Darwin's Discovery: Design without a Designer

[Graybeard]

I've named the entire cycling of wealth, the Perpetual Suzeraintic(head financial control nation) Cycle, as it's as old as economics, herself.

Who would be the Suzerain ?

Greg, it has immediate pay-back, as all nations could once again sucessfully plan descent financial futures. Do you have any idea how much money would be saved for all taxpayers, and how much more money the governments would have to spend on locally needed issues, if we just did this one simple law change...?

I can't say that I fully grasp it. In a more summary explanation ... can you explain .. (given that money is amphourous ... but resources are finite) how you will re-distrubute the resources so that ALL nations can plan a descent future for their peoples.

For example: If this system satisfies the Maslows pyramid base level for all ... by realigning each ones level of debt on a sliding scale ... won't we just be back in Stationary state .... and the Nations that physically hold the finite resources ..... what interest need they have in your plan ?

cool bananas ...greg

[labelwench]

Suzerainty (pronounced /ˈsjuːzərənti/ or /ˈsjuːzəreɪnti/ RP, or /ˈsuːzərənti/ GA) occurs where a region or people is a tributary to a more powerful entity which controls its foreign affairs while allowing the tributary vassal state some limited domestic autonomy.[citation needed] The superior entity in the suzerainty relationship, or the more powerful entity itself, is called a suzerain. The term suzerainty was originally used to describe the relationship between the Ottoman Empire and its surrounding regions. It differs from sovereignty in that the tributary has some (often limited) self-rule. A suzerain can also refer to a feudal lord, to whom vassals must pay tribute.

Although it is a concept which has existed in a number of historical empires, it is a concept that is very difficult to describe using 20th- or 21st-century theories of international law, in which sovereignty either exists or does not. While a sovereign nation can agree by treaty to become a protectorate of a stronger power, modern international law does not recognize any way of making this relationship compulsory on the weaker power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzerainty

[greenbug]

I figured I’d put my two cents in here.. On the subject of Wal-Mart..

A union in the states is no longer necessary, because the laws passed by our government protect a persons/employees interest in their place of business. A union is more of a secondary company out to leach money out of the employees and of a company that they manifest. Unions have too many laws of their own that complicate and brake down efficiency in both the business and economy they manifest. Imo..

Wal-Mart can call their employees what ever they want to make them feel as if they belong, but if the money is not there the employees will leave just as they did with another local retail business K-Mart..

As far as unions go I know of several people who work for Unions who are currently out of work, because the Union wants them to strike. The Union pays then minimum wage while they are out of work, instead of their full pay. They are not managing well as they are almost in poverty because of this choice. They can’t leave or work for another company while the union is in this strike or they for fit all of their benefits they have pored their money into over the past 20 years.

[Graybeard]

A union in the states is no longer necessary, because the laws passed by our government protect a persons/employees interest in their place of business.

Thats exactly what the the pigs told all the other animals in Orwell's 1984 ?

CLICK

cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

FUNCTION follows FORM ....


ScienceDaily (Mar. 20, 2008 — New research led by UC Davis anthropologist Tim Weaver adds to the evidence that chance, rather than natural selection, best explains why the skulls of modern humans and ancient Neanderthals evolved differently. The findings may alter how anthropologists think about human evolution.

Weaver's study appears in the March 17 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. It builds on findings from a study he and his colleagues published last year in the Journal of Human Evolution, in which the team compared cranial measurements of 2,524 modern human skulls and 20 Neanderthal specimens. The researchers concluded that random genetic change, or genetic drift, most likely account for the cranial differences.

In their new study, Weaver and his colleagues crunched their fossil data using sophisticated mathematical models -- and calculated that Neanderthals and modern humans split about 370,000 years ago. The estimate is very close to estimates derived by other researchers who have dated the split based on clues from ancient Neanderthal and modern-day human DNA sequences.

The close correlation of the two estimates -- one based on studying bones, one based on studying genes -- demonstrates that the fossil record and analyses of DNA sequences give a consistent picture of human evolution during this time period.

"A take-home message may be that we should reconsider the idea that all morphological (physical) changes are due to natural selection, and instead consider that some of them may be due to genetic drift," Weaver said. "This may have interesting implications for our understanding of human evolution."

Weaver conducted the research with Charles Roseman, an anthropologist at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and Chris Stringer, a paleontologist at the Natural History Museum in London.





cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

A Helping Hand Or A Stab In The Back - Which Is More Human?

Dr. Frans de Waal ... The Age of Empathy: Nature's Lessons for a Kinder Society.

An exploration of the origins of human morality that challenges many of our most basic assumptions, The Age of Empathy has been written by one of the world's leading primatologists, Dr. Frans de Waal, called one of the world's 100 most influential people by Time magazine and the winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Award.

De Waal's newest book looks at the question of whether competitive, selfish behavior is really "instinctive" and "natural," an outgrowth of evolution and the survival of the fittest. However, using research from anthropology, psychology, neuroscience, and animal behavior, de Waal argues that humans are equally hard-wired for empathy.

We are, he says, group animals - cooperative, sensitive to injustice, and mostly peace-loving - just like other primates, elephants, and dolphins. De Waal's findings have profound implications for politics, office behavior - and perhaps our very survival.

[labelwench]

We are, he says, group animals - cooperative, sensitive to injustice, and mostly peace-loving - just like other primates, elephants, and dolphins.
Originally posted by Graybeard.

On another thread, I have made the observation that, even among the great predators of the forest, their exists tolerance for one another and much interaction and dependency, each upon the other.

The birds and foxes and smaller creatures all follow the activities of the greater, and each comes to the kill in turn, to feed and to recycle the remains, until finally the insects and soil organisms complete the task.

Yet, when the resources upon which the large predators rely become scarce, the tolerance is quickly gone. Male bears will kill their own cubs, given opportunity, and grizzly will kill black bear. The wolf will hunt the fox, and so on down the line.

Yes, our species has great capacity for altruism as well as competition.

So now, when there is real or perceived threat, which trait will predominate?

That will be the true test of whether or not we are different from the other creatures.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Who would be the Suzerain ?

At present, America is still the global suzerain, just as England was up to WWI, then the torch passed to America, and at present it's passing to China. Since America still holds the issuing of the world's largest number of derivatives contracts, and other debt obligations, she still holds the true global financial power, although England still holds a great deal of power in the foreign exchange trading system of the entire world, and control of commodities metals trading, etc., somewhere around 65% total of global trades, in special areas__but America's Chicago market far exceeds any other market trading volume, than any other center in the entire world, including New York, and most do not realize this fact. China, if it holds together, will eventually become the world's next suzerain, unless the world awakens, and puts its house in order__with the required new laws__Then maybe we could all sleep better, knowing no nation had to be the suzerain, that we'd awakened to fixing the global nightmare__Called suzeraintic capitalism, into a more pleasant form of co-operation capitalism...

I can't say that I fully grasp it. In a more summary explanation ... can you explain .. (given that money is amphourous ... but resources are finite) how you will re-distrubute the resources so that ALL nations can plan a descent future for their peoples.

Resources are not finite, in the way you're meaning, only certain ones__then this opinion fails to take in science's abilities to discover synthetics to replace certain resource depletions. Many fail to realize it's just the proplem of economic intelligence depletions, that's the true cause of science not being able to take advantage of all science has to offer, if but fixing the economic problems__First...! Just think of all the 'green economy' factors that exist, yet aren't widely used, due to lack of economic intelligence, to fix the system into scientific use, instead of the un-intelligence of market greed and inanity... Fix the economy__First__and we can use all the great "green ideas" science has to offer...! Money should not be holding us back, from doing the right action...

For example: If this system satisfies the Maslows pyramid base level for all ... by realigning each ones level of debt on a sliding scale ... won't we just be back in Stationary state .... and the Nations that physically hold the finite resources ..... what interest need they have in your plan ?

No.. Greg, you're only playing part of the movie of real global transactions evolution, in your head. That's quite common for anyone not knowlegable about true mathematical economics, and its many models and universal laws__But, there's a much larger dynamic to what Davidson, D'Arista, I and many others are reporting. You keep looking at it from a bottom-up model__and, it's not. It's a top-down model, due to the fact competition is actually a compromising system in the foreign exchange markets. The compromising dynamic is the power-house of the actions on the entire system, which most are oblivious to, as it's so complex to their understandings, it's like the entire Universe of GR and QM all in one, in its true mechanics of $$$600+ trillion dollars in total global transactions turnover, spelled out over thirty+ years of completion of obligations, going 160+ different directions of nations desires' actions. Economists understand this seeming complex actions' system by its history of economic laws and theories, which have proven correct, some reaching back hundreds and thousands of years, which the average citizen has never heard of. It's the same as physics using probability maths and logics to understand the complex QM, QED and QCD inter-actions, yet a much older system, having access to proven historical data, backing its theories and probability maths__yet there's two systems of probability maths involves__the true and the guessing, and the bad economists use the guessing system, whereas the good ones use the true system, based on historical factual numbers__not ergodicity__the bad system.

This stationary state you keep bringing up isn't even in the economic lexicon of reputable economists. Yes, there's many non-economists and pseudo-economists talking about zero-sum economics, which might be what you're referring to, but those aren't the real mathematical economists I speak of. The real economists deal with the dynamics of the entire system, from a top-down macro-economics__not the lesser micro-economics level of which you seem to be referring, which is really no more than the infinite regress to un-decidability, in the economic theatre of a comedy of errors. One must look a the entire compromising system of necessities of the foreign exchange world__Down__to truly understand its real mechanics...

This does not involve dealing with the small pricing systems of the local economies. It's macro levels thinking and law change only, that totally changes the lesser dynamics of markets, by market forces alone. It'll still be the same supply and demand market on the bottom, supplemented by the assistance of a proper functioning playing field at the top__That's all... The other suggestions I've mentioned about internally, of the full blown Keynes' system come in later__after the international system is again stabilizing the local systems__then we can fix or drastically improve the local labor and business conditions, as the financing will again be available. It's all a matter of timing, in seeing the dynamics of how the system works, and how this dynamic system can work. It requires having all the economic models, workable and unworkable, held in conceptual mind at once, and playing out how they all inter-act__That takes years of intense study to do__so it's not thinking the average man is not capable of this level of theorizing, as everyone is__It's just it takes years, not a few posts on a bbs. I can tell you honestly, it took me over 30 years to be able to hold more than two models in my mind, as clear concepts, at once__but with practice and study, to the concept shortcuts, through known universal laws of economics, and its many theory models, I could hold as many as five at once, in my mind. It gets a bit blurry after five. I'm just trying to show you, this is not a simple process to understand__though once understood__it is simple. Best I can do there...

P.s.
In the trade Greg, we call it 'Fictitious Wealth' and 'Real Debt...'

cool bananas ...greg[/QUOTE]

Hope that helps,
Regards

[labelwench]

I figured I’d put my two cents in here.. On the subject of Wal-Mart..

A union in the states is no longer necessary, because the laws passed by our government protect a persons/employees interest in their place of business. A union is more of a secondary company out to leach money out of the employees and of a company that they manifest. Unions have too many laws of their own that complicate and brake down efficiency in both the business and economy they manifest. Imo..

Wal-Mart can call their employees what ever they want to make them feel as if they belong, but if the money is not there the employees will leave just as they did with another local retail business K-Mart..

As far as unions go I know of several people who work for Unions who are currently out of work, because the Union wants them to strike. The Union pays then minimum wage while they are out of work, instead of their full pay. They are not managing well as they are almost in poverty because of this choice. They can’t leave or work for another company while the union is in this strike or they for fit all of their benefits they have pored their money into over the past 20 years.

All Unions are not created equal, just as all corporations are not comparable in their treatment of employees.

That Wal-Mart is presently the world's largest retailer speaks to the fact that they have identified an effective strategy.

Effective and beneficial........

To whom, is the greater question.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

A Helping Hand Or A Stab In The Back - Which Is More Human?

Dr. Frans de Waal ... The Age of Empathy: Nature's Lessons for a Kinder Society.

An exploration of the origins of human morality that challenges many of our most basic assumptions, The Age of Empathy has been written by one of the world's leading primatologists, Dr. Frans de Waal, called one of the world's 100 most influential people by Time magazine and the winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Award.

De Waal's newest book looks at the question of whether competitive, selfish behavior is really "instinctive" and "natural," an outgrowth of evolution and the survival of the fittest. However, using research from anthropology, psychology, neuroscience, and animal behavior, de Waal argues that humans are equally hard-wired for empathy.

We are, he says, group animals - cooperative, sensitive to injustice, and mostly peace-loving - just like other primates, elephants, and dolphins. De Waal's findings have profound implications for politics, office behavior - and perhaps our very survival.

He's right in one respect__We are hard-wired by ratio-logic of self-interest, which just happens to interpret, to any rationally logical person as__to treat others fairly, to be treated fairly__Oneself... I find nothing but a ratio logic spirit soul, from birth on, which not only is the main governor of our intellects, but our emotions as well__as it's basically our self-interest instinct at work__if we but pay close attention to it. It's the exact ratio logic actions, that run the entire Universe__the difference is the Universe's galaxies have__no choice__but to chance gobble other entire galaxies of "possibly" good human-like creatures__and we have both chance, and more importantly__choice__to treat others fairly, to be treated fairly, ourselves__The Universal Ratio-Logic system, still in play__Yet, with an intellect and emotions, capable of rationally recognizing an-other's worth, to benefit self and other/s...

It's a simple mechanical chance and choice system... Take a chance, and be a jerk. Take a choice, and be a human...

Ratio-Logic__The Mechanical Action of All Universal Motion...