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04-27-2005, 01:19 PM
| | quantum fluctuations and polarizations of the vacuum create fermions and bosons. These are experimentally verified and considered as physical facts. The interactions of virtual bosons create virtual fermions of both equal numbers for particles and antiparticles. When virtual particles and antiparticles interact the results are virtual bosons. If these virtual particles can be transformed into real particles then limitless energy can be derived from the vacuum. | | | | 2nd degree Black Belt
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02-24-2006, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by AntonioLao quantum fluctuations and polarizations of the vacuum create fermions and bosons. These are experimentally verified and considered as physical facts. The interactions of virtual bosons create virtual fermions of both equal numbers for particles and antiparticles. When virtual particles and antiparticles interact the results are virtual bosons. If these virtual particles can be transformed into real particles then limitless energy can be derived from the vacuum. | AntonioLao and whoever else reads this.
My apologies to mathematicians.
Math is not flexible enough to encompass the real cause and explanation of all things.
The fermions, bosons, virtual fermions, virtual bosons, antiparticles and all the other theoretical particles do not really exist and can have no real calculations concerning them. When you calculate with these things in mind you pretend it means something.
Quantum mathematics is for an elite group that revel in anal complexity and enjoy the fact that the average person is excluded from their little club.
Even a simple equation such as 1=1 cannot be proved mathematically in real terms. One of anything, even an electron cannot equal another electron because they both exist in a different space and time. One apple does not equal another apple in the real world.
Time is utterly flexible and only the concern of a cognizant observer.
Again I say, my apologies, don't get uptite. Take a deep breath and try to explain your position to me. I'll read it....and Yes..to you mathematicians I am an a-ho.
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| not a-ho, just a s-disturber, I think
Oooohhh, Rufus, I am going to have to disagree with you. While I also don't buy into the rarefied (and somewhat illusory) world of theoretical particles, it strikes me that math is integral to the very ordering of our environment. In fact, it can be quite beautiful in itself. I agree with you that our propensity for "equations" has, to some extent, misled us. I point to Mandelbrot. The whole notion of becoming, rather than equalling, is to my way of thinking, representative of our reality (as much as we can agree on this). I think that when you see patterns in your environment, math is helpful as a tool to get to reality. I think we might be on the same page, that it is not reality in and of itself.
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Originally Posted by AntonioLao quantum fluctuations and polarizations of the vacuum create fermions and bosons. These are experimentally verified and considered as physical facts. The interactions of virtual bosons create virtual fermions of both equal numbers for particles and antiparticles. When virtual particles and antiparticles interact the results are virtual bosons. If these virtual particles can be transformed into real particles then limitless energy can be derived from the vacuum. | To do that Antonio,I feel thatyou would have to somehow to
link the two dimensions together,wouldyou not!And how do you suppose that
could be done,maybe solicit the help of a passing vortex!!!
kind regards michael.
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02-26-2006, 12:42 AM
|  suffering fractal defeat
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Originally Posted by harmonygirl I point to Mandelbrot. The whole notion of becoming, rather than equalling, is to my way of thinking, representative of our reality (as much as we can agree on this). I think that when you see patterns in your environment, math is helpful as a tool to get to reality. I think we might be on the same page, that it is not reality in and of itself. | Ya ok you got me there. I couldn't live completely without my fractals. Also I use math in my three dimensional metal constructions and it's totally required because they are functional. Again you bring harmony to the world and I stand corrected. | | | | Moderator
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Originally Posted by AntonioLao vacuum is really an empty set. A set where there are no elements from matter and energy. But the complements of this set are the matter set (fermions) and the energy set (bosons). Furthermore, the intersections of these sets are the null sets of the true vacuum. | Is there not Aether present in a vacuum Antonio!,And if there was,how would
you know??Just a thought along the way.
kindregards michael.
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02-27-2006, 01:05 PM
| | coordinate free math
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Originally Posted by Rufus Math is not flexible enough to encompass the real cause and explanation of all things. | Flexibility can be realized by coordinate free mathematics. At present, tensor analysis is the only advanced math that can have coordinate free quantities. By convention, most math is based on a right-handed coordinate system.
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02-27-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick would have to somehow to link the two dimensions together | In math, the linkee is somehow at a lower dimensionality than the linkers. The intersection of two 2D planes is a 1D line. Quote: |
Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Is there not Aether present in a vacuum | I called it the dynamic aether as quanta of squares of energy.
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By convention, most math is based on a right-handed coordinate system.
| Linear unitarianism based on the singularity principle.
Is it not conceivable that the obsession that humankind has with mathematics as a method of numerological determination is based on its simplicity? Simplicity made it possible for everyone to understand the concept of data conservation and extrapolation on the written page, and everyone in the beginning understood the concept of quantity, and of addition and substraction, more easily than they understood the concepts of complexity and simplicity, as put onto the written page. The fact is, there are branches of mathematics which do not deal with numbers but with concepts, such as in psychiatry.
It is evident to me that even here, mathematics for many seems to be simpler than language.
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|  fusion today power to follow.
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Originally Posted by AntonioLao the main objective of quantized space theory is to find out the complete working mechanism of thermonuclear fusion. | How much effort do you think is being put into this idea(finding thermonuclear
fusion)in todays physics,are there multi dollars being spent?What do you think Antonio!
kind regards michael.
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