[Graybeard]

Hey Rajinder .... good to hear from you. I here Michael and you will be sharing a cup of cheer around Xmas time. Wish I could be with you both ... perhaps next time.

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra Dear Greg, Analog, a.. Spirituality means destroying the animal nature in man and awakening him to his divine consciousness. Spirituality ......... means acknowledging that all powers come from the Divine.” (words of a wise)

The 'Animal Nature' in man is there as part of our ancestors legacy. 'Spirituality' must include acknowledgment of this too. ?? I dont see 'Animal Nature' as a bad thing, its bought us to our current level of awareness. And at the least it must be credited of making us capable of recognising that we have inner feelings.

Why do you think this should be discarded ?

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra b.. Now about the “Silent- BEINGNESS Or Pure-AWARENESS” Melanie speaks about ‘that’ state which transcends the mind. But the physical scientists are trained to think of only the ephemeral world or the world which is within the sphere of the mind! Nothing unusual, as the ‘creation’ we live in is within the conception of the mind! So no amount of argumentation or explanation will help to go over this problem or fill up the gap with the help of intellectual enquiry, because the ‘state’ referred to is not a discipline of secular curriculum not it is an experience of senses. It is experiencing of the ‘Divine’, which is possible only by spiritual sadhna (practice). This state is attainable and it is matter of pride that toe has two “Realized Souls” So give them patient hearing, all of you will definitely benefit. The problem with these ‘realized soul’ is, they speak from a plane which is beyond the intellectual ken of persons who are not engaged/live in the science (yes it a highly proficient/ provable/practical science) of spiritualism.

If the 'Divine' is only experienced by Sadhna Practice, how was this discovered. In other words, for this practice to exist something else MUST have existed before.

Evolution explains this to me in a logical sequential structure. If this explanation fits all the known facts, why shouldn't it be considered as a viable alternative. At the least it provides a bridge between biology and consciousness

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra c.. About the use of 10% intelligence & the proof thereof….. An analogy: according to one scientific version the ordinary matter constitutes about 4 percent of the universe, so it could safely be assumed that the human intelligence can at best be to that level (4%) only!

Touche good friend .... I tried, but I cannot find an argument to gainsay this. (point c)

cool bananas ... greg

[melanie]

"Nothing whatever is born or dies anywhere at any time. It is Brahman alone appearing illusorily in the form of the world."
((brahman the absolute ultimate reality of all phenomena)


''There is only love including ''false love'' ''the love for something or someone''...


To love someone or something implies two.


There is only love.

(this is not preaching, this is common sense reality, something we refuse to look at, something we deny,
instead we make up our own world out of fear and lack,we pretend we are in charge, but in reality we all know that is not true reality.)

( being totally present, without question, is not making up our world, it is being in the world as the world but not of the world.)

[melanie]

One Being .. Be In Everything.


"A small boy looked at a star and began to weep.
The star said, 'Boy, why are you weeping?'
And the boy said, 'You are so far away I will never be able to touch you.'
And the star answered, 'Boy, if I were not already in your heart, you would not be able to see me.' "
John Magliola


"The sun never says to the earth,
'You owe me.'

Look what happens with a love like that.
It lights up the whole sky."

Hafiz



When the mind is no longer seeking,
no longer breeding conflict
through its wants and cravings,
when it is silent with understanding,
only then can the immeasurable come into being.
~J. Krishnamurti

[melanie]

Believe it or not the eye is invisible.
It is natures bluff, it is the heart that SEE


Such is a Saint

When the heart burns at the sufferings of others,
That is God's own heart.

When eyes strain to see others happy,
Through them God Himself sees.

When hands toil for others' relief,
These hands move only by God's will.

When the tongue sings His Name,
That voice is the voice of God.

Such is a Saint - God's own image!

By: Swami Ramdas




Hands on Heart!

[r.p.bibra]

Dear Greg, it is the human mind which not only creates genius like you, but ‘creates’ wise like Melanie. Some are satisfied to have knowledge of the external world but some more venturesome like Melanie goes a step further and try to ‘know’ the very composition of the mind! They realize it is for more important to know ‘thy-self’! The only difference is some are satisfied by conquering the Mt.Everest but some like Melanie prefers to conquer the ‘self’ than knowing the things-of-the-world which already exist. Brother knowledge of the external world is as essential as in knowing the fundamental reality of the ‘self’ i.e., as to what it is that constitutes it----the self, the mind. The subtle reality of human being is the mind: Some conquer the world, some conquer the mind, but the tool with which this vanquishing act is accomplished is, the mind it-self.
The ‘Divine’ was/is known by the same way as is known the external world i.e., by using the tool of intelligence, which is one of the quality of the mind.
All functions of the body (traits) are natural, so long these don’t harm the society, hence moderation. These become animal traits the moment we, the civilized/evolved human being are completely dominated by them and make them as a way of life. The alternative is the value (human values) based life. Genuine spiritualism helps in blossoming these values in us; with the result we become less harmful and more helpful to the society. What is the harm/negativity about this?
Lastly, if we sieve out all the irreverent data stored in our mind, the balance won’t exceed the 10% limit. My dear friend, intelligence is creativity, not imitation or duplication. You may decide yourself as to how much creativity is there in the world? (You excluded as LG, Fredrick, and the unforgettable NOBODY)
Ls is never ‘touché’, he is a learner, so always loves innovation. He will be too happy to share his modest means (life) with both of you. Love & regards.ls