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    East Meets West Logic...

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    Hi Gillespie, nice to read your post.
    Equator of Self-contradiction is the Absolute logic. It is the Nuclear Logic Cross of cosmic unity and Self-creator of All in all.
    There is nothing that is not an aspect of the All in all - Spacetime. This fact is the most elusive truth about the geometry of Cosmos.It is the Singularity, the Equator and common String of All in all. Hold on to it, for its the future not the past. - Aiya-Oba.

    Hi Aiya-Oba, yes this is true, but I am afraid to mention, most incomplete. This is the ground base of which science starts from, and chooses to go to the deeper levels of perspectival perceptions of the all in all. Since the beginning of organized thought, there have been three major schools of thought, which can be expressed by these three axioms;

    1.The theoretical ergodic axiom of The West is absolute creator...
    2.The theoretical ergodic axiom of The East is absolute mind...
    3.The theoretical ergodic axiom of Science is absolute substance...

    Which of the three axioms is the absolute correct truth...?
    Which of the three axioms can be proved...?

    IMO, the evidentiary logical/physical evidence is only possible for axiom #3.

    Aiya-Oba, as I'm sure you know, the goals of axiom #3 science are almost opposite of axioms 1. and 2. I am well aware of 1 and 2's goals of installing all in all, and extracting all parts from the all. This is the age old thesis of the "The One and The Many, or The Many of The One" debate. Since science already knows this thesis true, it uses it as its foundation to understand the deeper perceptions of reality, by separating the all in all into the interconnected parts, to see how the all in the all mechanically functions. The way I see the problem between East and West ideas is the East chooses a sub-quantum entanglement of ideas, to achieve a higher emotional deffinition, and the West's science chooses a sub-quantum dis-entanglement of ideas, to achieve a higher mechanical deffinition.

    After looking at the history of ideas evolutions for over sixty years, I must say it moves at a rather slow pace of discovery, and I would have to say, due to the entanglement/dis-entanglement process of the overall evolution. And, after realizing this, I made a choice to understand which axiom would achieve the fastest evolutional advancement of species. After thorough comtemplation of all psychological assessments, I fully realized axioms 1 and 2 had to be converted to 3, to achieve real physical improvement of species conditions. The psychological is useless, until put into physiological action, to improve the human condition. And this is not from light contemplation, I draw my conclusions. It is from deep study with a Buddhist friend of mine, in Maine, for over three years. My wife and her sister were also deeply involved. My wife is of the Buddhist nature, and her sister is of the western nature, due most likely to the years of their graduations from high school___wife `68___sister `66. In America, this seems to be the era of the splitting of our nations thought from western ideas toward eastern thought, yet this is still only a small minority of thinkers. And when we view the East's true views of its own processes of enlightenment, and ask the question, "How many are truly enlightened, worldwide?", the most knowledgeable eastern gurus admit to only 1% to 3%, so I ask, what good can such a small number do to stop the world's economic march toward the relinquishment of more freedoms, and closer to nuclear annialation, I get few to no answers. So, I choose the physiological side of the equation, to solve earth's dilemma, through the systems improvement of culture by the possible redemptive truthful expansions of better organizations of liberty, toward an omega point enlightenment, of total systems improvements, through systemological, universological studies___the real physiological improvements of the human condition.

    Just let me give you a few metaphoric visions that have come out of my quest to understand both mental and physical nature a bit deeper... During the three years of study and debate with my Buddhist friend, my wife and her sister came up with the best mataphors, as we were all trying to devolop a new language to describe wisdom logic and or vision logic. My wife was asked, one night, to explain how she saw our ideas progressing through her personal view of it all, and she stated it in metaphor, as that's how her mind works. She said, "I see the entire evolution as a web, like a spider web, interlinked all over the globe. In the center of this web is a heart. The heart is bleeding, to all extremities of its web. It is gushing with greed and corruption. Yet, at the same time, the whole is marching to its necessary destination." Now, all three of us thought about it and started discussing what the metaphor meant. Finally my wife said, "It's just a metaphor for the heart mind, the way my heart sees the true world of political greed and corruption, although I know it has a purpose." We accepted that, this particular night, and parted company.

    The very next morning, as her timing is usually un-impeachable, my wife's sister showed at our house, and I asked her to interpret her sister's vision. She said, "I see the same vision as the tree of liberty. I see its roots connecting up to the web of the bleeding heart, and growing into a giant beautiful tree of liberty." No more needed be said, as I could easily see the earth's entire evolution in two distinct metaphors. Now, as I mentioned earlier, my wife sees the world with the heart mind eyes of the East, and her sister sees the world with the logic mind of the West, as do I, but I thoroughly understand my wife's metaphor, and the realities of Eastern beliefs. At the same time, I see the entire visionary metaphors as a true evolutionary history of earth's past, and her full redemptive potential future, through the sound intellectual and real physical advancement of better forms of liberty, for all to enjoy. This will take massive integrations of all the inter-disciplinary studies and the sciences of___the sciences of.

    I am sorry we may think different, but I see improvement, only possible, through the above conditions.

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    Lloyd

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
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    Hi Gillespie,

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    It only takes the truth Lloyd, the equitable truth that unites us all.

    Equal will set you free.

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    The Blind 'Black Box'__Ergodicity/Equilibrium...

    History has many blind spots, but none so great as exists in political economic science, or the author should say, the non-science of political economics. Let it be stated right from the start; ‘methodological individualism’, or ‘rational choice theory’ fails to scientifically produce any viable logical syllogistic conclusions, due to the facts not existing in epistemic individualism(the individual must look out, as well as in, for the total truth)__unless the whole is also considered in the initial premises. This theory has a long history of claiming more than is even possible of an epistemic agent of rational choices, and due to more than any other factor, of ignoring ‘irrational choice theory’, ‘uncertainty’ and the many mathematical statistical unknowns of and in the social sciences domain, especially as logically relates to the greater aggregates of outside influences(which simultaneously exist) of other and most often opposing nations of epistemic and ontological competitors, as whole states and aggregates of greater magnitude states, of actions upon not only one’s own ontic nation’s facts, but every epistemic individual agent’s facts as well. In logic theories of the above, the greater aggregates of outside states rational and irrational epistemic and ontic actions, can obviously over-whelm any epistemic rational choice actions of the primary state, as she is simply mathematically outnumbered and out-powered by said ontic actions and outside epistemic intelligences... (Continued...)
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

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    ("Standing on the bare ground__my head bathed by the blithe air, & uplifted into infinite space__all mean egotism vanishes. I become a Transparent Eyeball.") Nature, pg. 13. R.W.Emerson

    A Single TOE For Everyone? Everything For Everyone? Maybe Not...

    Everyone seems to be looking for a theory of everything, but what if it's a theory of one thing, everyone really wants? What if a TOE truth is actually just a very simple system, to solve the world's problems, and not some grand scheme describing everything? Everyone may be searching in the wrong direction.

    I just got thinking about this a second ago, after reading many posts over the last few days, and realized I could apply my inverse conflexivity ideas to the very TOE. By doing so, the inverse of a TOE is a TOAT, or Theory Of A Thing__just the opposite of Everything.

    It seems much more promising to hunt for one simple thing, to possibly solve the world's arguments and problems, than to solve for everything. And by doing so, it just may be the answer to the big everything problem...???

    I seem to be headed in that direction, anyway...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    It's seems much more promising to hunt for one simple thing, to possibly solve the world's arguments and problems, than to solve for everything. And by doing so, it just may be the answer to the big everything problem...???

    I seem to be headed in that direction, anyway...
    one simple (cleverly elusive) thing
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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

    Rather than One theory, I'll stick with One truth.

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    Re: East Meets West Logic...

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    Rather than One theory, I'll stick with One truth.

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    (1 (b 2 ))a

    Excluding the sponge around the outer layer of jam a -
    can we call sponge layer 1 the external Universe created by the creative influence in red -
    and the continuous extension of jam layer a into an inner concentric ring of jam layer b defining sponge layer 2
    - the creativity which we associate with internal reality (the human mind).

    We'd have a single creator, mind and substrate

    (we'd also have our cake and eat it (at least if we fancy a new reality (which we do (incidentally)))

    - one without guns; unless they're wireless and fire invisible lasers at monsters on a wall-sized projected screen.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    ....one~sponge

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    Ibn Sina Website: http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/sina/
    Choose English articles by Shams Inati, Logic; and Mysticism__These are the only proper English translations of his true works...

    Almost identical ideas to C.S.Peirce__1000 yrs. ago__Extended logics and the scientifics of mysticism...

    Ibn Sina was a major medical doctor, respected throughout the Mid East, and East for some 800+ years__400 years in the West. He's still one of the worlds greatest completely universal philosophers...
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    Eclecticism__A Scientific Probability Method...

    "“Eclecticism” is a name given to a group of ancient philosophers who, from the existing philosophical beliefs, tried to select the doctrines that seemed to them most reasonable, and out of these constructed a new system (see Diogenes Laertius, 21). The name was first generally used in the first century BCE. Stoicism and Epicureanism had made the search for pure truth subordinate to the attainment of practical virtue and happiness. Skepticism had denied that pure truth was possible to discover. Eclecticism sought to reach by selection the highest possible degree of probability, in the despair of attaining to what is absolutely true. In Greek philosophy, the best known Eclectics were the Stoics Panaetius (150 BCE.) and Posidonius (75 BCE.). The New Academic, Carnaedes (155 BCE.), and Philo of Larissa (75 BCE.). Among the Romans, Cicero, whose cast of mind made him always doubtful and uncertain of his own attitude, was thoroughly eclectic, uniting the Peripatetic, Stoic, and New Academic doctrines, and seeking the probable (illud probabile). The same general line was followed by Varro, and in the next century the Stoic Seneca propounded a philosophical system largely based on eclecticism." Author unknown

    A note just to let everybody know the method of thought, I'm most often using...
    "To develop the skill of correct thinking is in the first place to learn what you have to disregard. In order to go on, you have to know what to leave out; this is the essence of effective thinking." Kurt Godel
    "Time and space are modes in which we think and not conditions in which we live." Albert Einstein
    "The uncertainty principle is an absolute, finite, universal constant." L.G.
    "The tick-tick-tick of the caesium atom is a sliding-time-scaler constant of all finite universal motion." L.G.

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