questioning the zeroth law

[AntonioLao]

Would anyone question the zeroth law of thermodynamics? Please visit this link and make your own personal decision. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroth_...thermodynamics

[Bogie]

Would anyone question the zeroth law of thermodynamics? Please visit this link and make your own personal decision. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeroth_...thermodynamics

I would agree with it. What's not to agree with? It seems straight forward to me.

[AntonioLao]

You still need to clearly state what is it about the zeroth law that you are agreeing to? And it must be supported with your own assertions. It never was straight forward until you understand the second, the third, and the first law, in these order of progressive understanding.

[Graybeard]

You still need to clearly state what is it about the zeroth law that you are agreeing to? And it must be supported with your own assertions. It never was straight forward until you understand the second, the third, and the first law, in these order of progressive understanding.

I agree with it ..... I see it as providing a compelling description of the 'boundaries' between forms that comprise the overall universe.

cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

The question is tantamount to asking can thermal equilibrium truly exist in a universe? My argument is that if thermal equality exists then the universe will never evolve to its present state since any form of motion always requires a temperature gradient such that the absolute difference of two given temperatures remains a finite positive quantity even if this quantity is infinitesimally small amount. Although negative temperature is not effectively defined the absolute zero of temperature is not attainable by any thermal experiment.

[Graybeard]

The question is tantamount to asking can thermal equilibrium truly exist in a universe? My argument is that if thermal equality exists then the universe will never evolve to its present state since any form of motion always requires a temperature gradient such that the absolute difference of two given temperatures remains a finite positive quantity even if this quantity is infinitesimally small amount. Although negative temperature is not effectively defined the absolute zero of temperature is not attainable by any thermal experiment.

But motion could have always been conserved as chaotic or random. This also is a form of equilibrium or thermal equality.

cool bananas ... greg

[AntonioLao]

I'm hypothesizing that Local Infinitesimal Motion (LIM) can be conserved as the quantum vacuum fluctuations of the squares of zero-point energies such that the infinitesimal thermal gradient is equal to the product of two temperatures. These are equal only if both are zero.