spacetime inverses and 1-to-1 mapping

[AntonioLao]

Peirce believed that signs are the solution to problems. Unfortunately, signs are meaningful only to limited group of people who already understood the implication of these signs. Moreover, by imposing pragmatic dogmas on these linguistic symbols, he limited the means of communication between different cultures. His ideas might work exclusively for certain groups of educated people within the same educational systems, say among the rich but not between the rich and the poor. In certain sense, his teachings imply racial discrimination.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Peirce believed that signs are the solution to problems.

False, no he didn't__his semiosis was his epistemological interpretations__nothing to do with his math and logic, except the fundamental understanding of essence agent functions__which do process all our mathematical and logical understandings. Understandings of our internal functions, has nothing to do with pure math and logic, and his was mainly about relational algebras and his logic was about the modal operators of such logics__big diff...

Unfortunately, signs are meaningful only to limited group of people who already understood the implication of these signs.

Yeah, like about all philosopher, logicians and AI sceintists__around the world__Now...

Moreover, by imposing pragmatic dogmas on these linguistic symbols, he limited the means of communication between different cultures.

Again, here you show you have no understanding of what signs are used for. Machines must process in signs, i.e., signals sent from one part of the robot to another, i.e., sensors__which process much the same as human perception, which the AI boys and girls are simulating, then installing through software and hardware__into highly complex robotic machines and other scientifically valuable tools for society's greater advantages... As far as communication between different cultures__Both China and Russia have great respect for Peirce__Today__as they both realize his sign processing system greatly helps in building much of their robotics and computer assisted technologies, such as even CNC technologies, etc... Just because you aren't familiar with it, is not Peirce's fault__and you being from Texas should be one of the first to realize your own state's most prestigious institution has converted much of its curriculum over to Peirce studies, to assist NASA and the U.S. Military__That's Texas Tech... LINK...

His ideas might work exclusively for certain groups of educated people within the same educational systems, say among the rich but not between the rich and the poor. In certain sense, his teachings imply racial discrimination.

Boy Antonio, I didn't know you included intellectual racism on your resume... Better go over to Texas Tech University, and find the truth for yourself__for once...

From Texas Tech's Web Site:
GENIUS

Charles Sanders Peirce was a genius ahead of his time, a man who will continue to affect science into the 21st century.

This is the story of a genius ahead of his time -- a man who envisioned technology before it existed, understood the nexus of art and science, and will continue to affect science and technology well into the 21st century.

Da Vinci? Einstein? No. Charles Sanders Peirce.

The Institute for Studies in Pragmaticism at Texas Tech University is devoted to the study of the little-known Peirce (1839-1914), a true interdisciplinarian whose research influences fields as disparate as military science, psychiatry, physics and philosophy nearly a century after his death.

"The study of logic, in the widest sense of the word, is the one short phrase that best describes his life work," according to Scott Cunningham, B.A., assistant director for operations at the institute.

In 1865, Peirce founded the distinctive American school of philosophy known as Pragmatism, based on the fact that all scientific disciplines share certain principles of logic and method. According to Kenneth Ketner, Ph.D., Horn Professor, Peirce Interdisciplinary Professor and director of the institute, until 1898 the discipline stayed within a circle of friends that included philosopher and psychologist William James and educational reformer John Dewey. That year, James gave a lecture in Berkeley, Calif., called "Philosophical Conceptions and Practical Results," and the philosophy spread like an intellectual wildfire. Around 1903, Peirce became discouraged that others were changing his approach, so he modified the name for his original ideas to "Pragmaticism."

"A word," he said, "that is too ugly to be kidnapped."
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[AntonioLao]

Peirce's has created one more problem, i don't understand any of the mathematics you said he had. Since I don't think it will help me solve cold fusion, I will not pursue it any further. And you have failed to convince me of its usefulness. The rise of the science of robotics does not imply that there is a positive impact for human understanding of each other locally or globally. It just separates the distance between rich and poor farther and farther. Robots are useful for an age of machinization that more and more increases the slothiness of human beings which eventually creates a civilization of physical weaklings who will never step out the confine of their armchairs to experience what the world is really like among flesh and blood.

You are right about the increasing popularity and followers but I would rather be a farmer producing organic food than eat one of the items found in most vending machines. I try to eat fresh produce if i can and drink water not soda pops, i would rather walk than drive a gasoline propel vehicle. I don't try to go with the flow of what a mechanized society is heading. But ironically I still think the internet will eventually help me solve cold fusion.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Peirce's has created one more problem, i don't understand any of the mathematics you said he had. Since I don't think it will help me solve cold fusion, I will not pursue it any further. And you have failed to convince me of its usefulness.

Then throw your computer away, and stay in the dark ages... I ain't trying to convince you. I don't care what you think, as long as I don't think like you...

The rise of the science of robotics does not imply that there is a positive impact for human understanding of each other locally or globally. It just separates the distance between rich and poor farther and farther. Robots are useful for an age of machinization that more and more increases the slothiness of human beings which eventually creates a civilization of physical weaklings who will never step out the confine of their armchairs to experience what the world is really like among flesh and blood.

Must be talking about yourself, as you describe no one I know...

You are right about the increasing popularity and followers but I would rather be a farmer producing organic food than eat one of the items found in most vending machines. I try to eat fresh produce if i can and drink water not soda pops, i would rather walk than drive a gasoline propel vehicle. I don't try to go with the flow of what a mechanized society is heading. But ironically I still think the internet will eventually help me solve cold fusion.

Then you'll have to thank Peirce for that... Peirce Law Link... Peirce Topology Link...

Formal description...
The Peirce quincuncial projection is "formed by transforming the stereographic projection with a pole at infinity, by means of an elliptic function" (Peirce, 1879). The Peirce quincuncial is really a projection of the hemisphere, but its tessellation properties (see below) permit its use for the entire sphere. Peirce's projection maps the interior of a circle (corresponding to each hemisphere, which were created by projecting them using the stereographic projection) onto the interior of a square (using the Schwarz–Christoffel mapping) (Lee, 1976).

A point P on the Earth's surface, a distance p from the North Pole with longitude θ and latitude λ is first mapped to a point (p, θ) of the plane through the equator, viewed as the complex plane with coordinate w; this w coordinate is then mapped to another point (x, y) of the complex plane (given the coordinate z) by an elliptic function of the first kind. Using Gudermann's notation for Jacobi's elliptic functions, the relationships are

[AntonioLao]

I'm describing a future state of the human race following the Peircian projection. Since this projection is a sphere, he must have deceived all of us for thinking that he is the center of this one-eye cyclop pragmatic universe based on robots and cold blooded machines. As one quantum naturalist would say no machine can ever replaced the stereoscopic eyes of living things unless it is made of a pair of spacetime charges of H-plus and H-minus.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

“Assuming the success of efforts to accomplish a complete physical description, the statistical quantum theory would, within the framework of future physics, take an approximately analogous position to the statistical mechanics within classical mechanics. I am rather firmly convinced that the development of theoretical physics will be of this type; but the path will be lengthy and difficult.” Albert Einstein

Describing physics wrong turn in QM's standard approach...

And like I said, you're still not describing anything...

[labelwench]

And like I said, you're still not describing anything...

Originally posted by Lloyd

That which our senses would seem to indicate is 'there', yet for which we have yet to be able to measure down to the level of Fundamental Substance (that seemingly the fashionable term at this time) is indeed difficult to address in terms of language or mathematics, existing concepts which we have already established a form of 1-to-1 mapping for.

Not unlike the apple and orange in debate over the relative merits of each, when a durian walks over, wishing to join in, lol......
How to include this new 'fruit' in the debate, as it does not even remotely resemble the dialogue underway.....

The unusual flavour and odour of the fruit have prompted many people to express diverse and passionate views ranging from deep appreciation to intense disgust. Writing in 1856, the British naturalist Alfred Russel Wallace provides a much-quoted description of the flavour of the durian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durian

I have yet to sample one, as the first time I encountered the specimen in our store, it was at the pungent stage, which rather quickly quelled my curiosity, lol....

[AntonioLao]

That which our senses would seem to indicate is 'there', yet for which we have yet to be able to measure down to the level of Fundamental Substance

The desire to measure might be our way of compensating the lack of activities from our innate 'six sense.' Although we can live and function sufficiently with at most 5 senses, the external world or should we say the entire universe functions exclusively with its 'six sense.'

So, until we can maximize completely our 'six sense' no one can say we are truly one and the same with the entire universe. On the other hand, the universe lacks of the 5 lesser senses allow life to exist anywhere where there is a need for these complementary or supplementary senses of existential reality.

[AntonioLao]

Lloyd, thanks for the Einstein's quotation. After reading it a few times I still don't understand what he is saying. I'm not as smart as I think I need to be.