.1___.12__.17__.25__.5

    ~*~

    So - a regular step-wise decrease in frequency with increased evolutionary state of the energetic construct
    - actually representing an exponential increase in the 'surface area' attributable.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    grounded in the divine

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    Vedanta is based on two simple propositions:
    1. Human nature is divine.
    2. The aim of human life is to realize that human nature is divine.
    intercommunicate because of inter-connectedness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Einstein
    spooky!
    One continuous sheet of paper comprising the unsynchronized standing wave -
    - which following synchronization
    - gives us our structured continuous Universe of action.

    Human nature is divine.
    All of reality is divine.

    Divine meaning that at the most fundamental level
    - reality consists of a matrix of Planck length standing waves -
    - a pluripotent amorphous substrate



    awaiting amotion to structure



    - awaking - awaiting a call to metaphorical arms.

    ~*~

    Life in a society which teaches us to worship rich buffoons is thoroughly meaningless
    - impossible to comply.

    The crazy part is that most people (deep down) know that money is bad -
    and yet still they push -
    - well at least it's something to do
    they suspect -

    as though would
    'killing thine neighbour'
    (which it actually does indirectly happen upon being)

    - killing thine neighbour and all future generations (of course including their own)

    - time for our dollar ragged species to awaken to the truth.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    ADDf::Stabile
    'when human beings talk - far more information is exchanged than is contained within the words which are used'
    ~paraphrase~
    Communication of sense is occurring on a whole different level.

    Interconnectedness of all structures with resonance between all individuals within a species (broad sense - and not restricted to jus' lil' 'ole life)
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