[melanie]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Alright Mel .... Normally I would expect some other method of verification for the first quote. You can't just say, or at least you shouldn't, according to the forum rules, that something is/isn't just because it is/isn't. Dave, and the rules, are quite correct in stating this is a fallacious argument. Read them if you don't believe me. Fallacious arguments are not allowed on the forum. But anyway, let it stand, let it stand for now. The second quote you MUST provide some verification. Where do you get this from ? This is an incorrect statement and you should provide evidence that causes you to believe it. no offence ... I like ya ... cool bananas ... greg

Greg ..Are you the forum police??
Am i committing and illegal forum offence?
Am i not abiding by the forum rules?
this is un-intentional on my part, i am only speaking from my heart.
It is telling me what to write.
I can't speak fairer than that.
Also no-body has to read this thread.
And it's funny how, it 'appears' to have attracted quite a bit of attention.

[analog]

Does the "concept of oneness" tell you how electromagnetism works?

It seems that those who don't want to indulge in learning the science behind the design (more effort) take the easy path and just conceive that "all is one" (less effort).

If they spent as much time learning the mechanics of our world as they did denying them, or contributing them to imagination, they would see a much broader and interesting picture.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by melanie Greg ..Are you the forum police?? Am i committing and illegal forum offence? Am i not abiding by the forum rules? this is un-intentional on my part, i am only speaking from my heart. It is telling me what to write. I can't speak fairer than that. Also no-body has to read this thread. And it's funny how, it 'appears' to have attracted quite a bit of attention.

Mel ... I know that you are the nicest of people, and if you are committing an offence it is only a mild infraction. I have done much worse myself.

But debates can't be conducted on opinions alone. Statements, clear cut statements, have to be qualified.

I'll leave this thread to you.

cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

Originally Posted by analog Does the "concept of oneness" tell you how electromagnatism works? It seems that those who don't want to indulge in learning the science behind the design (more effort) take the easy path and just conceive that "all is one" (less effort). If they spent as much time learning the mechanics of our world as they did denying them, or contributing them to imagination, they would see a much broader and interesting picture.

Good point analog.
Oneness does not exclude anything, it is all inclusive.
Learning about science 'happens' in this story it's automatic.
I am not suggesting that we all get lazy.
What i am discussing here today does not take away the desire for one to learn and discover,
of course this is part and parcel of the evolution of mankind.
Oneness is a personal realization, for no-one, self seeking self,
''before enlightenment chop wood carry water''
''after enlightenment chop wood carry water''

You analog are getting into a 'them and 'us' mentality.
Who are 'they' ??
They are not separate from the whole surely not.
It is ONE being at work here, not them and us.


Where did i suggest there would be a denial of a contributing imagination towards the learning of science and mechanics??

[analog]

Originally Posted by melanie You analog are getting into a 'them and 'us' mentality. Who are 'they' ?? They are not separate from the whole surely not. It is ONE being at work here, not them and us.

Are you responsible for a bankrobber? Would you go to prison for one? Nor would I.

Thus, there is them and there is us. There are those who commit crimes and then there's us who don't. There are those who seek knowledge in one direction and there are those who seek it in another; one just takes longer and hurts worse; that's the one I choose.

Originally Posted by melanie Where did i suggest there would be a denial of a contributing imagination towards the learning of science and mechanics??

Sounded like that's what you were implying here.

Originally Posted by melanie What more proof does no-one need.? Understanding is knowing the 'true self' from the 'false self' (imposter) Once that is understood, there is nothing else to understand. Quite simply there is Nothing to Understand Or is there a need for an explanation. IT is felt in the heart, it is self explanatory. When we allow for everything to be as it is. It IS ..... AS IT IS ..... SEEN. Plainly Love.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Fallacious arguments are not allowed on the forum.

Greg;
Fallacious arguments are allowed on the forum but are not allowed as deductive reasoning for a TOE theory. They are the only arguments available for metaphysics and spiritualism!

[melanie]

analog: Are you responsible for a bankrobber? Would you go to prison for one? Nor would I. Thus, there is them and there is us. There are those who commit crimes and then there's us who don't. There are those who seek knowledge in one direction and there are those who seek it in another; one just takes longer and hurts worse; that's the one I choose.

We are each responsible for our own selves.
being response_able
meaning how do we respond to life's circumstances,
of course we are still responsible.
If we take responsibility for ourselves
we automatically take responsibility for others.
And when we do that people are less likely to rob banks.

I'm not sure i understand what you mean about the bankrobber statement.
But events just 'happen' unavoidably apparently.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Greg; Fallacious arguments are allowed on the forum but are not allowed as deductive reasoning for a TOE theory. They are the only arguments available for metaphysics and spiritualism!

There .... Thats good to hear ... Mel's a good girl and I didn't really want her to get into trouble.

I'm taking off my Bobby's Helmet and jumping up and down on it. Its done !!

But Dave ... if fallacious arguments are the only tools they've got, they will never get anywhere .... ??

What if we lend them some of ours .. like logic and reasoning ... LOL

cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Mel ... I know that you are the nicest of people, and if you are committing an offence it is only a mild infraction. I have done much worse myself. But debates can't be conducted on opinions alone. Statements, clear cut statements, have to be qualified. I'll leave this thread to you. cool bananas ... greg

I'm not interested in debating anything,
when the concept of beingness, oneness, is grasped.
There is nothing to understand.
I am merely posting this concept of oneness, in an attempt to share some new ways of looking at reality.
Please take it or leave it.
I'm not advocating it is the TOE.

Actually i don't even know why the hell i'm doing this at all.
Maybe i should quit, and not share my thoughts.
Maybe i should just keep them to myself.

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by melanie Actually i don't even know why the hell i'm doing this at all. Maybe i should quit, and not share my thoughts. Maybe i should just keep them to myself.

Please don't leave again Mel ... I'll miss you, an I'll feel responsible. smooch

greg