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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

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    It's going to happen.
    Yes it is__It's already happening, right before our very eyes__Now...!!!rrr


    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellis Sandoz
    Conclusion
    'And this means finding the profoundest sources of truth in the meditative life of our civilization and recovering these as living presence through the educative processes. Back to the books!'
    yay!

    ...


    Ellis like tuhhhtally rules !

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    A Link to Fyodor Dostoevsky 's The Grand Inquisitor(Christ and the Inquisitor...) that so influenced Ellis Sandoz...

    And here's the link to the entire manuscript: Link...rrr

    P.s.
    Dostoevsky's notebooks show that he was inspired to use the figure of the Grand Inquisitor after he encountered it in a play by Friedrich Schiller, Don Carlos (1785-1787). (Schiller as relates to Peirce's early education...)

    Funny, how I always seem to run into links to Avicenna and Pierce...? My daughter gave me the link to Sandoz__I didn't even know it was related to Ibn's and Peirce's studies... The best always seem to go to the same deepest thinkers...



    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    yay!

    ...


    Ellis like tuhhhtally rules !

    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    And, it's all I'm really trying to express, "We have the emotional and intellectual capacity to fully understand all the complexities, with a 'simpler scientific model' of reality..."
    /|
    /|\

    A three-fold hierarchy

    hierarchy hierarchy in the orthogonal plane to duality of [hierachy 1 and 2]
    hierarchy 1 [dual]1/ |
    hierarchy 1 [dual]1/ | \1hierarchy 2 [dual]

    as in

    )
    --()
    )



    - just 1 simple symbol which offers holistic scope over the geometry of reality.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    The Fundamental Hierarchical Triadic Hindu Geometry...


    But, must be fully interpreted into a sound and simple 'Scientific Method...'
    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    /|
    /|\

    A three-fold hierarchy

    hierarchy hierarchy in the orthogonal plane to duality of [hierachy 1 and 2]
    hierarchy 1 [dual]1/ |
    hierarchy 1 [dual]1/ | \1hierarchy 2 [dual]

    as in

    )
    --()
    )



    - just 1 simple symbol which offers holistic scope over the geometry of reality.
    True enough...rrr
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    The Grand Inquisitor
    represents Dostoevsky's personal battle (which occurs within all of us with education) between the animal (mindset of child) and properly human (mature mindset) hierarchies of (in effect) monarchy (the lion king) versus equality (anarchy).

    Children like to compete -
    - it helps them to become better.

    In time (though) and with an understanding of the world around
    - we wake up to the truth.

    The Grand Inquisitor did what he thought was best -
    a little more knowledge and he'd change
    (though)

    Christ doesn't get to speak -
    implying that the Grand Inquisitor is required to maintain the same stance from beginning to end of the novel.

    Christ offers a kiss as he is dismissed
    - because there's nothing more that he can do (at least without speaking).

    'To have eyes which cannot see'
    A lost soul.

    Quote Originally Posted by Christ
    No point wasting any more time, ehhh?
    ~*~

    This story reflects Dostoevsky attempt to grapple with two 'conflicting' realities.

    If Dostoevsky were to write the story again today -
    - the ending would have been different.

    Christ would have spoken; the overall intelligence level (because of the ease of communication of information) would have lead to Dostoevsky having a little more faith in his fellow man.

    Kinda' scary to take responsibility.

    ~*~

    The key issue in the transition of man from the security of repression towards dizzying liberty -
    - is that it's going to happen -

    - absolutely akin to a thermodynamically favourable chemical reaction.

    It'd be nice if we might be able to remove the
    'lil' Miss goody two-shoes'
    from morality (freedom,empowerment) -

    - simply our soon to be 'physical' attribute as hard is to diamond.

    moral [post-modern] man
    hard [post-graphite] diamond



    - people will soon realise that there's quite 'some' to be said about learning respect for others -
    most notably 5-10 billion people reciprocating and demonstrating mutual respect for you ... ...

    ... ... now that can't be bad .
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    ______
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    Evolution of the lower shape to encompass the pink square through attraction by resonance by a longitudinal wave passing through the manifold.

    The outgrowth from the precursor shape occurring via a transverse wave.

    |||||_ _ _ _
    |||||||||||||_______|
    _||||||||||||||___|
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    ||||||||||||||||v
    ..........transverse wave

    attracted by

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    resonance to a longitudinal wave passing through the continuous manifold
    - resulting in

    |||||||||||||_______|
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    emergent structure formation
    - whereby there's resonant transfer between the two shapes (in pink) which bear the same frequency.

    Question

    Does this idea suggest that because of the underlying continuity in the manifold that we're being pulled to resonate with a species (with a mind) frequency in some potential far distant Universe ?

    or

    Are we simply the next stage on in a geometric progression which is just as inevitable as the pathway from underlying into physics and then the chemical periodic table?

    Dunno'

    Both (with an emphasis on the lower if only because it's a little less freaky)

    ~*~

    Anyway
    - resonance in the manifold by abstraction layer -

    - each emergent structure at whichever level has a characteristic frequency which resonates with its own kind.

    ~*~

    root -1 / 0
    root -1 /
    |
    root -1 / | \ root +1 [duality]

    and then 0 becomes root -1 on the next level up.

    wikiP/Ternary_logic
    • Balanced ternary uses −1 for false, +1 for true and 0 for the third value; these values may also be simplified to −, +, and 0, respectively.
    ~*~

    p189
    Studies in the logic of Charles Sanders Peirce
    The question of how to construct an algebra of ternary and higher order relations was the next level for Peirce.

    _____ >2__
    root +1 \\\
    \\\\\\\\\\
    |
    =======
    ===
    ///////////----
    -\--
    //////////-
    >3 0\/ \\
    root -1 /__/////
    -\//
    \__ >1__ \\\__<4_\/

    order in red
    values in blue

    ~*~

    And so - the error which propagated was of a binary instead of a ternary logic.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...



    turn 90 degrees CW



    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    EEG has several limitations. Most important is its poor spatial resolution. EEG is most sensitive to a particular set of post-synaptic potentials: those which are generated in superficial layers of the cortex, on the crests of gyri directly abutting the skull and radial to the skull. Dendrites which are deeper in the cortex, inside sulci, in midline or deep structures (such as the cingulate gyrus or hippocampus), or producing currents which are tangential to the skull, have far less contribution to the EEG signal.
    Luckily the
    post-synaptic potentials: those which are generated in superficial layers of the cortex,
    Quote Originally Posted by Leskey
    on the crests of gyri
    directly abutting the skull and radial to the skull
    are the ones which really matter.




    sea -> <- fjords

    cerebrospinal fluid -> <- crests of gyri



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebrospinal_fluid
    In essence, the brain "floats" in it.

    ->-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat

    Sensory deprivation leading to the brain looking elsewhere.

    ~*~

    to be continued ... ... ...

    water,WI-FI and microwaves.
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Best to study Peirce from his original material: http://books.google.com/books?id=xq8...Peirce&f=false
    as just about everyone has mis-interpreted him...rrr

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    Question

    Does this idea suggest that because of the underlying continuity in the manifold that we're being pulled to resonate with a species (with a mind) frequency in some potential far distant Universe ? [Ahhhh, not quite...]

    or

    Are we simply the next stage on in a geometric progression which is just as inevitable as the pathway from underlying into physics and then the chemical periodic table?[And here, I'll state__Yes... Peirce's ideas of habitus, and his Gamma graphs can be used to process the Civic Consciousness back into the universal mentalities' methods, since it was the methods, that originally processed them out(habitus/values)__A return of values to scientific methods__Finally...]

    Dunno'

    Both (with an emphasis on the lower if only because it's a little less freaky)[The above is why I concentrate on the upper__We must restore global consciousness__Everyone's capable of taking care of personal I, Me, Me, I consciousness themselves. The help is needed in the area Sandoz and Kolakowski speak of... Here's a link to a new article on the mentalities' history of method: http://www.nhinet.org/meyers16-2.pdf ]

    ~*~
    root -1 / 0
    root -1 / |
    root -1 / | \ root +1 [duality]

    and then 0 becomes root -1 on the next level up.

    wikiP/Ternary_logic
    • Balanced ternary uses −1 for false, +1 for true and 0 for the third value; these values may also be simplified to −, +, and 0, respectively.
    ~*~

    p189
    Studies in the logic of Charles Sanders Peirce

    _____ >2__
    root +1 \\\
    \\\\\\\\\\|
    ==========
    ///////////-----\--
    //////////->3 0\/ \\
    root -1 /__/////-\//
    \__ >1__ \\\__<4_\/

    order in red
    values in blue

    ~*~

    And so - the error which propagated was of a binary instead of a ternary logic.
    And the ternary logic, or triadic as it was called in his day, is the logic that included the Habitus, or The Civic Consciousness, and this is what he was working on when he died. The best material exists in his Gamma Graphs, which Zeeman and Sosa have done an excellent job on interpreting and extending__It's also the area I work in... http://www.springerlink.com/content/w827t588386n7g40/
    http://www.clas.ufl.edu/users/jzeman/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_graph
    Peirce and Vasiliev preceded all the others with multi-valued logics...rrr

    P.s.
    A note to my daughter...
    Religion is the largest part of 'Habitus' Peirce was always stating. Some nations/countries are as high as 95%+ religious__How could anyone possibly do a correct Social Science, without recognizing these facts...? This is the Universal Social Consciousness affecting all of us, and not in a bad way, as greater religion civilizes the social fabric, and without its values, where does one ground moral values, except in the evil side of atheism, which often forces many academics into their false ideologies__The False Method Problem Sandoz is referring to...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    I only mentioned Dosty's 'Grand Inquisitor' as it linked Peirce and Ibn with Sandoz through Schiller, though I do like his ideas, especially 'Underground Letters'. He influenced many people.

    Books like the 'Inquisitor' and Neitzsche's 'Anti-Christ' I read with a detached eye, to just see the social implications on histories' mentalities. I can read the worst, and see the best forces operating in them__It'd be nice if everyone could read em' that way, and not develop such ridiculous superstitions and prejudices...rrr

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    represents Dostoevsky's personal battle (which occurs within all of us with education) between the animal (mindset of child) and properly human (mature mindset) hierarchies of (in effect) monarchy (the lion king) versus equality (anarchy).

    The Grand Inquisitor did what he thought was best -
    a little more knowledge and he'd change

    A lost soul.

    This story reflects Dostoevsky attempt to grapple with two 'conflicting' realities.

    The key issue in the transition of man from the security of repression towards dizzying liberty -
    - is that it's going to happen -

    - people will soon realise that there's quite 'some' to be said about learning respect for others -
    most notably 5-10 billion people reciprocating and demonstrating mutual respect for you ... ...

    ... ... now that can't be bad .
    Universal Values of Nature and Naturalism (philosophy) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy))
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    Naturalism is divided into two philosophical stances:
    • Naturalized epistemology (or Methodological naturalism or scientific naturalism) which focuses on epistemology: This stance is concerned with knowledge: what are methods for gaining trustworthy knowledge of the natural world? It is an epistemological view that is specifically concerned with practical methods for acquiring knowledge, irrespective of one's metaphysical or religious views. It requires that hypotheses be explained and tested only by reference to natural causes and events.[1] Explanations of observable effects are considered to be practical and useful only when they hypothesize natural causes (i.e., specific mechanisms, not indeterminate miracles). Methodological naturalism is the principle underlying all of modern science. Some philosophers extend this idea, to varying extents, to all of philosophy too. Science and philosophy, according to this view, are said to form a continuum. W.V. Quine, George Santayana, and other philosophers have advocated this view.
    • Metaphysical naturalism, (or ontological naturalism or philosophical naturalism) which focuses on ontology: This stance is concerned with existence: what does exist and what does not exist? Naturalism is the metaphysical position that "nature is all there is, and all basic truths are truths of nature."[2]
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.


 

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