[mkirkpatrick]

In this thread I would like to present what I would call the Final Analysis of expression
and in-form-ation,I am suggesting that we,and all that is manifest with the universe,are
the result of crystallization of thought.

Thoughts made manifest,crystallized into form by intention and "will",an idea becomes
in-formed,(formed from within)and emerges into "physical reality" the intagible,becomes
tangible.

All "ideas" of the absolute become immutable universal laws once crystallized,when we
are able to gaze very deeply into "form" we will eventually "see"the idea behind the
presenting form?

What this suggests is that we are indelibly linked and a part of the whole,each of us
is connected and interconnected with the "whole Idea" of manifested form-ation!


regards michael.

[dleviwing]

What a crock!!!

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing What a crock!!!

Thank you David,you did mean a crock of gold surely you did!
It reminds me of the crock of gold brought by the Leprechauns,you have
heard of these little fellows have you not david,maybe you will bump into
on soon,be careful if you do though David,(they are ill mannered ignorant
and bad tempered,like some I know notfar from here)know what I mean?

warm regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thank you David,you did mean a crock of gold surely you did! It reminds me of the crock of gold brought by the Leprechauns. warm regards michael.

Michael .. if my memory is working .. the Leprechaun had just finished burying his crock of gold beneath a fruit tree in an Orchard. Dave came along, following a rainbow, and catching sight of the little bastard, grabbed him by the throat and started squeezing, refusing to let go, until the little feller had pointed out the exact tree.

Dave booted him up the arse, and sent him on his way after extracting a promise not to dig up the crock. Leprechauns are evil little pricks but by the second law of crystallised thought they are unable to break promises.

Dave tied a red ribbon around the tree and hurried off in uniform motion to get his spade. Imagine his horror when he returned to find a red ribbon tied around every tree !!

Ever since then, Dave has very little time for fairy tales, crystallised or not



I wouldn't be surprised if some moderator removes this crock to the many worlds pub ... where even Leprechauns can have a beer..

The best of the blarney to both of you

greg

[mkirkpatrick]

I believe that I shall see the day.and it is not too far off,when mainstream science,and
physics,realise what has been known for centuries by some,that matter,and energy,are
all the outworkings of thought,pure and simple!

All you militant materialists will have to be re-educated into the reality of form and how
ideation and intent crystallize into matter and energy.

On the periphery creeping slowly inwards,is the idea that thought lies at the back of matter,many scientists already have this notion,so to do a few physicists,there numbers
are steadily growing,soon these militant materialists will find them selves surrounded
by their alleged colleagues,who will be calling a very different tune indeed,they will find
their tired and worn out claptrap,will be resigned to the dustbin,for recycling into something useful for once.

regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Hi Greg;
Very amusing post. You’re probably right that it belongs in the pub, but this is Michael’s thread and it is up to him. If he would like to have it moved or deleted, I will do so. (That include my post also.)

There is logic to Michael’s thinking, but no means to apply verification by testing. It goes back to the time when the human race created god to explain the unexplainable. It would appear we have not made the advances of knowledge everyone else thinks we have.
---------------------------------------------------
It's nice that you have such a good sense of humor Michael. I could be wrong about that too.

[mkirkpatrick]

You can leave it where it is Dave,it will serve a useful purpose,unbeknown to you
though !

regards michael.

[Graybeard]

I am sorry if it appears i was taking the mickey.

However, the idea of crystallised thought is similar to the TaTaTaa of a different toe forum.

Ben Broere is arguing that creativity existed before (or during) the big bang, the idea being that creativity is not a purely human phenomena, but can exist even inorganically ........ could it be ... and ben poses this ... that some form of order is embedded in the universe and is as much a part of it as hydrogen. (perhaps you should read his thread starter as my intrepretation may not be yours)

Crystallised thought, embedded creativity, Low Entropy, Unification ... broadly speaking ... these names could be used to describe the same unknowable ...

greg

PS:Michael ... I am with you on the patterns ... but why do we all see them differently .. but still recognise a commonality ... is this a human trait .. or a universal trait ??

[mkirkpatrick]

No worries mate.Greg,I will take alook at that thread opener,as you suggested mate.

I am glad you see patterns,for they are there,why do you think that water freezing
on glass resembles ferns?the crystallization of the liquid reveals some of the "hidden
intent" vouchsafed within the water!

Embedded within all matter is "the idea of form-il-zation"is that crystal clear!

crystals give form to elements,they provide a body for expressing elemental
form?We are made up from the elements,earth,air,fire,and water,all express
crystalline form? need I say more!

De-formatiom,to unravel the appearance of form,and see what is its matrix,in the final
analysis,as I am attempting to illustrate here,there will be found "an idea" a motion of
will-full intent micro-encapsulated within the existing form.Steeped down from its "high
estate" by will-full intent,matter is formed,and condenses,congeals,(made to become
semi-solid by cooling?lowering?The result of this condensing is matter form at its lowest
state,at its highest state it is thought,matter and all universal form are the direct result
of this crystallization process.


regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick De-formatiom,to unravel the appearance of form,and see what is its matrix,in the final analysis

Michael ... In strictly scientific terms, that is, currently accepted as the most plausible and likely state-of-the-universe ... 'the standard model'.

De-formation has already unravelled the appearance of form in the Standard Model.

(a)...When the mass of all apparent matter in the solar system is calculated, everything works out fine. The further from the sun a planet is, the weaker the suns gravitational pull, the slower the planet orbits. The Math predicts the course of the Solar System as we expect.

(b)... When the mass of all apparent matter in the galaxy(s) is calculated, everything does not work out fine. The further out a Sun is from the centre of a galaxy the weaker the gravitational pull from the Black Hole in the centre , the slower it should orbit on its spiral arm, just like a larger Solar System. The Math predicts that, as the centre spins, the slower outer arms should stretch and disintergrate because the centre is spinning faster. This does not happen. The arms keep pace with the centre. But they don't have enough mass (material .. or.. matter-in-motion ) to do this. How can this be ??

Well, no one knows.... but ... if you calculate the mass of these outer stars, on the basis of what their mass would have to be in order for them to behave the way they do. Well ... guess what ... You need 9-10 times more mass (material .. or.. matter-in-motion ) than the Galaxy has !!!

(c) .. Independent of the above problem, it is now known that the Universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate. That is, unlike an explosion, where the material reaches maximum velocity initially and then slows as the energy of the explosion is spent, a big bang in effect, the universe is not only continuing to expand, but its doing it faster and faster. Space is 'growing' between objects not contained by gravity. This expansion is independent of the speed of light.. in fact the rate of this expansion can reach infinite speed, because space is not mass. Where does the Energy driving this expansion come from ??.

Well, no one knows .. but .. if you calculate the rate of expansion between galaxies on the basis of what Energy would be needed to make the Universe behave the way it does. Well .... guess what .... You need a huge amount of extra energy that we just don't have. In fact the receipe for what our Universe contains is............

(2-5% all known matter + all known energy) + (20-25% Dark Matter) + (75% Dark Energy) = 100% Universe. In the Final Analysis this is the Standard Model.!!

The only plausible alternative is that gravity is variable from place to place and time to time .... which defies Newton and doesn't initially make a lot of sense.

Wikpaedia on dark energy ...Invoking such an effect is currently the most popular method for explaining recent observations that the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate, as well as accounting for a significant portion of the missing mass in the universe.

MKirkPatrick....as I am attempting to illustrate here,there will be found "an idea" a motion of will-full intent micro-encapsulated within the existing form...........matter is formed, and condenses, congeals, (made to become semi-solid by cooling? lowering? The result of this condensing is matter form at its lowest state, at its highest state it is thought, matter and all universal form are the direct result of this crystallization process.

In the Final-Analysis you only appear to be referring to 2-5% of the Universe. 'Matter and all universal form, formed, condenses, congealed, etc is not allowing for the unformed, uncongealed, and uncondensed ...

Dark Energy/Matter is not matter as you refer, nor does it have universal form as you refer. If your crystallisation process is to encompass and apply to the universe it has to explain the unknown (dark) Matter/Energy without which we would not be what we are ???


Cool Bananas Greg