[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks dr.w.I too have tried this exorcise many times over the years,the feed back that I
thought would prehaps indicate that I was approaching sainthhood,was sadly not forthcoming!How we see ourselves,and how others see us,is often very different indeed.

As the years have progressed I believe there is a more unified opinion of my self,but I am
equally aware that our capacity for self-delusion knows no bounds?


The quest for self-understanding is a vast journey into largely undiscovered country!



regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Can we truly even talk of self-understanding, or is the depth of the subject too tabboo? I was thinking earlier today of what is truly behind all this human carnage of divergent thought systems, and I approached it in a fashion I hadn't for some time. About two years ago, my Buddhist friend told me the most important issue to him was gender equity, and I of course disagreed, because I saw that same issue as one of the world's greatest problems. So, we had an impasse, that we never resolved, and it surfaced again in my mind in an entirely new light, and I asked myself, "What is behind this gender differences actions of different cultures, belief systems and sciences?" As soon as I asked it in this manner, I had an epiphany. I was able to see behind the total actions of humanity, to the deepest levels of self-understanding, but, is this area too tabboo to talk about?

I'm going to talk about it no matter who's feelings I may offend, as I feel it the most important subject, in the possible unification process of any TOE, we may dream up. My epiphany was about the gender issue, but not of gender equity, but of gender prejudices, differences, desires and false beliefs, of both East and West systems of thought. Since childhood, I've really been nothing more than an analytic observing soul, of the human condition of both species. I early saw the women worshipping a two thousand year old dead man, when their own men were shunned. I heard both talk of the other's ideas as though it were old hat, whether of the women's conversations of the men, or the men's of the women's. I asked the women questions, and usually got the same rote religious non-sense. So I'd go ask the men, and usually got quite a bit of analytical thought, about these differences of views. Now what was this? The women seemed to lean toward being easily brainwashed, and brainwashing other women into the same rote system, that existed in the West for 20 centuries, yet most men were immuned. My family, on the men's side, is still immune to these old wive's tales, yet most of their women, still worship this 2000 year old dead man, more than their husbands, so I have to ask the question of gender equity, "Who needs it, the women or the men?" The way I see it, the prejudice of beliefs is first in the women's minds, then is transferred to the children, husbands and other men. The rest of my epiphany is the fact that, a oneness of analytic wisdom lies deeper in the minds of both species, to solve this ignorant prejudice of views. The deeper self of women is being ignored, more so, than is the deeper self of men. This in turn, influences the entire Western culture, in less than favorable circumstances. My final analysis is, any belief in other, between man and woman, separates man and woman, and eventually, family suffers. If they both believe, let them enjoy their insanity.

Now, as to the East, and it's influence on the West, we have a whole other set of problems. First, let's take the West's headlong march, by many, into the Eastern beliefs. Oh, they say it's much better than Western beliefs. They say it's not a belief at all. It's energy, on and on the praise goes, but what's behind the veil of the West's ignorance? How does this new age entry, work the same separation of man, woman, families? Because, I assure you, it does. Let's see who they are worshipping. Oh, it's another set of gurus, very similar to the two thousand year old one, they're simply replacing, but these ones are more esoteric to the Western mind, so a period of bewilderment and confussion is taking place, for now. But, when everyone awakes, and finds their women marching off to new drummers, then the problem is easily revealed___any belief in other, between mates, separates mates and families, unless they believe the same foolishness. Now, why is this you may ask? Just look at the true path history of the East's gurus, as a whole. The largest majority of gurus are charlatans by simple definition___they abandon family responsibilities and shun their own children, to march away, around their 50's in age, and seek to worship with a guru who is doing nothing but worshipping his own self-ego, thus they end worshipping their own self-egos. They can never advance beyond this stage because they have broken Karma, by destroying the souls of their wives and children, when they left and shunned them. Oh, they can learn the Zen koans of centuries past, and become great pretenders of wisdom, but true wisdom is impossible, for such charlatans.

An eminent psychologist, Victor Frankel, once stated; "America has a statue of liberty on the East coast. It needs a statue of responsibility on the West coast." I think that's pretty good advise. So, we see the East has its special circumstances of beliefs, also separating her own citizens happiness, just as much as any others, who believe these false charlatans. There's a deeper meaning and understanding in all of us than gender prejudice, because this is all this is, when one realizes it's all male chauvinism, pride, vanity, greed and pure patriarchal manipulations of the innocent spirits. The deeper self can see through this charlatanism, for what it truly is, and recover their true souls of wholistic understanding of true analytic gender Oneness...!

Regards,
The Soul Demon


p.s.
We all think alike at the deepest levels___many are just afraid to express it...

[Infinite Consciousness]

Lloyd, check the word egoist and then egotist and see if they rings any bells with you ?

[mkirkpatrick]

Presence builds on awareness,awareness encompassing physical sensations,emotions,and thoughts.Strong contact with sensation throughout the whole of the body serves as an
excellent foundation for consciousness to arise.Contact,in turn,with the pure,underlying
screen of consciousness serves as the foundation of presence,a vehicle to carry presence,
an invitation to presence to reside in us.


Into this basic consciousness,we,our true will,can enter.To really live,means to live in
presence.Without presence,our time passes,lost like yesterdays sunset.With presence,we
bring the timeless to time,transforming it,as well as ourselves and our lives.


As our ignorance falls away,and if replaced by an understanding that there is so much
to being ourselves than we ever could have realized.

tbc

regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

EXERCISE
Sit quietly and observe your awareness. Are you aware of your body and its sensations ? Are you aware of your environment ? Are you aware of other people ? Are you aware of your thoughts ? Realize that awareness of your body, your environment, and your thoughts is called "body consciousness."

We must rise above this body consciousness and reconnect to the Infinite consciousness in the eye focus where the two eyes meet and become single. Michael says," Into this basic consciousness (body consciousness), we, our true will can enter." That is not correct we must rise up out of body consciousness and merge in this infinite conscious spirit and only then do we enter in it and it then comes down into the body.

Now, sit quietly again and focus your attention on your single or third eye. Try to stay focused there without any awareness of your body, your environment, and your thoughts. See how long you can keep your mind free of any distracting thougfhts. This is the first step in meditation or concentration. It is the beginning of the withdrawal of your attention from the world to the still point at the third eye.

Attaining Spiritual Consciousness

Spiritual consciousness is our birthright. It is the highest attainment that we can achieve in our lifetime. We may have thought that these states were the monopoly of saints, but the experimentation of modern scientists and mystics confirms that the average person may also enjoy spiritual consciousness.

There are simple steps to spiritual consciousness. Unbounded joy, happiness, and inner peace await us when we discover the freedom, the exhilaration, and the wonder of enlightenment that comes from attaining spiritual consciousness.

What is spiritual consciousness ? It is becoming conscious of the soul and God or Infinite Consciousness within us. Most of us are aware of our body, of the thoughts passing through our mind, and of the world around us. This is called body or physical consciousness. But we are more than our body or mind. We are actually a soul,a conscious entity which inhabits the body.

This consciousness at the level of soul, independent of our body and mind, is what is termed spiritual consciousness. The steps to spiritual consciousness are simple aned can be practiced by people of all religions, all nationalities, and all walks of life. The method is available for all those who wish to discover the treasure of their soul and the infinite consciousness, joy, peace, and bliss latent within.

The first step to spiritual consciousness is learning the art of meditation. The next step is to achieve personal transformation so that we can lead a life in the world that increases our spiritual consciousness. It involves living life in such a way that our consciousness remains centered in our soul while we are attending to our wordly duties and responsibilities.

Spiritual consciousness is actually all consciousness. It is awareness of everything there is to be known. It is like tapping into a master computer network in which all knowledge is programmed. Through meditation we gain access to this infinite source of wisdom.

Re: Right understanding reveals the T.O.E

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Lloyd, check the word egoist and then egotist and see if they rings any bells with you ?

Get with the program___same word. I prefer egoist. When I think of egoists, I see the world's conspiracy of charlatanic beliefs, against the facts...

regards,

Spiritual consciousness is actually all consciousness. It is awareness of everything there is to be known. It is like tapping into a master computer network in which all knowledge is programmed. Through meditation we gain access to this infinite source of wisdom.

Then why don't you know the TOE...? If you know so much, explain the science of your "consciousness"___cognitively...

regards,

[dleviwing]

Lloyd;
This is the metaphysics forum; why do you expect to see scientific explanations????

[Dr. Waldrope]

I.C.

Very good point.

Lloyd,

The process I.C. speaks of is just that... a process. One might spend their entire lives in the process and still not know the TOE. This doesn't mean that the path is not worth following. Who knows, maybe the next meditation will reveal just that(TOE). It is, perhaps, not the destination but the path that is important.

D.
Since this is a meta-p thread, I will say this:
True Metaphysics is science (just not an empirical one). co-subjective observation can be just as informative as objective observation. The fact that the info derived from a subjective or co-subjective observation may be more easily qualified than quantified does not make it useless. This experience may lead one to explore more empirical leads that might reveal a testable and empirically verifiable truth. There are cases were dreams or altered states have led empiricists to develop perfectly acceptable "facts" that are now "mainstream" science.

yours,
dr.w

[Infinite Consciousness]

Yes, the synthetic phenol ring benzene nucleus structure created by cracking i.e. the removal of hydrogen atoms by the petroleum industry creating a synthetic that does not exist in nature for the Pharmaceutical Industry to create their psyco-active drugs from that structure.

I believe the persons name was Kekule who dreamed how that structure bonded. In my estimation "carbon dioxide is not the problem - the synthetic phenol-ring benzene nucleus structure is the problem - it is a matching molecular structure to dopemine which is a major neurotransmitter in our brains with branches into the frontal lobe (i.e our higher intellect) into the motor area controlling all movement and into our limbic or emotional area controlling our emotions.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Lloyd; This is the metaphysics forum; why do you expect to see scientific explanations????

Here's why, Dave...

In the modern world, metaphysics can only be interpreted as science, as the world long ago scientifically evolved far beyond all meta-worlds. Though many will still use these definitions, due to not realizing the significance of meanings lost, we still must isomorphically unite these ideas into scientific understandings of the real world, whether that be the science of spirit, or the spirit of science. The fact is there are two distinct, scientific analytic minds___left and right___spirit and science. Though they don't make much sense to each other___they do exist___that is a scientific fact...

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness For your information, Egotism,egoism = a habit of thinking to much about self. (i.e. little self). Egotism (egotist) emphasizes conceit, boasting, and selfishness, and means always talking about oneself and one's own affairs and trying to get attention. Egoism (egoist) emphasizes being self-centered and looking at everyone and everything only as it affects oneself and one's own welfare, but does not suggest boasting or annoying conceit, nor always selfishness.

IC, you know, if you'd ever take the time to read and understand what someone else writes, in depth, you wouldn't get so frustrated. The post that caused all your egoistic consternation, was not coming from my ego, as you falsely interpreted___it was penned from my root soul, of the poor, abused, starving and dying women and children, of the world. I think they deserve a voice___once in a while, don't you...?

So, next time you go off all half-cocked, don't you think it may be wise to try and ascertain whether someone is being sincere, from their soul, or boastful and selfish, from their ego...?

Wake-up,
Lloyd