East Meets West Logic...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Universal Spiritual Geometry of Nature…

Universal values of nature and naturalism…
The rhetorical triad__’Ethos’, ‘Pathos’, ‘Logos…’
The power of invalid validity…
Private language abstract-beliefs have the validity of existence…
Academics’ and science’s prejudice of universal values…
Science, excluding universal values, excludes science, and invalidates science…
Academics’, excluding universal values, excludes academics, and invalidates academics…
Values, excluding science, exclude values of science…
The mentalities of methods…
Proper and improper methods…
Bad method obliterates judgment…
The experiential method is far too fallible…
The scientific method is far less fallible…
Prejudiced values vs. prejudiced science…
.....1. 1st Philosophy__Universal Values__Metaphysics…
.....2. 2nd Philosophy__Universal Science__Mixed Metaphysics and Particularity…
.....3. 3rd Philosophy__Particular Science__’Closed Methodology…’
.....4. 4th Philosophy__Universal Unification Attempts and Failure…
.....5. 5th Philosophy__Final Unification__’Open ‘Methodicity…’

A New Understanding of Methodology vs. ‘Methodicity…’

If one just carefully looks at how I’ve premised this post from, ‘The Universal Spiritual Geometry of Nature…’to ‘A New Understanding of Methodology vs. Methodicity…’, one should be able to detect the problem we are all rolling around in here at ToeQuest, in trying to unify ideas, without a proper method to do so. The first ideas to understand are the thus far non-clarity of mentalities’ order of progression in history, which is mentioned last, under the numbered headings. Looking back over history, one would realize mentalities were first organized under a first philosophy of the people’s universal values, or what they early on termed metaphysics, as that was just the natural progression of mentalities’ history.

But, when they started developing particular ideas in depth, they ran into a conflict in their first philosophy, and found they needed to extend its definition and content, to account for particularities, they could not universalize, such as number, etc. So, there began the development of a second philosophy of universal science, which was the mixed ideas of metaphysics and particular sciences__as best they could delve into them, with their early crude instruments, but there shortly there-after set in the great schools battles__of which was the true ideas of the times­­__which has continued to this very day.

The developed crises of the schools of differing thought required a third philosophy to be born, which was the Greek’s early thoughts of methodology, attributed to Thales__One of the seven sages. Thales is given credit by many Greeks as being the first scientist/philosopher. Of course these are very crude sciences of methodology, but they did work for these early people, and some aspects were quite accurate, such as in astronomy and business. The point is, a methodology was necessary to quell the angered passions between the first philosophy and the second philosophy, of the times­­__and it was Thales’ methodology of science that served this purpose, which is still with us, with refinements__right to this day.

The problem is, that all through the ages of mentalities’ evolution, no-one truly noticed the damage being incurred to first philosophy’s value system, by third philosophy’s methodology__through the drastic separation and prejudice of the collective schools of thought, against universal values. This has been a slow and encroaching process, so slow, it’s been barely detectable, yet we all feel it__but it’s finally been detected, and is being written about, by several authors around the world. When thoroughly understood, in all its damaging actions, one will become aware of the power of its ability to even destroy our needed judgments of ordering proper civil societies__as has been recorded by Peter Alexander Meyers, titled ‘Method and Civic Education’.

Now that we’ve invented and used this third philosophical method for millennia, we are trying to invent a fourth philosophy of unification, which is ending in failure__Because the systems we are trying to unify are of opposite groundings. That is, the first philosophy is of open grounding, or background independence, and the second and third philosophies of science are of a closed methodology and grounding. These three systems put us in the position of the ancient Greeks trying to unite fire and ice. How’s it to be done, when the one always destroys the other…?

This is why I’m suggesting a fifth philosophical system, I’m titling ‘Methodicity’, which is an entirely new method of unification of closed and open systems__or the unification of closed methodology and open methodology. Of course, when one scans the internet, this isn’t a new word, but I’m giving it the special definition job, of uniting the opposites of closed and open systems__that is, the extremes of opposites, into new lucid conceptualisms and common sense__Which I’m really interpreting as no more than ‘Science With Values__True Universal Values...’

This would be my contribution to ‘The Universal Spiritual Geometry of Nature…’ I’ll just let this post sink in a bit, and get back to its implications later. For now, I’d recommend reading the linked article above by, Peter Alexander Meyers, titled ‘Method and Civic Education’… One can not use the old ‘Closed ‘Methodologies’ to unify the world’s many differing ideas__Imo, one must use this new ‘Open ‘Methodicity’, to unify the many differing ideas, of Earth’s many opinions and facts…rrr

[SB_UK]

verbs and not nouns

... ... ... - > 0 - >
untouchable (outside of our frame of reference)
~eg~ gravity, the space-time matrix, background noise

1 - doing - labourer
2 - inequality in doing - land and money owner
3 - fight for equality - warrior
4 - learning the trick - teacher (cf Jesus)

love (outside of our frame of reference)
- > 0 - > ... ... ...

~*~

land and money owner:
inequality in physical and virtual ownership
warrior:
against inequality in physical and virtual ownership

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Ride the wild pony__"Nature's esthetic arithmetic 'Methodicity' decides the serpent/angel spirit__every time..."rrr

"---There's a wolf in the system... He was born of your laws. He roams from Maine to California - Alaska to Florida - Hawaii to D.C., and Chicago to New York... He is a hungry wolf. He tears into your hind quarters, clear to the bone, with a vicious set of teeth. He is simply after your wallet. He is the [international] speculation wolf, and he operates legally under your floating exchange law system, to rip the very soul from your nation. He will succeed unless you try to understand how he feeds............"

"--- We need a fixed value monetary system. At the present time, we have none. Under floating exchanges, America is simply a powerful ship on an ocean, with no rudder. Old gold, silver, and other known standards will no longer work. They will not work due to the massive increases in communication's speed, the varied endowments of nations' natural resources, and encrypted international speculative opportunities. Therefore, we need a new system. INTERNAL EXCHANGE CLEARING is such a system. It is an entirely new fixed value enhancing - [production standard] - monetary system, to benefit all humankind."

verbs and not nouns

... ... ... - > 0 - >
untouchable (outside of our frame of reference)
~eg~ gravity, the space-time matrix, background noise

1 - doing - labourer
2 - inequality in doing - land and money owner
3 - fight for equality - warrior
4 - learning the trick - teacher (cf Jesus) = Aesthetics + Esthetics +...

love (outside of our frame of reference)
- > 0 - > ... ... ...

~*~

land and money owner :
inequality in physical and virtual ownership
warrior:
against inequality in physical and virtual ownership

For Incentivized Equality = The Most Admirable Possible...

The positive esthetic, arithmetic, admirable logic of Christ__>-Negativity-< is an un-necessary, unwanted essence agent...rrr

"Think only positively, to see the highest truths__Possible..."

"Positive esthetic, arithmetic, logical geometric 'Methodicity'__Fully recognizes the problems negative 'Methodology' makes...!!!"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912# Zeitgeist: Addendum__The 'Almost' True Mechanics of Money__The Banker's__Invisible Slavery to Money__The Dictatorship of The Elite__The Carrying Capacity of Earth__The Abundant Resource Based Economy...??? The Venus Project...??? Technology Over Money...???

[SteveA]

A post on Drifter's thread that you guys might find interesting regarding the central banking system.

http://www.toequest.com/forum/the-pu...tml#post102638

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The movie, 'Zeitgeist: Addendum', was already posted above, Steve...

Realize if all were to follow the advice of the movie, i.e., opting out of the existing system of money, banking and trade, without an appropriate replacement system__Everyone would be forcing the system to create far more corruption, poverty, crime, famine and war on an already over-burdened world of corruption, poverty, crime, famine and wars...

Such false-dreamers dreams' idealizations would only force the real world of 'The College of Corporatocracies' to only compete/steal faster and harder__In the real world of already bought and sold capitalist futures, of global contracts, creating nothing but a new 'Nightmare on Money Street...'

Sorry, but the movie's solution of 'The Venus Project' is not the answer__and far from it__Technologies absolutely require a hierarchical, architectural structure of sovereign liberty laws, to insure 'Safety of Real Change...'rrr

"There's no short-cut to real sustainable happiness..."

A post on Drifter's thread that you guys might find interesting regarding the central banking system.

http://www.toequest.com/forum/the-pu...tml#post102638

[SB_UK]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

They make a lot of sense.

Would just add that money set itself up as the bad guy to mobilize people into activism
(as one) -
against money.

A Unifier.

one~world and all.

~*~

As it'll turn out - people will see that they were actually forced to rebel against themselves -
- in order to overthrow 'money'

- and that *that* was actually the point of all of the nastiness of (particularly) the post-WWII period.

- whereafter
their (the rich pseudo-bad guys) work is done.

~*~

Trip to Venus ?

anybody

[melanie]

Would just add that money set itself up as the bad guy to mobilize people into activism
(as one) -
against money.

Sorry Lloyd -- great name by the way

[SB_UK]

lloyd teahesssbee

[SB_UK]

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2 orthogonal n=24 dualities.

2 hierarchies - intertwined - seeding one another.

Tree of life (physical)
to the
Tree of Knowledge (mental)

spiritual emergent property of [physical -> dual <- mental]

Novel emergent property at completion of 2 orthogonal n=24 dualities since this is the end form emergent structure.

The proton reflects

Reflection - the notion of black body radiation -
- equivalence between input and output (reflected) energy.

Energy is only taken up when it's being used to power the transition of structures to stable (freshly emergent form).

The endform (neutral) emergent structure defines an end to desire
- because desire has been all about the motivation to arrive at this very specific balanced geometry.

The desire
(which is why people chase selfish desires - material and mental wealth -> the legal patent (in effect))
cannot be interpreted correctly because of the limitations of human beings in our restriction to precedent -
how does one understand a motivation which seeks to lead us 'some place' new ?

The proton possesses this 'reflective' structure.

The quantum realm -
2 orthogonal n=24 dualities
colour and spin as two definitions of spin.

The 2 x n=24 orthogonal dualities represent the transverse and longitudinal waves evolving hierarchies in their respective frames.

Reality can be made up from a 2d-sheet (unsynchronized standing wave matrix (background noise (quantum foam (the stuff which quantum wave collapses))))
or
manifold (brane) -

- representing a hierarchical duality of evolution forming in these two contexts -
- the final form emergent structure in effect yielding a structure bearing the illusion of separation -
an apparently *though* not really separate construct.

~ -> wave
n/u -> wave with point of inflexion / shown /

whereby

n/u -> eg longitudinal (wave) context
evolution of the standing wave through its point of inflexion leads to
n/u -> into transverse (wave) context
evolution of the standing wave through its point of inflexion then leading back into its original context (though on the level above)
n/u
- and so the process repeats until at n=24
revolution
- and the structure is formed.

~*~

Quantum Colour and Quantum Spin [most notably] represent spin states in longitudinal and transverse waves arranged orthogonally to one another.

One seeds the other the other seeds the one.

The three key definitions of God are all correct

The underlying manifold -> Monism
.
nu -> Dualism
nu
.
n/u ->Trinity
n/u

~*~

All Structures are divine -
- made up from the underlying substrate -
a translation of motion.



Transduction of motion into structure (Vasuki).

However - the most notable divine structure is of the
2 x n=24 orthogonal balanced hierarchical recursive construct -

- since this structure is the start of something new.

~*~

Presumably since what we call the mind is a part of a sequential progression taking in the evolution in subatomic physics and elemental chemistry, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge

- we're informed not to chop down the Tree of Life (upon which ecosystem we were formed) and then to impart the Tree of Knowledge to all so that we can either all be happy -
- or alternatively continue our ascent.

If there's no place else to continue our ascent we won't particularly care -
- since 'desire' only kicks in when we (the structural prime directive) seeks to take us to a very specific (though absolutely unbeknownst to us) elsewhere -

- where elsewhere is the next transition towards the next more complex 2 x dual hierarchy.

[SB_UK]

It's impossible (very difficult indeed) to teach people that which they believe they already know.

This argument isn't hard -
- what will be hard though is to educate the mindset described by the economic hitman in 'Zeitgeist:Addendum' into the understanding that no matter how important it feels to them to maintain the physical hierarchy
(only one Nation's people as the 'chosen few')
for
(so they truly (referring only to the political, legal, corporate and banking people he represents)
believe) -
stability in the World

- that there are two mindsets which exist on the planet -
- one immature and the other mature (relatively)

and that their paradigm is not the right one -

-- is the mindset of the child who'd hurt another in order to steal the other's toys

-- is the mindset of the child who'd destroy another's toys if they can't work out how to steal those toys off the other.

~*~

Current world foreign National policy defined by immature minds.

Killing people is wrong.