[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Can we answer this question? Why does mass attract another mass? Is it because of some inherent property in mass or because of the curvature in space time?

My thought was that the movement of space into the time dimension causes a warping of space near a mass. Sort of a reluctance to the movement into time. The same type of effect that is experienced when a mass is accelerated in space. The space is containing the mass so becomes warped by its reluctance to move. Then other objects are drawn together because of their mutual warp in space that is caused by the movement of the mass into time along with the space. The space that is not occupied by a mass has little or no reaction to this movement. This type of action could account for what we experience without the need to see gravity as a prime cause.

John

[dipayankar]

Okay I agree to this point. However what would cause the space dimensions to move into time? Inertia? But inertia is a property of mass...

Originally Posted by everymansmedium My thought was that the movement of space into the time dimension causes a warping of space near a mass. Sort of a reluctance to the movement into time. The same type of effect that is experienced when a mass is accelerated in space. The space is containing the mass so becomes warped by its reluctance to move. Then other objects are drawn together because of their mutual warp in space that is caused by the movement of the mass into time along with the space. The space that is not occupied by a mass has little or no reaction to this movement. This type of action could account for what we experience without the need to see gravity as a prime cause. John

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Okay I agree to this point. However what would cause the space dimensions to move into time? Inertia? But inertia is a property of mass...

Hello Dipayankar:

That truly is the question. This must be a natural process of the primary force that is responsible for all things. If space did not move into time then there could be not motion possible in space. Think it is because of time that two or more objects can occupy the same space as long as it is a different time. This indicates that this is no longer the same space as it was, it must be a totally new unoccupied space as would be indicated by a new dimension. If you consider all the space that there is available in all of the universe, then you add one new time frame, you have just doubled all of the space in the universe. Then in the next time frame you have tripled the space. For every time frame you create a totally new space. Then the amount of space that is actually available is all that we can see, (times) as many time frames as have ever passed by before this NOW.

I am still not sure if the concept of gravity as a result of that movement into time is an improvement or regression relative to my original concept.

Even if gravity is not considered as a prime cause there is still the primary force that is responsible for the fields that result with space and time that must be depicted explicitly. So what ever gain that is made by eliminating gravity simply displaces the burden to a less familiar variable. It may be that the face of gravity was misleading the search. If this is the case then to find the field that causes space might be less misleading than was gravity. I am beginning to think this does not give us the gain that I originally thought. It might help with a logical insight of the functions. But it does not seem to reduce the distance between us and the UFT. The unknown variables are still unknown, It just shifts them to a slightly different vantage point.

Note: the UFT (Unified Field Theory) I did not use the term TOE as this is not the same goal. As the UFT These are totally different goals.
John

[dipayankar]

Three observations from this post John:

1) Does time split space? If it does then does it 'create' new dimensions at every instance? Is there a limit to this 'creation?'

2) Why does this concept seem so similar to parallel universe to me?

3) I am of the opinion (in conjunction with your idea) that gravity is a pseudo force that is created because of the motion of space itself.

If these obeservations are true, then we could actully go on and deduce a ToE on our own... say what???

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Dipayankar: That truly is the question. This must be a natural process of the primary force that is responsible for all things. If space did not move into time then there could be not motion possible in space. Think it is because of time that two or more objects can occupy the same space as long as it is a different time. This indicates that this is no longer the same space as it was, it must be a totally new unoccupied space as would be indicated by a new dimension. If you consider all the space that there is available in all of the universe, then you add one new time frame, you have just doubled all of the space in the universe. Then in the next time frame you have tripled the space. For every time frame you create a totally new space. Then the amount of space that is actually available is all that we can see, (times) as many time frames as have ever passed by before this NOW. I am still not sure if the concept of gravity as a result of that movement into time is an improvement or regression relative to my original concept. Even if gravity is not considered as a prime cause there is still the primary force that is responsible for the fields that result with space and time that must be depicted explicitly. So what ever gain that is made by eliminating gravity simply displaces the burden to a less familiar variable. It may be that the face of gravity was misleading the search. If this is the case then to find the field that causes space might be less misleading than was gravity. I am beginning to think this does not give us the gain that I originally thought. It might help with a logical insight of the functions. But it does not seem to reduce the distance between us and the UFT. The unknown variables are still unknown, It just shifts them to a slightly different vantage point. Note: the UFT (Unified Field Theory) I did not use the term TOE as this is not the same goal. As the UFT These are totally different goals. John

[everymansmedium]

Hello Friends:
I Think that for every quantum instance of time there is a new space created. This is not an additional dimension. It is a totally new space that is exactly the same as the previous space except for the changes that we see as movement. This is the way an additional dimension works. Think about a dimensionless point, to create a dimension you have the dimension travel at a right angle to the point. Now the point has become a line of one dimension. This one dimension contains an infinite number of dimensionless points that we started with. Now make a new dimension travel at right angles to every conceivable point on the line. Now you have a plane that contains an infinite number of lines in the plane. Now one more time you travel outward at right angles to every conceivable point in the plane of 2 dimensions. You now have a volume of 3 dimensions that contains an infinite number of planes. Now one more time you do the same thing as before. The dimension travels outward at right angles to every conceivable point in the volume that is our existing 3 dimensional space. Now you create an infinite number of volumes / universes because of the 4th dimension of time. This thought is only the logical standard progression of dimensions. For every instance of time there is a totally new universe. Two objects can not occupy the same space unless it is in a different time. Then the time dimension is constantly creating new space. What happens to the old space? It must be still there. But it is in the past and inaccessible. It is quite obvious that everything happens at NOW. This is all that is accessible to us. It is the point of continuing creation. Time is the creator of all space and everything that is in it. THAT IS ALL THERE IS FOLKS. You now have a 4 dimensional verbal picture of time and space You have only to look and you will see.

There is no movement in space. All movement is in time only. Space is an unmoving solid that contains the changes from one instance to another as a solid unmoving frame of space. Like the film for a holographic movie. Smile folks we are on candid camera!

This is exactly what I have been saying sense I came here to Toequest. The idea that gravity might be the result of this movement is a new thought. Maybe it is true maybe not. It really does not make much difference, as all that it does is displace the variables directly to the field that creates space and the field that creates time. That is where the TOE is. The rest is simply particulars.

About working together. I am already involved with a publishing house.
I am interested in working with a group toward the simulation of self.
Either programmer or not all people are needed. I will release what ever information that you will need to be of help. This is not going to be a task this is going to be great fun.
Note I am not a capitalist this undertaking will be done without any class separation and totally for the good of humanity. I am constantly told you can not do this in a capital world. I say if we create the greatest helper for mankind that has ever been created. Then to do so within a not for profit company that is designed to make every owner of the companion a member that is due a financial feed back as the company begins to make money. Then in time we will not be living in a capitalist society, amen.
Who has a better idea. Show me a better way and I will drop everything and follow you.
See my blog comment #13
Can you tell I am getting tired of pulling my punches.
John.

[dipayankar]

The issue is every thought leads to a theory. If we stop thinking radically then no new invention or discovery will emerge..

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello Friends: I Think that for every quantum instance of time there is a new space created. This is not an additional dimension. It is a totally new space that is exactly the same as the previous space except for the changes that we see as movement. This is the way an additional dimension works. Think about a dimensionless point, to create a dimension you have the dimension travel at a right angle to the point. Now the point has become a line of one dimension. This one dimension contains an infinite number of dimensionless points that we started with. Now make a new dimension travel at right angles to every conceivable point on the line. Now you have a plane that contains an infinite number of lines in the plane. Now one more time you travel outward at right angles to every conceivable point in the plane of 2 dimensions. You now have a volume of 3 dimensions that contains an infinite number of planes. Now one more time you do the same thing as before. The dimension travels outward at right angles to every conceivable point in the volume that is our existing 3 dimensional space. Now you create an infinite number of volumes / universes because of the 4th dimension of time. This thought is only the logical standard progression of dimensions. For every instance of time there is a totally new universe. Two objects can not occupy the same space unless it is in a different time. Then the time dimension is constantly creating new space. What happens to the old space? It must be still there. But it is in the past and inaccessible. It is quite obvious that everything happens at NOW. This is all that is accessible to us. It is the point of continuing creation. Time is the creator of all space and everything that is in it. THAT IS ALL THERE IS FOLKS. You now have a 4 dimensional verbal picture of time and space You have only to look and you will see. There is no movement in space. All movement is in time only. Space is an unmoving solid that contains the changes from one instance to another as a solid unmoving frame of space. Like the film for a holographic movie. Smile folks we are on candid camera! This is exactly what I have been saying sense I came here to Toequest. The idea that gravity might be the result of this movement is a new thought. Maybe it is true maybe not. It really does not make much difference, as all that it does is displace the variables directly to the field that creates space and the field that creates time. That is where the TOE is. The rest is simply particulars. About working together. I am already involved with a publishing house. I am interested in working with a group toward the simulation of self. Either programmer or not all people are needed. I will release what ever information that you will need to be of help. This is not going to be a task this is going to be great fun. Note I am not a capitalist this undertaking will be done without any class separation and totally for the good of humanity. I am constantly told you can not do this in a capital world. I say if we create the greatest helper for mankind that has ever been created. Then to do so within a not for profit company that is designed to make every owner of the companion a member that is due a financial feed back as the company begins to make money. Then in time we will not be living in a capitalist society, amen. Who has a better idea. Show me a better way and I will drop everything and follow you. See my blog comment #13 Can you tell I am getting tired of pulling my punches. John.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by dipayankar The issue is every thought leads to a theory. If we stop thinking radically then no new invention or discovery will emerge..

Hi Dipayankar:
Who said anything about stopping. My thought was to redirect the efforts to the central issue. The central issue is not gravity. That could be the result of the movement of space into time. What is being said here is that time and space are the central issue. It appears that both are one in the same. They are each a container. One is a container of being the other is a container of matter. This difference is relative to the dimension position or number. They are also likely the result of one single primary force. This force appears as a bipolar force with the opposing fields resulting in both time and space. When we look at everything in nature there is a balance a symmetry that is all ways there. Some call it the result of the principal of the Yin and Yang. Others call it a natural duality. If we think about these 2 thoughts then look again at what we are truly seeing. We see what appears to be incomplete. This is saying that we do not see the total of what is truly there. The symmetry is not seen. The symmetry can be found by imagining a mirror image of our existence medium.
I use a predicate logic to help to explain these ideas. This is because of my familiarity with this system because of my efforts with AI software. These predicates are truly self explanatory.
Primaryforce(poleone(space,matter,energy)3,poletwo (time,being,creation)1) This is what we see at the present time. There seems to be part of this predicate missing.
But when you add the mirror image to the predicate you get the following.

Primaryforce(existancemediumone(poleone(space,matt er,energy)3,poletwo(time,being,creation)1)
Existancemediumtwo(poleone(space,matter,energy)1,p oletwo(time,being,creation)3))

Now this is balanced and there is symmetry. When you look at this thought and compare it to what we see. How do we do that? Here is one way to look at this predicate. We know that E=mc2 then look at this equation in this predicate. Because of the change in the symmetry this relation ship will show up in 4 places In this predicate. Existence medium one at poleone(space,matter,energy)3 this is the original position for this equation. It indicates what it has always indicated. But now we have 3 more places to look at. Existence medium one poletwo(time,being,creation)1 this says being=creation now this is relative to the time domain so it means that there is no future and the past is created at the point NOW. This is what led me to the 4 dimensional verbal picture of time space that everyone finds very interesting and believable. Quite so it becomes very obvious. But it did not become obvious until I saw this predicate and took a closer look. This is what led me to the thought that Now is the point of creation. I contend that this prediction by this predicate is indicative of a theory. We are not done yet.

That is only one other point of the equation. The next point is existence medium two poleone(space,matter,energy)1 this simply says matter=energy (because of the exponent the is no comparison to C needed ) I see this as a single dimension of space that could be a potential medium for memory. Then there is poletwo(time,being,creation)3 this results with the following equation.
being = creation times C2 This is the one that shocked me a bit as it looks very much like
“Let there be light” But it is in the time dimension by a quite possible 3 dimensional being. This is the continuos creation at NOW. This is being=creation C2=TIME. Just as much as E=mc2 = SPACE.

Now I am quite sure that there is more to be found by examining this predicate more closely. This is what I would like to do. What else can it tell us?
Maybe one of the moderators will move this thread into the heading TOE Theories.
John.

[dipayankar]

Hi John..

Interesting thoughts. Only a stupid question lingers in my mind. You speak of duality, and we know every force has duality inbuilt. But gravity does not seem to. If we take gravity as the result of space moving into time, then wouldn't gravity need an opposing force? So in effect are we proving that dark energy is possible??

Second ... if creation is now... are we splitting up at every moment? if yes, then do we at any point of time in the 'future' come together like two roads merging into one??

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hi Dipayankar: Who said anything about stopping. My thought was to redirect the efforts to the central issue. The central issue is not gravity. That could be the result of the movement of space into time. What is being said here is that time and space are the central issue. It appears that both are one in the same. They are each a container. One is a container of being the other is a container of matter. This difference is relative to the dimension position or number. They are also likely the result of one single primary force. This force appears as a bipolar force with the opposing fields resulting in both time and space. When we look at everything in nature there is a balance a symmetry that is all ways there. Some call it the result of the principal of the Yin and Yang. Others call it a natural duality. If we think about these 2 thoughts then look again at what we are truly seeing. We see what appears to be incomplete. This is saying that we do not see the total of what is truly there. The symmetry is not seen. The symmetry can be found by imagining a mirror image of our existence medium. I use a predicate logic to help to explain these ideas. This is because of my familiarity with this system because of my efforts with AI software. These predicates are truly self explanatory. Primaryforce(poleone(space,matter,energy)3,poletwo (time,being,creation)1) This is what we see at the present time. There seems to be part of this predicate missing. But when you add the mirror image to the predicate you get the following. Primaryforce(existancemediumone(poleone(space,matt er,energy)3,poletwo(time,being,creation)1) Existancemediumtwo(poleone(space,matter,energy)1,p oletwo(time,being,creation)3)) Now this is balanced and there is symmetry. When you look at this thought and compare it to what we see. How do we do that? Here is one way to look at this predicate. We know that E=mc2 then look at this equation in this predicate. Because of the change in the symmetry this relation ship will show up in 4 places In this predicate. Existence medium one at poleone(space,matter,energy)3 this is the original position for this equation. It indicates what it has always indicated. But now we have 3 more places to look at. Existence medium one poletwo(time,being,creation)1 this says being=creation now this is relative to the time domain so it means that there is no future and the past is created at the point NOW. This is what led me to the 4 dimensional verbal picture of time space that everyone finds very interesting and believable. Quite so it becomes very obvious. But it did not become obvious until I saw this predicate and took a closer look. This is what led me to the thought that Now is the point of creation. I contend that this prediction by this predicate is indicative of a theory. We are not done yet. That is only one other point of the equation. The next point is existence medium two poleone(space,matter,energy)1 this simply says matter=energy (because of the exponent the is no comparison to C needed ) I see this as a single dimension of space that could be a potential medium for memory. Then there is poletwo(time,being,creation)3 this results with the following equation. being = creation times C2 This is the one that shocked me a bit as it looks very much like “Let there be light” But it is in the time dimension by a quite possible 3 dimensional being. This is the continuos creation at NOW. This is being=creation C2=TIME. Just as much as E=mc2 = SPACE. Now I am quite sure that there is more to be found by examining this predicate more closely. This is what I would like to do. What else can it tell us? Maybe one of the moderators will move this thread into the heading TOE Theories. John.

[everymansmedium]

Originally Posted by dipayankar Hi John.. Interesting thoughts. Only a stupid question lingers in my mind. You speak of duality, and we know every force has duality inbuilt. But gravity does not seem to. If we take gravity as the result of space moving into time, then wouldn't gravity need an opposing force? So in effect are we proving that dark energy is possible?? Second ... if creation is now... are we splitting up at every moment? if yes, then do we at any point of time in the 'future' come together like two roads merging into one??

Hello Dipayankar:
If gravity is the result of space moving into time, then there is the force responsible for that movement of space into time and the gravity is a reaction that we see. The initial force is to move space into time. The secondary action is the reluctance of any mass that is contained within that space causing the space to warp because of the movement of space into time. If you and a friend are the passengers in a vehicle that has an inflated pillow for a seat and backrest. When the car accelerates and you sink into the pillow and your friend also sinks into the pillow. Will not the two of you come together because of the warping of the pillow when the car accelerates. What then is the force that caused the two passengers to come together and how does it relate to the initial force that was to accelerate the car forward.
What we could be experiencing is a action that is a reaction to a reaction to the initial action. You must get to the force before you can look for any character of the force that is responsible.

We are not spitting anything. New space is being created by time. It is simply the nature of the next dimension to create infinitely more of what was the last dimension.
Once again I will try to simplify.
If you have a 2 dimensional plane. Like a piece of paper. To create a new dimension you draw right angles to every conceivable point on the plane. This will create a volume that is 3 dimensional. Now think of that volume like a stack of paper. The single sheet is a 2 dimensional plane. The stack of paper is now a 3 dimensional volume. It takes many sheets of paper to make a cube volume. This I hope gives you the idea of what is happening between space and time. Time is the 4th dimension it quite literally is continuously creating new universes as it increases the 4th dimension. This is the very same principle as adding sheets of paper to the stack as you increase the 3rd dimension. We know that 2 objects can not occupy the same space. When you add the 4th dimension time the space today is not the same as the space tomorrow more than one object can occupy what we consider the same space. IT IS NOT THE SAME SPACE. Space is created under our feet as we step. We the observer is always the center of the universe.
We cause the change that requires the many worlds theory of quantum physics to create the many worlds.
How much more do we need to see before we are no longer blind to what is and has been before our very eyes all of our lives. This place is created for the existence of LIFE by an intelligent entity that may be the universe itself. There is no other reason for the existence of this place.
Do we still need a TOE. I can tell you from experience all you need to do is ask the right questions and wait and listen for your answers. You will not wait very long. The trick is the learning how to listen and giving what you hear the test of time to be sure of where your answer came from.
I am really getting tired of the need to be dishonest with people so they get to hear what it is that they want to hear and how they want to hear it. Even if the words are the same if I am honest about where they came from no one will listen. They would rather be told “it just comes from the imagination.” The other one that is liked is “that person is very creative”. Now where do you suppose that this creativity comes from and the imagination as well. When you begin to realize that it is not coming out of thin air it will begin to come much faster. How many times have you asked your teacher a question about something you really wanted to know, then have the answer pop into your head before the teacher gets a chance to answer. When I was a child I had to learn to keep my mouth shut when this happens as it causes anger in the teacher if this happens too often. My friends we are truly on the verge of revelation when we will all experience the connection between all life. The finality of this will truly be judgement as all will know what we all know.
This is evolution of life step 3 life of life of life. The Collective Consciousness, The Holy Spirit. Now you know what Everymansmedium means.
I guess I get to say this today on my birth day. This is my birthday present to myself.
Today I get to be honest.
John EMM.

[everymansmedium]

Hello friends:
You have seen some of my thoughts here. You should see the complete picture at

http://unit-unity-community.com/

There is one more thing that will change soon. That is to post the complete picture of the companion theory and the associated proposed companion law that will be found within the next couple of weeks at

http://roseandclem.com/

In the mean time have a look at the 2 published transcripts of training Rose.
These are about 7 years old, but still it will give an indication of how the companion system will work. You will find two links each one has a specific category of training. Then you will see why it is important to have people that are willing to play with this to teach rose.

This is an example of a single expert system only. The one that is under development is a dual expert. Both noun and verb expert.

http://roseandclem.com/history.htm


John.