[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by sillysally

There is no motion.

Past ( ) Future
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Current

That's a picture of the past and future behind us. You don't use it to fix, you use it to be in control. There is nothing to fix if you control it

The future and past is not an illusion when you can pass it. You are ahead of it. The current part diagram I made should be more centered, but now that I see it, it might be more on the side of the future since it is more recently passed.

Sally, controlling it is fixing our misuse of it - when we do not control it then we need to fix that loss of control. We do not fix it we fix our misuse of it. It does not need fixing we do.

Sally imagine that you are in a rowboat and you are facing forward looking out to sea - your boat is moving at the same rate as the water and you are slowly drifting out to sea - you are not aware of this because your boat and the water are moving at the same speed - and that creates the illusion that you are standing still - there are people on the shore who are calling out to you they can see that you are drifting further and further from the shore out to sea but you can not hear them you are to far out.

The boat is our body - the sea is the sea of existence - our physical-material existence - both the physical-material universe and our body are vibrating at the same rate of frequency - this is causing us the illusion that everything is standing still - but in fact our consciousness is drifting away from its infinite self - in the discontnous motion of thought i.e. the boat and we have lost all awareness of our true Infinite Conscious Self.

Some people who have risen above body- consciousness are on the shore they see that we are drifting and call out to us but we are so far out - so lost in the illusion - that we do not hear them and blindly continue to our death.

We do not reconnect to our spirit i.e. our Infinite - Immortal - Consciousness and we continue on the "Wheel of Life" which grinds all alike until we get another human form and have another chance to get off the ever rotating "wheel of Life" driven by our karma i.e. our thoughts - words - and deeds from our past - and created in the present - future lives.

The current is our conscious self that we have lost awareness of and we have identified with the electro-magnet energy of thought i.e. matter and we are lost in this illusion adrift at sea - and die alone without knowing and merging in our True "Immortal Self"

Sally, do you think anyone here at ToeQuest realizes that what we are discussing is the T.O.E. that they are all supposedly looking for?

This knowledge as a precious gem of inestiminable value is lost in the house (the body) and everyone is outside looking in the front yard of the world. Man -- Know -- ThySelf ! ! ! ! !

William

[sillysally]

Yes.

I am confused about fixing the misuse of it. I think that's what forgiveness is all about. All the wrong is on the other side, it's not behind you anymore, the future is.

No more excuses, some people either know how they appear or they don't. Telling them so won't make them change their mind, so they must be controlled instead. They have no choice in the matter.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by sillysally

Going back to the car analogy.

Vehicles are not designed with the driver in the center, you always are on one side. The current is at a dead stop, as in when we are always in an eternal state. The future and past are in motion.

Too bad cars weren't designed with drivers in the center, then we can control the past too. But since we are ahead of it, but on a different side.....

Hmmm, sometimes being the experiment is more fun than being the scientist. That means I am in control.

Ummmm .... High performance race cars such as formula 1, 3, 3000...etc ... for aerodynamic and stability reasons have drivers in the centre..... so far as I know this has not enabled them to control the past ....

greg

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Ummmm .... High performance race cars such as formula 1, 3, 3000...etc ... for aerodynamic and stability reasons have drivers in the centre..... so far as I know this has not enabled them to control the past ....

greg

Now now Greg, you can't be so sure of that. Unless you can measure every split hair of the current moment that passes you by, there is no way for you to tell whether history has been altered. It changes your entire memory/history since each is an eternal dead stop. Besides, I suddenly have a memory of my friends calling me Bobby Rahal, I didn’t have that nickname for nothing.

[Graybeard]

Perhaps I should have said that sitting in the centre does not give them any more control over the past than sitting on the left or right ?

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Perhaps I should have said that sitting in the centre does not give them any more control over the past than sitting on the left or right ?

I don't think any position a person has makes a difference, as long as you are ahead (everybody is when they drive). I can be a garbage lady and you can be a rocket scientist, if one of is isn't ahead of the other without the other feeling some lag, then that person falls in the stagnating/unaltering history catagory. In a sense we can alter the past/history with everything we do currently. Some people stagnate history by clinging to it and others try to make history by changing what is known about it.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by sillysally

In a sense we can alter the past/history with everything we do currently. Some people stagnate history by clinging to it and others try to make history by changing what is known about it.

Hmmmmmm.... If you look up 'the delayed choice' experiment, your quote above goes very close to its results.

cheers ...... greg

[sillysally]

I've never heard of it but I'll do a search to see if I understand it.

[sillysally]

It might as well of been written in Swahili, I don't understand like an observer, just an experiencer.

Or maybe my choice is delayed and I will in a moment....

Nah, babies crying, gotta go!

[JulienMciver]

Well, to me, on a mathematical scale, infinity is the only real number, as all numbers are derived from infinity, and infinity is derived from all numbers. In order to reach an infinity of seconds you must first reach 1. In order to reach 1, infinity must be reached. So then, is it not logical to assume that all time time has to happen in less than infinity. And therefore has to happen as the previous second happens? THen, all time has to be happening and not happening at the same time because it is imposible to reach infinity, and the only way to truely reach it is to encompass the whole of infinity at once. So time and space must then be one dimensional. Because that is a point. It's not flat, it has no shape it just is. Then time must then be a human perception, purely artificial. Because an atom or a rock would not experience time as a human does. Space is also infinitely infinite. To reach 1 metre you must reach an infinity of metres as well. As far as god goes, God is described as infinite. Whether God is existence or non existence I can't say, because to me he is both and neither. I think this because if he is infinite, and infinity is inifinitely derived from infinity. Then God can be derived from everything. And everything can be derived from God. So therefore, God must have the properties that everything exhibits, and everything must have the properties that God exhibits. So God and time must be inherently similar. And if time exists and doesn't all at once. THen God exists and doesn't all at once. So does space. So I think everything we know comes down to artificial perception. Can we understand how reality exists if reality is a fundamental part of us? Chemicals and energy are made from reality (Or non-reality). And our brains are purely chemical and energy based. And everything we observe is built up of chemicals and energy. How can we understand what isn't built up of chemicals and energy? I gave up using englilsh as a medium to try and explain reality long ago, because english is artificial. Reality isn't human, it isn't artificial, it isn't chemical. Once you've theorised further than what you see and hear, english becomes useless. And I can't explain the theory any further.