[AntonioLao]

Pierre-Simon Laplace (1749-1827) founder of the mathematical theory of probability imagined, during the period when classical dynamics was at its apex, that an all seeing, all knowing demon exists. It is capable at any given instant to see the position and velocity of every elementary particle that forms a quantum of space-time. Furthermore, it knows the history and evolution of these elementary particles both from their pasts and their future destinies. However, the malicious demon creates indeterminism and holism. Unless one is privy to this demonic power, all shall remain ignorant of the truth about the operations of the Universe.

The power of this demon is equivalent to a Markovian interconnected mesh of probability network where every point of space-time is connected to all the other points. The result is that at each point, the probability is exactly unity, absolute certainty! Both space and time cease to have any meaning since the demon can move from here to there in no time at all. Nevertheless, a universal principle of duality would indicate that for every malevolent power there is an equally benevolent power. These opposites are constantly locked in a struggle for dominance, one for the sake of chaos and the other for the sake of order. If these are primary forces they necessarily repel each other and none comes out the winner. However, if one is turned into a secondary force then it will be attracted to the primary force and be consumed.

[mkirkpatrick]

A thought occured to me,when reading your thread starter,Antonio,"A rare thing
for me",that another name for demons,is Elementals,the enablers of energies,
sometimes called nature spirits,and that the chief spirit,or demon,is often called
Pan.Maybe these are the ones locked in the eternal battle,for positive or negitive dominance?Just a thought!


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Good idea, mkirkpatrik. Pan means bread in spanish, would this have any meaning in mathematics? (but I wouldn't expect to find the TOE principle in breads...lol).

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Maybe these are the ones locked in the eternal battle,for positive or negitive dominance?

The primary forces, according to the dynamic of spacetime, are the ones battling for domination. Each of these forces has only six degrees of freedom. The losing forces become secondary forces.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<>>

Good idea, mkirkpatrik. Pan means bread in spanish, would this have any meaning in mathematics? (but I wouldn't expect to find the TOE principle in breads...lol).

Yes it would!bread is the staff of life,and you need to be alive to study maths?so that bread or pan,is essential partof the
circle which is a symbol in maths,so there you have it bread has gone the full
circle,and without it there would be no maths and no schools teaching it?

put that in your sandwich and eat it?

regards michael.

[baudrunner]

An interesting mix of unapproachable deterministic philosophy and theoretical physics. The Markovian component becomes irrelevent, since the degree of probability of an outcome is always determined by the number of probable instigators of any event. I see that you are attempting to derive the origin of things from a fundamentally pure state of nothingness to to the state of what amounts to what we have now. To reach that depth of understanding is a privilige that very few are privy to.

[harmonygirl]

Interesting thread. I have been wondering lately whether we exist in waves, being the tension between 2 fundamental forces (although not necessarily demonic).
I am not sure if what you describe is attributable to the Goddess (although on some level, I am sure it is) but if it is just experiencing a new dimension, where time and space have become irrelevant. I assume that once you get past the 4 dimension, time becomes irrelevant. I wonder if space becomes irrelevant at the same time?

[Guille]

hg,

Those two forces could be good and evil. The same as the magnetic bi-polarity of electrons.

Space is not irrelevant at spacetime, simply that it now has a dependency on time. These two are different, but not opposite. Just like electricity and magnetism are.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl

Interesting thread. I have been wondering lately whether we exist in waves, being the tension between 2 fundamental forces (although not necessarily demonic).
I am not sure if what you describe is attributable to the Goddess (although on some level, I am sure it is) but if it is just experiencing a new dimension, where time and space have become irrelevant. I assume that once you get past the 4 dimension, time becomes irrelevant. I wonder if space becomes irrelevant at the same time?

You aremost certainly right HG both space andtime our
imposters and bogus,they only "seem" to exist because we havebeen fooled
by our mis-understanding ofwhat we think "we see" and fail to see it as it is?

kind regardsmichael.

[harmonygirl]

Hmm... Guille, I think that "Good" and "Evil" are labels we put on things. I don't know that I believe they are fundamental forces. I was thinking along the lines of magnetism (with the attraction and repulsion). What does the dimension look like where time is irrelevant? Does space exist on its own?