[mkirkpatrick]

There is an ancient saying,and it goes like this "The truth is always hidden in
plain sight",It would seem that tofind that which is hidden in plain sight,onewould need to look around and really See what we were looking at.
As a flower unfolds in the warmth of the sun,the mind also unfolds when the
curosity and the need to understand awaken,one aspect of mind that I have
noticed is that it (likes to make connections)and can find this aspect of uncovering the links exciting.So after many years of searching and trying to See
what I have discovered,and countless others before me have also,is that all
Things are connected,when I see the sky,the sunset,the birds on the wing,
sit down on a log,look into the flowing river,and see the fish swimming therein
maybe toss a pebble into the river,all these different things,are really partof the same thing.To be Reconnected with all is to belong in all.all these things are in
plain sight,and yetwe see them not.

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

The very best of all threads, mike. For the mayor question to be answered by philosophyzing (not by philosophy itself, for it is just the disposition to answer) arises from that point of view of yours. It can be represented in many many different ways and words, and in many areas, I will give someo of the most fundamental of the forms:

Is everything connected or disconnected? Is there spaces that separate between things, or lines that joints them? Is there elements or properties? Is there sets or members? Is there things or everything? Is there THE world or worlds?...........

And it is the hardest, for it is the most fundamental, question to answer, from an objective empty mind about it, and this is how I answered it. I'll post my opinion, but first I want to make a question:

How did you arrive to the conclusion that everything is connected? Don't you think that it's very probable that the logic of your mind was controlled and manipulated by your believes, your hopes, your dessires and opinion?

[mkirkpatrick]

To be whole,complete,at-one-ment with all,conscious kinship with all,full and
absolutely content,serene,the more one becomes self-aware the more alone one
can feel,there seems to be something missing,one feels incomplete.why isthis?
To me the destiny of life is to achieve wholeness,to loose the sensation of being
apart from-seperatness,to understand at a soul level,at a conscious level,at a gut level,that all (things)are connected and that we are interconnected to all,
In my own life at those rare times of heightened awareness while practising
meditation,and I have been practising for over thirty years,and still a novice at
it,in those rare times I have Really felt Connected to all,where you just seem to
melt and merge with all,a feeling of almost infinite expasion of consciousness and
perception,like being transported on a wave of LOve to everywhere for just a brief moment,then it has gone,and it begins to rain!To taste that wholeness is
to try and find itagain,but that is not easy,I want to be whole and complete
what about you??

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Michael, finally here it comes, although with little order: for a physicist, because time ahs gone by so there is more entropy, and for a realist, because I'm not an ordered poster.

Being whole refers to all the actual fact of existing in the total manner of which we exist. This is, each being exists whole, for each being exists in the way it exists, i.e. in the way it is. I know exist whole, whole for what I am. I don’t exist partly of what I am, for what I am is what I exist, and thus, it becomes equal to what I exist, which is thus whole.

Being complete means to have no possibility of arriving at a further state of wholeness from which we currently are. The circumstances in the case of completeness, never change, for completeness makes it impossible, thus, they are eternal. So when a being reaches completeness, the being is then eternal, and so is it’s state (not a state anymore) of completeness eternal.

Thus, the only being that can be said to be eternal is that which is god. But god is a misconception. Being is that property that all entities have, but it’s not an observable property. Due to this reason, entities that study the being are automatically excluding the entity itself from the being, thus, the being is no more the being, but an entity. Thus, god was created.

Now, when an entity has perceptions of another entity which is new to it, in the sense that it has not perceived or conceived it previously, then the entity (if alive, and thus has a mind, like humans) describes this entity in terms of previous conceptions and perceptions of other entities and elements. And this information is from within, from the entity itself. Thus, it doesn’t matter how objective a human is when studying nature, either by philosophy, by art, by human sciences or by natural sciences, the person will always describe the phenomena, the nomena, the objects, the properties and the events in terms of it’s own existence. So, if the world is eternal, we are eternal within. Thus, “our world is us”. But, the world is not us. The world, is that which is true. Here comes the mayor problem of philosophy of all times. Even bigger problem than that which I once describe of separation and union, and it is:

What can we determine to me true, how can we determine what to determine to be true, why can we determine what to be true, and why can we determine how can we determine what to determine to be true?

The member that solves this, will not only have 1/3 of the TOE, but will be the greatest thinker of all times.

[mkirkpatrick]

Guille my friend,you pose so many questions,some awarenessess just need to be
accepted,they may be personal to you or general,it would seem by the way that maybe you or others would question events,that for your entire life you may postpone any acceptance of even maybe wonderful happenings to you,because
it does not fit into your criteria of how it should be?One of the hallmarks for that which is true,and onethatyou can totally rely on is the word Inclusiveness,that
is the Principle that underpins all of reality,both objective andsubjective,if a wave of re-cognision sweeps over you,and when this occurs you feel a real kinship with all other life,then this is Real,and to lock that reality into place one
needs to acquire acceptance.Of course there is a time and placefor questions,and there is equally a time for acceptance.

kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Guille my friend,you pose so many questions,some awarenessess just need to be accepted,they may be personal to you or general,it would seem by the way that maybe you or others would question events,that for your entire life you may postpone any acceptance of even maybe wonderful happenings to you,because it does not fit into your criteria of how it should be?One of the hallmarks for that which is true,and onethatyou can totally rely on is the word Inclusiveness,that is the Principle that underpins all of reality,both objective andsubjective,if a wave of re-cognision sweeps over you,and when this occurs you feel a real kinship with all other life,then this is Real,and to lock that reality into place one needs to acquire acceptance.Of course there is a time and placefor questions,and there is equally a time for acceptance.

That is the exact problem with me philosophizing. I end up always with far more questions than I had before, and far less answers with which I started. Instead of constructing a philosophy, which is why I try, I end up doubting that my principles for philosophyzing are correct... Therefore, it is imposible for me to philosophize. But Heidegger also saw the world as a very complex one, so, I think it's not that bad to see it complex... But I've still haven't answer the fundamental question I stated in my first post of this thread. What is everything? Is it just a set of members that share the relation ship of existence, or is it a whole system where members have correlations and are completelly connected?..... "kiss" doesn't work with my mind... Even if I want to make it work, my sub-consciousness will disagree. I think what works with me is TUINACAU (not a place in Hawaii): The Universe Is Not As Complex As U (you).

[michellemfry]

Michael, I hate the keep it simple stupid thing. It assaults the psyche with stupid. But I want to propose to you a thing called simpletime. In simpletime, the complex is assumed to exist, but for the sake of brevity a simple approach is found to be the most ordered way to proceed. There could be other times like mathtime and complextime and spacetime. It may not exist, but I've been using it for everything for awhile now. Complextime would be infinitely more detailed and assume to occupy more of your time for fewer and fewer details. Hence not to waste your time, if you don't have it to spend on the subject, but if you do it will require much of your time.

[mkirkpatrick]

Simple time it is then,I will remember?

kind regardsmichael.