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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by _ View Post
    ... ... solved by education for all (of course including women).
    The savage male is maintained in place by witholding education to female.

    The savage male behaves like an animal.

    The properly human male seeks duality with just one female.

    The savage male abuses women.

    Only the savage male is capable of rape and crimes against children.

    Properly male -
    the pair bond.

    The savage -
    - how about this as an example of the savage within allowed to roam free and set the global agenda because of all of that money.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Laden
    Sheikh Mohammed bin 'Awad bin Laden, a Yemeni immigrant to Saudi Arabia was a wealthy investor, businessman and patriarch of the bin Laden family. He married 22 times and fathered at least 54 children.
    The virulent tendency of clonal expansion.
    Mitosis and not Meiosis (recombination to better).

    ~*~

    Really
    ... ... was a wealthy investor, businessman and patriarch of the bin Laden.
    -
    - money is bad

    - inequality in wealth seeds terror.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    ~The Independent~
    Sahinal Monir, a slim 24-year-old from the deltas of Bangladesh. "To get you here, they tell you Dubai is heaven.
    ... ...
    As soon as he arrived at Dubai airport, his passport was taken from him by his construction company.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Laden
    Mohammed bin Laden's enormous financial success was ascribed to a shrewd business sense, fealty to Saudi Arabia's rulers, reliability and a willingness to offer the lowest bid on construction contracts.
    Religion is giving credibility and safe harbour to rich criminals and their actions.

    The politician who wears a poppy on one side on Armistice day
    whilst
    sending troops into die in the poppy fields of Afghanistan with the other.

    Why (to all of this)?
    Money, power

    and Why are criminals tolerated by religion
    ?
    1. Because our current ridiculous world insists that money and power is required for us (for any and everything) to survive
    2. Because the religious institution has lost its way and itself seeks money and power.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
    Quote Originally Posted by Greybeard,Huxley,Kipling
    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins...
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    We don't need much -
    - and if I'm not mistaken -
    requiring ever less by the day.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Accord between all of the major world religions could make all of the bad stuff go away -
    (throwing in Western science for good measure also).

    ~*~

    Religious hatred could not persist if religious leaders unravelled their prophet's metaphors to reveal that all of their chosen prophets were singing from the exact same hymn sheet.

    One~world under One~God

    ~*~

    There is only ~one~reality formed from evolution by ~one~ very simple and specific geometric progression

    - just ~one~

    ... ... ... ~one~ which gives us all of what we see and feel around us today.

    --- ToE

    ~*~

    Take away religious divisiveness by actually explaining (no lies permitted) the words of their chosen prophets and the savage dies -
    - maintain ignorance and the ridiculous world in which we live remains
    at least until it collapses
    (where collapsing it is currently)

    either way (voluntarily or involuntarily)
    sense
    will
    prevail -

    - one route joyous the other painful ... ... ...

    'bout time to test whether all of those words which suggest that parents love their children
    were
    meant.
    The Judas Kiss.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Crisis of Personal Consciousness and Civic Consciousness:

    Everyone wants to write as though they were exempt from our problems of civic consciousness, yet are thoroughly blind to their own personal consciousness crisis. Take a good hard look at Sandoz’s article; It’s about no-one on Earth being exempt from the globe's massive problems of histories' mentalities of consciousness evolution__This includes the Buddhist who improperly interprets love, as nothing more than the self-love lies of his/her own experiential egos__as well as all educated and academic intellectuals who improperly interpret knowledge, as nothing more than the self-knowledge lies of his/her own ego experiences__No-one on Earth is exempt from the self-demon of fallible experiential methods of false knowledges and interpretations of...

    It was long ago proved there was only one method to avoid the fallible pitfalls of experiential love of the self-ego__And that just happens to have been the scientific method, put forward by the middle period Persians. We can all indulge our personal Experiences until the ends of our sad lives, but the true light of day will never be encountered__Until one realizes, only the scientific method of grounded proofs is possible of finding and knowing any truths about either personal consciousness or public consciousness__And that takes a great deal of understanding, about “Breaking on through, to the other side”, as mentioned in Jim Morrison’s words. Most are completely unaware of what this truly means__It’s much more than the simple experiential worship of dead gurus and fallacious academics and pseudo-religious leaders. It’s understanding the honest truths within all the lies of these same people__Seeing the real civic consciousness created by these same lies, that actually creates the firm social fabric/habitus, which holds all hope and society together__as a functioning social entity...

    Yes, the preacher, teacher, academic, intellectual, businessman, lover or and greedomites all have their evil ways and lies, but the point all miss is just what Ellis Sandoz and Kolakowski speak of__That all and extreme important essence spirit of social consciousness, that pervades all societies__In good times, as well as bad times. And, it’s these bad times where the social/civic spirit of nations must be restored__and it won’t be restored by individual over-worship of the personal ego-experiences, when it’s truly the social fabric of institutions and systems that are really in need of the repairs. So, throw away the idiosyncratic self-worships of self-egos and all historical egoistic gurus and other such creatures, and try to see for the first time in your lives__The true civic consciousness, that really controls our livesrrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Everything we know has an energetic component.

    A simple model for energy can be found in the Planck length standing wave matrix.

    Evolutionary structures form from a regular pattern of evolution occurring in this matrix -
    - the extent of evolution to complexity being determined by energetic availability.

    Emergent structures have a rhythm (like the pulsar)
    light - dark - light

    This section may not make sense


    I want to make the statement that with higher complexity
    - that each newly emergent structure supplies an 'attractive' force (somehow through its emission frequencies?)
    (kinda' like a magnet magnetizes)
    on its species.

    So - evolution to a more complex magnet (stronger) -
    which then magnetizes individuals within its species.

    The pulsar which seeks others with whom to resonate?

    ~*~

    Emergent evolutionary event :
    a brood, epiphany, gestalt or crystallization event.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    Emergent evolutionary event :
    a brood, epiphany, gestalt or crystallization event.
    Just simply try to see the truths and love, the actual lies generate__And one can understand the emergent evolutionary epiphany. Seeing the global epiphany, of civic truths generated within the personal lies' crystallizations__into civic spirit and habitus, cleanses all the 'doors of perception'...rrr

    "The good, of the bad, is what everybody's blind to..." me
    "The worst of society, works the public good..." Atiquity
    "There were no crimes, until lawyers and senators made them so..." Greeks
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    The Crisis of Personal Consciousness and Civic Consciousness:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellis Sandoz,David Ramsay
    "Remember that there can be no political happiness without liberty; that there can be no liberty without morality; and that there can be no morality without religion."
    Exactly - though where we need new defintions of political happiness, liberty, morality and religion.

    Religion - to understand the nature of God for oneself.
    Morality
    - an attribute (species-level civic consciousness) of the state of mind which understands the nature of God.
    Liberty - the freedom from mental and physical chains which arise when one understands the nature of God.
    Political happiness - the state of personal control or personal empowerment which comes from throwing off the false dependencies which experts seek to levy.
    "And that just happens to have been the scientific method, put forward by the middle period Persians."
    Lloyd is correct.
    Science (which leads to a logically consistent model of mind)
    leads to a personal definition of God
    - to knowing God for oneself

    -- religion
    -- morality
    -- liberty
    -- political happiness
    hitching a ride.

    --- Simply ---
    the scientific model supplies the mind with data -

    - once the mind is forced to face that data -
    - the mind *has no choice* other than to put that information into order.

    When that information is placed into order -
    - the individual can see the gap in the logically consistent model for himself
    wherein
    resides
    God.

    God :
    the potential for unimaginably greater ever escalating
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveA
    An infinite series
    life-affirming complexity (to our current mind)
    in
    store -

    - if we'd only play right.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    --- Simply ---
    the scientific model supplies the mind with data -

    - once the mind is forced to face that data -
    - the mind *has no choice* other than to put that information into order.

    When that information is placed into order -
    the individual can see the gaps in the logically consistent model for himself

    - wherein resides God.
    1.Let 'God', 'Spirit', 'All' be the social consciousness__Which it is...

    2.Let 'Scientific Method' be the personal consciousness__Which includes all emotions in their normal soul's functioning states...

    3.Let 'Necessity' be__ The 'Axiom of Survival'...rrr

    "There were no crimes, until lawyers and senators made them so..."


    P.s.
    --- Simply ---
    the scientific model supplies the mind with data -

    - once the mind is forced to face that data -
    - the mind *has no choice* other than to put that information into order.

    When that information is placed into order -
    the individual can see the gaps in the logically consistent model for himself

    - wherein resides God.
    Civic Consciousness Is Universal Consciousness__Powerful...!!!

    This is exactly what makes all these LINKS work. It's the universal induction model of complete processing of data, just as you state, "(T)he scientific model supplies the mind with data - once the mind is forced to face that data - the mind *has no choice* other than to put that information into order.

    When that information is placed into order - the individual can see the gaps in the logically consistent model for himself"

    And, it's all I'm really trying to express, "We have the emotional and intellectual capacity to fully understand all the complexities, with a 'simpler scientific model' of reality..."
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    3.Let 'Necessity' be__ The 'Axiom of Survival'...rrr
    Now would be the time for a whole buncha' unwashed religious chaps to jump onto centre stage waving their $60 trillion stash in 100 billion dollar denomination bills screaming

    'Surprise Surprise !'
    'Let's start again'


    You never do know.

    [that plus a mechanism for nuclear fusion 'd be just peachy]

    ~*~

    It's going to happen.

    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by _ View Post
    It's going to happen.
    How do you know?

    Because money's dull
    &
    Life's dull

    We're capable of so much more than this -
    at least when we're all ready.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADDF::Stabile
    Descent into an internal model of reality
    (one over which we have some contol)
    + our dearly beloved lovely (though semi-evil) concave ~pink~ dual.
    ~paraphrase~
    Too fast and we're
    Quote Originally Posted by Ellis Sandoz
    boiled frog bouillon
    - and we need the next generation interactive open source (of course) free from cost portable sound-and-light device to keep us goin'

    ... ... ... and what'll the device do?
    It'll interface with our imagination to help us be whoever we want to be.

    ... ... and why's that good?
    Because it'll supply our minds with much needed stimulation - as an entertaining approach to help us to generate increased complexity in our central nervous system.

    Please summarize in one picture?


    OK





    Total Recall - the movie.

    ~*~

    For films, books, games and other fictional worlds to captivate us so -
    - as evidence of the direction which ToE appears to be taking us.

    Ever increasing resolution in human imagination.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]


 

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