[analog]

I agree that all things are necessary, but that doesn't mean that I am a part of, or responsible for, those things/people in life that I don't like. There must be them and us for there to be the diversity needed to make the world go around. Any otherwise we would all agree and nothing would keep us all from acting and doing the same.

Originally Posted by melanie

I'm not sure i understand what you mean about the bankrobber statement.
But events just 'happen' unavoidably apparently.

I was just trying to explain my views of them and us in answer to the below statement. By the way, I meant; are you responsible for the actions of someone who robs a bank (bankrobber); not the act of a random bankrobbery; and would you go to prison in their place, for what they did?

Originally Posted by melanie

You analog are getting into a 'them and 'us' mentality.
Who are 'they' ??
They are not separate from the whole surely not.
It is ONE being at work here, not them and us.

P.S. I think you know how important you are to this community. If you don't, I'm letting you know. It too needs diversity. It's all in good fun.

[Graybeard]

Also Mel ...




cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Also Mel ...




cool bananas ... greg

LOL Greg, that picture reminded me of my sons,
and how they are always pulling my leg over my absurd comments,
regarding the nature of oneness. Non-Duality.

They send me silly text messages from their mobiles to my house phone.
And they sound really freaky with that robotic voicemail.

things like ''the cat knows my every thoughts''

and ''the trees see themselves through my eyes''

Anyway.. Thanks for the fun analog and greg.

[melanie]

What is really real?
Our reality is shaped and manifested by what we are being within.
Typically many people tend to identify with the the conditioned thinking and behaviours inherent in our society.
This creates a matrix of collective thought forms which many then conform to.
In short we create the false reality which society expects of us.

This reality only tends to offer a wafer thin slice of the multi dimensional, profoundly magical universe available to us.
If we can let go of our conditioned beliefs and behaviours, then this new absolute authentic reality gradually unfolds into our awareness.



The finite mind is restless, it seeks autonomy and continuation,
within the gap between the concepts of past and future lies the infinite ETERNAL NOW.

Our minds feel uncomfortable there, for it is the nothingness, the void in our life,
we may be unfamiliar with this subtle still presence, and we may feel bored.
However this unique space is whispering to you all the time,
inviting you into the perfect peaceful infinity of your beingness.
On discovering this silent space .. ''Arises'' the full-ness of the entire Whole universe in it's totality.
This is who you are.
This realization can be felt as an overwhelming gratitude and contentment for all life.
When we let go of control and allow ourselves to free-fall into the exquisite mystery of our true being.
It will reveal all it's secrets to you.
But this is just my opinion 'you hear'
I'm here on a peace and tranquility mission.
It can be done and it's starts with looking inward into your hearts.

[melanie]

analog:
I agree that all things are necessary, but that doesn't mean that I am a part of, or responsible for, those things/people in life that I don't like.
There must be them and us for there to be the diversity needed to make the world go around.
Any otherwise we would all agree and nothing would keep us all from acting and doing the same.

We don't all have to agree with each other, that takes away our uniqueness, All we need to do is Be.
Be centered and drop our opinions/ego.

We don't have to be responsible for anyone but ourselves.
If people want to go around slaying and robbing banks that's the path they choose.

We are all walking toward the light, we are the 'shadow' trying to find home.
And home is always right here, right now.
Michael mentioned it may take a billion years to see clarity and totality.
He is right in the relative sense of the word.

Diversity has no distinctions in the absolute sense.
Relativity is dual by 'appearance' but in ''REALITY''
No-event or thing can disturb or touch the absolute equilibrium of Pure-Awareness.
For one very good reason .. 'things' and 'events' are the relative 'appearances' the shadow play 'arising' and 'receding' on the eternal screen of our Awareness.
'Happening' to no-one in this only ever NOW moment.
Diversity is expressed as myriad of hues & colors, sometimes the light becomes distorted, due to the duality nature of relativity.

Like when the clouds that 'appear' for awhile and then pass away.
The ever changeless expanse of the sky always remain.
And the light shines on continuously as ONE light.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Graybeard

Good grief .... I must be on everybodys ignore list ..... sigh


greg

I am not ignoring you good buddy,just too busy here at the moment to post much,
realization and knowing are two very different aspects of the all,I know now mate
that we all are as one,and individually have no real existence,however the full realisation
of that fact with the accompanying translation of form into pure LIFE-FULL energy is prehaps a billion or so relative years away from the now.



regards michael.

[leskey]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Greg;
Fallacious arguments are allowed on the forum but are not allowed as deductive reasoning for a TOE theory. They are the only arguments available for metaphysics and spiritualism!

Hi,again, dleviwing.

Just at slight omission in your "bold" statement and that is: evolution.

Faith and belief brother. Perhaps if science could accept that there is little basis to much of its speculation, it could make greater progress from a metaphysical or spritual perspective.

Just a "thought"... and where did THAT come from???

[r.p.bibra]

Dear Greg, Analog, a word of advice from a worn-out ‘mind’!
There is no division between the science and spirituality, only the latter’s interpretation/translation has been/is wrongly presented by half-baked minds. “People imagine that spirituality means meditating on God, bathing in sacred waters and visiting holy shrines, but this is not the correct meaning of spirituality. Spirituality means destroying the animal nature in man and awakening him to his divine consciousness. Spirituality implies recognizing that one’s manifold capacities emanate from the Spirit and not from the mind, then utilizing them for achieving spiritual strength. It means acknowledging that all powers come from the Divine.” (words of a wise)
Now about the “Silent- BEINGNESS Or Pure-AWARENESS” Melanie speaks about ‘that’ state which transcends the mind. But the physical scientists are trained to think of only the ephemeral world or the world which is within the sphere of the mind! Nothing unusual, as the ‘creation’ we live in is within the conception of the mind! So no amount of argumentation or explanation will help to go over this problem or fill up the gap with the help of intellectual enquiry, because the ‘state’ referred to is not a discipline of secular curriculum not it is an experience of senses. It is experiencing of the ‘Divine’, which is possible only by spiritual sadhna (practice). This state is attainable and it is matter of pride that toe has two “Realized Souls” (though Infinite Consciousness is offline for a long time. Name of Michael is not included because he never professed to have attained the state of 'Realization') on its panel. So give them patient hearing, all of you will definitely benefit.
The problem with these ‘realized soul’ is, they speak from a plane which is beyond the intellectual ken of persons who are not engaged/live in the science (yes it a highly proficient/ provable/practical science) of spiritualism.
About the use of 10% intelligence & the proof thereof….. An analogy: according to one scientific version the ordinary matter constitutes about 4 percent of the universe, so it could safely be assumed that the human intelligence can at best be to that level (4%) only! But Melanie source is somewhere beyond the mind, because at ‘that’ state one is a ‘witness’ so whatever is happening at mind’s level is easily observable. Confused? Naturally, this kind of ‘realization’ comes after years of study (sadhana) and with His grace! With all humility, no offence meant, it is simply a world apart. Being part of it one is not part of it! Be happy. Love& regards.ls.
Ps. all of you remain our loving buddies

[melanie]

Leskey:

Just a "thought"... and where did THAT come from???

GOoD QUEST i-on ??

A Solution For Everything

A psychiatrist is interviewing a patient, who beliefs he has a solution for everything.

At some point the psychiatrist says to the man "Imagine there is a hungry tiger with you in this room.
The door is locked and you can't get out.
What would you do?"

The man answers;
"I would blast him to kingdom come with a Kalashnikov automatic rifle."

"Aha," says the psychiatrist triumphantly,
"I told you that the door was locked, so where would you get that rifle from?"
Without hesitation the man answers;

"Same place you got the tiger."

~unknown~

[melanie]

r.p.bibra:

But Melanie source is somewhere beyond the mind, because at ‘that’ state one is a ‘witness’ so whatever is happening at mind’s level is easily observable. Confused?

Thank-you for your wonderful post r.p.bibra Namaste!

r.p.bibra:

Naturally, this kind of ‘realization’ comes after years of study (sadhana) and with His grace! With all humility, no offence meant,
it is simply a world apart.

Being part of it one is not part of it! Be happy.

In and out, i've only got one foot in this loony bin.



Now!

To go even further beyond 'our' finite and limited understandings ..
I have this quote from Ramana Marharshi:

Question:
Does the absolute know itself?

Ramana:
The ever-conscious is beyond both knowledge and ignorance.
Your question presupposes subject and object but the absolute is beyond both.
It is knowledge itself.