[Lloyd Gillespie]

It's all a matter of timing Michael. Thought, in my world, only exists in the biosphere age of this planet, and possibly others out there, but also in their biosphere ages only. That means thought is only capable of extending to the biosphere's electrosphere's light/energy cone edge of its own age___required by the laws of physics. They ain't been wrong yet. And don't quote the lunacy of the past as laws of physics, please. You see I'm not argueing with you Michael, there is sound reasoning to my thoughts___they are based entirely on the laws of physics___as best as any human is capable... The last part you are referring to is the infinite matter energy of the universe___of course it extends into us and out or us, but we possess no power over it, as it's just the low entropy field of infinity___passing through. Thought, itself, is of the finite essence, even our exaggerated imaginations, though it may extend out into this unchanging infinite low entropy field, itself is finite due to being high entropy, it would not mix, until the final decay stage into true linear low entropy infinity___the two fields are too far out of phase___the laws of quantum mechanics forbid it.

Sorry,
Lloyd

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

Lloyd are you sure that you are fully aware of what you are saying?You said that I see
thought as producing matter,you see matter as producing thought,but Lloyd are they
not one of the same?Is it not a two way street here!If it flows one way Lloyd then by that
very principle it must flow the other way too!

You see Lloyd we do think alike after all-God bless you,my brother!


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Dave, Lloyd ..... I followed up on the 'Dark Matter' link. I went to the NASA site. I checked who is in charge of the Chandra X-Ray mission and its mission statement.

There can be no questions about the creditentials.

I then did my best, using the NASA site and the Wikpaedia, to understand why they reached the intrepretation that they have, albeit, possibly media-hyped along the way.

If you don't agree with the intrepretation of the gravitational lensing used to capture the image, how do you explain it ??[I do agree with it Greg, it's David who was questioning its validity, not me.]

In the 'Final Analysis' (for you michael ) what is your intrepretation ?

greg

Lloyd..........................................

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Oh, I understand it completely David. It's just you and I have different interpretations of how the initial singularity we both agree exists, of absolute matter motion, passes from it's initial state to the present state. I see it as absolute singularities all the way down, and you believe in quantum flux, through fluffy singularities, I suspect. I lean more toward standard models, and you more toward quantum models of universal evolution. These are just two different theories of universal evolution. My model has sound explanation for universal motion___I'm yet to hear your's, though I've asked you several times. This is an impass until you're willing to answer.

regards,

p.s.
David, check out this site about the advances in low temperature physics: http://spindry.phys.northwestern.edu/cryst1.htm

Hi Lloyd;
Having worked in the development and research of the semiconductor industry, these machines are not new to me, but I have always found them fascinating.

We discussed my views long ago; are you having memory problems or just another senior moment?

Our only real misunderstanding of each other comes from our lack of literary skills needed to express ourselves properly.

BTW: This is my last corporate endeavor if you're interested in fascinating mechines.
http://www.advanced-energy.com/

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Michael .... Etheric Matter and Dark Matter ... a rose by any other name

This is a very good description. But it is based on Science ... not Intelligent design ??

Michael ... have you changed sides ?? c'mon fess up
Greg

Well yes Greg it is based on science,on both esoteric science,and occult science,both of which have been around for thousands of years,and have completely answered all the
questions that baffle science today,and have known the answers for centuries,that still
baffle and bamboozle science today!

The western science is now looking eastward for guidence and help in explaining
universal manifestation,and the intelligence behind all matter.

regardsmichael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

The western science is now looking eastward for guidence and help in explaining universal manifestation,and the intelligence behind all matter.

regardsmichael.

No Michael, western science is not looking eastward for guidence. It/I already looked___It's not there...

Sorry,

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

No Michael, western science is not looking eastward for guidence. It/I already looked___It's not there...

Sorry,

You are mistaken in that statement Lloyd,they are indeed looking to the east for answers
it has been on the net,try reading it.


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick

You are mistaken in that statement Lloyd,they are indeed looking to the east for answers
it has been on the net,try reading it.


regards michael.

Those aren't scientists Michael, they are philosophers ...

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

We exist within an ocean of energies,from the dense physical matter to the highest mental
and etheric planes,and even finer into unknown vibrations of ultra frequencies that of spirit.

It is here on the physical plane where matter has the density and is "held" in crystallized
form,in the finer planes,such as the etheric plane,(thought)matter is "held" in a liquer like
state,which flows like a liquid,but would "appear" very sluggish to the higher and finer
states that exist along side all the others simultaneously,without any apparent torque
due to the fact of vibrational motioning,many states existing and occupying the same
space.
Thought starts its motioning momentum in the ultra-high vibrational state,and liquid-like
in a super-symmeterised state of ultra-rapid flow,then decends the vibrational scale to
finally emerge in the solid-looking crystallized state that we are all familiar with.
regards michael.

[theunify]

Michael there are those, including myself, that agree with you; every book I've read on Semantics agrees with you, "thoughts" are abtractions, the word is not the thing, there are those who catch this logic and those who get trapped in it.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by theunify

Michael there are those, including myself, that agree with you; every book I've read on Semantics agrees with you, "thoughts" are abtractions, the word is not the thing, there are those who catch this logic and those who get trapped in it.

I am most grateful for you words of support,word=willingness
openminedness
realisation
dawning.
By linking together like minded individuals can unify-theunify??


regards michael.