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    Was there a wavelength controversy?

    The existence of matter waves was established by the Davisson-Germer experiment in 1927. The physical concept of matter waves were predicted earlier in 1924 by the French physicist Prince Louis-Victor Pierre Raymond de Broglie (1892-1987). Subsequently, de Broglie was awarded the Nobel Prize for physics in 1929. He based his discovery on the simple equation that the product of wavelength and momentum is equal to Planck’s constant of action. In this formulation the momentum was still defined as the product of mass and velocity giving the wavelength: ��=/����. This sole equation was the only one found in de Broglie’s doctoral thesis of 1924 and his advisor Paul Langevin was surprisingly nonplussed. Langevin showed it to Einstein, who had already established the existence of photon in 1905 of which he was awarded the Nobel Prize for physics in 1921, and Einstein gave his blessings by saying “I believe that it involves more than a mere analogy.” His approval gave de Broglie his PhD. Later, Einstein made a reference of this wavelength equation in a paper that caught Schrödinger’s attention. Consequently, Schrödinger discovered the formulated wave version of quantum mechanics contrasting Heisenberg’s matrix version.

    This simple wavelength equation alone established the wave-particle duality of all modern quantum physics. It bears a subtle resemblance to Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle between position and momentum. Hence a potential controversial physical argument should have then emerged between position (a vector) and wavelength (a scalar). Are these two physically equivalent? If so then all concepts of length (e.g. Planck length) should then be equally definable as a matrix, especially a symmetric singular Hadamard matrix. The transformation of wavelength to matrix should not cause any problem for advanced quantum theories (QED, QCD, QFT, etc.) since position, velocity, momentum, angular momentum, and energy as well as squares of energy is now all considered as matrices.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]²=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c²

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    Smile Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Matter waves yes,but what about life waves? Have they been measured?



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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick
    what about life waves?
    The superpositions of matter waves can be measured as the waves of living consciousness. These are located inside the brains of every living thing. Some are more developed. These cannot be found in plants since they don't have a central nervous system. Yet some believe that plants still can have underdeveloped matter waves of acute senses.
    Time independence: [∂E(g)]²=[∂F(a)×∂r(a)]·[∂F(b)×∂r(b)] and Mass independence: a(tr(t)=c²

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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    All matter comprises atoms which incorporate electrons. There is inherent connectedness. Can it be postulated that the entire universe is an algorithm of/for consciousness?
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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Interesting, now how would m-theory or plain ole string theory fit in Leskey? I had a thought along a simular concept the other night. I suppose a solar system as more of node, a galaxy as more of a node cluster, and perhaps a universe as a region of the (brane) brain. String theory suggests that the universe is nothing but a (one of many) membrane. M-theory suggests that there is something binding them together or some sort of connection bewtween them (a neural pathway?). Now, if we say that this seems to be possible, the question almost begs, who is thinking it?
    "I act like you act, I do what you do, but I don’t know, what it’s like to be you. What consciousness is, I ain’t got a clue. I got the Zombie Blues!"

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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonioLao View Post
    The superpositions of matter waves can be measured as the waves of living consciousness. These are located inside the brains of every living thing. Some are more developed. These cannot be found in plants since they don't have a central nervous system. Yet some believe that plants still can have underdeveloped matter waves of acute senses.
    Hi Antonio...Ian Heath states that waves are the subjective component of the mind and matter is the objective component of mind.

    He also stated that western thinkers have not clearly dis-entangled the boundaries between the three concepts of subjectivity, objectivity and relativity.

    He also states that our most basic problem involves not using more of our conceptual abilities due to the Ego being in a state of relativity.

    I wondered if you had any thoughts on this??


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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Quote Originally Posted by leskey View Post
    All matter comprises atoms which incorporate electrons. There is inherent connectedness. Can it be postulated that the entire universe is an algorithm of/for consciousness?
    Hi Lesk...you might find the following interesting, it is the work of Perry Marshall..I found it thought provoking...




    1) Evolutionary adaptation is the work of a "Mutation
    Algorithm."

    Cells employ a built-in algorithm, which engineers
    re-arrangement of Mobile Genetic Elements (as observed by
    McClintock and Shapiro). Genes and Chromosomes are
    re-arranged in a fantastically beautiful process which
    produces useful adaptations and new species.

    I call this the Mutation Algorithm. It is a program which
    attempts to evolve when necessary and computes the optimal
    path to a desired result. This algorithm is described as
    exhibiting some form of intelligence.

    This Mutation Algorithm, in combination with natural
    selection, explains what random mutation and natural
    selection cannot.

    2) The Mutation Algorithm tests design options like blades
    on a Swiss army knife. DNA has a huge "bag of tricks" and
    is able to mix and match combinations of eyes, feet and
    claws, joints, digits, hair, skin and fur colors and
    patterns, switching out different "blades" as environments
    change.

    It builds animals on a common chassis of head, spine,
    heart, lungs, stomach and limbs. It ferociously defends
    this core chassis from being corrupted by random mutations,
    while switching out different variables in the head, spine,
    heart etc.

    3) The Swiss army knife "blades" include variables that
    adjust the structure of incredibly complex systems with
    simple changes.

    For example the length of a giraffe neck could be "dialed
    in" by a single gene which controls the length of nerve
    fibers, muscles, esophagus and number of vertebra, all at
    the same time.

    This explains both small and large variations in species.
    DNA fills the ecosystem with every imaginable variety of
    life because it's designed to. It adjusts these variables
    until the creature is maximally adapted to its environment.

    4) The Mutation Algorithm is normally at rest. It goes to
    work whenever the population is under extreme stress. This
    is why we see the pattern of "punctuated equilibrium" in
    the fossil record.

    There are long periods of stability where there is no
    change, because the Mutation Algorithm is dormant. When
    there is a crisis, it activates and begins to test novel
    features.

    5) The Mutation Algorithm operates within populations, not
    just individuals.

    The Mutation Algorithm catalogs past mutation attempts so
    that it does not get "stuck" repeating past failures.
    Organisms somehow share information so that they can
    collectively test a wider variety of mutations than any one
    organism could attempt.

    Efforts to find a mechanism by which organisms share this
    information will eventually be rewarded. And the mechanism
    that is discovered will be as surprising and revolutionary
    to biology as Einstein's theory of relativity was to
    physics.

    6) Evolutionary pathways are not random and purposeless,
    they are mathematically optimized in advance to reach
    desired destinations in the smallest possible number of
    steps.



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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Can it be postulated that the entire universe is an algorithm of/for consciousness?

    No, but all is waves.

    Consciousness is a subject only, of experience, not an object producing experience.

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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Evolution:

    Yes, the same gene, say, for neck, is used by many species.

    Mutation is random, natural selection isn't.

    Glad you are picking up on evolution. You used to throw it out the window.

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    Re: Was there a wavelength controversy?

    Actually Mr. Marshall is working on a Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design.


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