[Eric]

Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba

Thanks Eric, for your bold observation,that humanity needs a new Logic; an absolute logic.

You're welcome. I'm glad you recognize it as bold, because "bold" is what it's turning out to be. Bold, in that I often hear, "who do you think you are"?

Those who ask this question, however, don't understand that's it's not about me, but about the logic and its value to mankind (including me).

...that will lead to a unified understanding of the common crux of religion, philosophy and science: That the Self-creator and Equator of All in all-Cosmos is God.

Yes, as Einstein said, they're all branches of the same tree. However, to show them as such, requires an absolutely rigorous form of logic, that only the "biased" will not see as self-evident.

Eric

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric

Lloyd,

Whether it's stated as such or not, what science is looking for is a theory and observation, that aren't relative. Right now, when we say "we know what we know", we also have to say "it depends".

Science is lacking an absolute reference point (frame of reference). This is not a put-down of science, but an accurate assessment of science. Eric

Eric, this is not true. Science does have an absolute reference point[frame of reference]___It's called temperature, and the only absolute scientific measuring instrument is a thermometer. It's just most scientists fail to recognize this simple absolute fact___temperature is the absolutely measurable absolute___period___thermalicity. Measure all reality with a simple thermometer, and absolute reality is very clear...

regards,

[Eric]

Um, ok Lloyd.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie

Eric, this is not true. Science does have an absolute reference point[frame of reference]___It's called temperature, and the only absolute scientific measuring instrument is a thermometer. It's just most scientists fail to recognize this simple absolute fact___temperature is the absolutely measurable absolute___period___thermalicity. Measure all reality with a simple thermometer, and absolute reality is very clear...

regards,

Lloyd;
This is about the dumbest thing you've said so far.
Did you have a traumatic experience with a thermometer when you were young?
Scientist know quite well what temperature is and they know how and when to apply it to science. It is annoying that incompetent laymen think they have greater understanding of science than the scientist.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Lloyd;
It is annoying that incompetent laymen think they have greater understanding of science than the scientist.

David, if you noticed, Eric has been pushing the envelop into the infinite absolute, which actually has no meaning to me, other than objective reality, but when logic is pushed to such impossible levels by metaphysical desires, which infinity just happens to allow, one may counter with the rediculous to the rediculous, if one chooses... Now, the most imcompetent lay idea I have seen is "an absolute finite quantity of motion" with no founding scientific analysis. By stating such a foolish belief, one is making the same mistake Einstein made___a finite unbounded universe___thus one's theory of such ends in the same space-time quagmire of the same unrealizable science. Logically, if our universe were made up of only "an absolute finite quantity of motion", it would be required, by the laws of thermodynamics, to die a very fast heat death___it doesn't, so the answer lies somewhere else___infinite/finite thermodynamics...? So, I'd advise you to re-think "an absolute fixed amount of finite motion", and I'll deal with others, as I see fit...

We could spend our time more fruitfully investigating the truths of infinite space thermal matter motion, on into a true finiteness model of universal evolution... Infinity is not a theory David___it absolutely does exist___try even doing the rational math of tG^tG___that's a trillion googol to the power of a trillion googol. I think your simple computer will have considerable trouble, and this is nowheres near as large as numbers can go... I do agree with you, it's not very sensible to use such exaggerated large and small sizes, but the unbelievers and skeptics always will, and they outnumber us by almost 90%. If we are going to make any sense to them, we must close this infinity loophole in our sciences, and to them, temperature is the only infinite/finite, I know of, that is absolute, and always absolutely provable, to senses or instruments___at least from the scientific community's point of view, to them... You may say it is not important, that we reach them___we'll just stay with the scientists, but you may be unfamiliar with the Greeks' loss of logical intelligences to the later schools of skepticism, mysticism and Christianity, etc. Are you not aware, it can just as easily happen again, unless science cleans its own infinity house, first...?

regards,

[Eric]

Eric has been pushing the envelope into the infinite absolute...

The Absolute is not infinite.

Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.

Pay attention.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Eric

The Absolute is not infinite.

Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.
Absolute first. Infinite second. Finite third.

Pay attention.[Your personal private language has no interest to me. The infinite is absolute___thermal matter motion___one space___not three___three of one.]

Eric, absolute is a word, an ontic word at that___it has too many meanings to have any meaning, until defined about something real___the logic of something real___for the tenth time... It is absolutely undefinable___by itself, alone___too purposely paradoxical... Study an unabridged dictionary and a good thesaurus...

Wake up...!

[Eric]

My point is to quit misquoting me.

You can be constrained by dictionary definitions if you like. You can also assume what "real" means.

You can do anything you like, but quit ****************king mistquoting me.

[sillysally]

Hi everyone, I figured infinity today. It’s actually kinda easy to understand.

First put yourself in three frames of mind, before current past. You have to understand the three are simultaneous first and all time is concurrent. Infinity is like two zeros, they equal 2 and infinity. So there is an end to infinity, the past and future are the 2 zero's and when they overlap you have current. Current is where infinity ends.

It's like the yin yang thing and current is the repulsive attraction between the past and future. With balance you need a scale, the scale is the third part, repulsion, current. That's why the overlap of current seems so small, our lifetimes compared to past and future are infinite. It's all the same, it all coexists simultaneously.

Only permanence can't be shattered or the ability to not change, hence God, that's why he won't go away and why time occurs all at once and why God has no concept of time because there isn’t any.

[sillysally]

While I was in the bathtub just now, I was thinking I better explain how you are all three times.

No matter what, everyone will be a part of history, whether we live one day or 100 years, you will always be part of the past, you will always exist in the past. No matter what you do, no matter how insignificant your life, you will always effect the future, whether it be through your children or some great idea or just littering. Both past and future cancel out current, which make our current existance equal to eternal or infinity. We are all immortal in this sense.

Have a nice day or night.