[melanie]

Only Y(our) human story dies.

The Being being 'you' .. Does not die because it was never born.

In this timeless presence of the eternal NOW! There is only Silent- BEINGNESS Or Pure-AWARENESS

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=K8duhf...eature=related

[mkirkpatrick]

Thanks for the thread Melanie,indeed we are never born,however the realisation of this truth may take us a billion years to fully understand.



regards michael.

[Graybeard]

Well ... I watched the U_Tube link. But all the bald dude did was make analogies, he never actually said anything.

He offered no proof ... just take it on faith once again, hearsay ???

Analogies are entertaining and they prepare the mind for the change of mindset, but preparation is not explanation.

The guy is a Fakir, don't be so easily fooled but look deeper and you won't come back to the source but to a truer understanding. Peace is not understanding !!

Also Michael you and Mel need to synchronise watches. Mel seems to think there is only a Timeless Now and you think it will take a Billion years to work it out.

Shades of Dahlia. B. Cabe ...... !!!!

cool bananas ... greg

[Aresteh]

Graybeards ... for your journey

Muhammad Jalal al-Din Rumi knowed as Mowlana [our master] was born in 13teenth century. his written works in Mathnawi 6volumes on human situation, Diwan e Shams thousands odes in freedom to self, fihi ma fihi oral discursives, Maktubat is many letters, maqalat e Shams is between Mowlana and his master, Mathnawi e Sultan Walad is Mowlanas sons work and successor.

Mowlanas teachings, real self, is not what environnmet and culture deveolp in us, but is the product of the universe in evolution. this is cosmic self or universal self. phenomenal self is product of culture [phenomenia]. cosmic self is in man as image of the universe wish must be unveiled. this is in our unconsciousness but phenomal self includes consciousness.

cross and christian from end to end
I surveyed, he was not on the cross
I went to the idol temple, to the ancient pagoda
no trace was visible there
I went to Herat and Kandahar
I looked, he was not there
with set purpose I fared to the summit of mount Qaf
in that place was only Anqas habitation
I bent the reins of search to the Ka'ba
he was not in that resort of old and young
I questioned Ibn Sina of his state
he was not within Ibn Sinas range
I fared towards the scene of two bow lengths distance
he was not in that exalted court
I gazed into my heart
there he was. he was nowhere else

in this poet Mowlana describes search for his cosmic self. he do-not find it in religion, reason, science, logic or other sources but in his self

-- reza (from timeless now and place)

[Aresteh]

Also (translated)

No amount of philosophical depth or profundity or looking for deep and wonderful meanings to life is going to change your moment by moment obstruction of your heart.

You believing that you are getting more "onto it;" that you are "just about there;" that you have arrived at the big "nothing" or the great void; is not relieving you from being lost in your attempt in trying to be who you think you are from one moment to the next. Who you already are already is, right now. Not some "now" that will come along later. But now. This now, right now. The timeless now of eternity.

Unless you align and refocus your conscious attention to the finding of who you already are - right now - you will continue on misidentifying the "you" of you and carry on perpetuating and believing yourself to be who you think you are. The mind must be transcended from the prison of its current situation to where this mind is fluid and fluent in and as the greater mind that is informed by greater clarity of the divine one.

This transcendence comes about by you realizing and being the "you" that you already and truly are. Otherwise you will continue to be distracted by this restless, judging and chattering mind and be lost in its meanderings; keeping the mind from being transcended into its greater fluidity; never coming to realize the immediacy of the being of the "you" of you, in this very "now," right now.

This restless mind - that informs this mindbody that you keep on trying to be and keep on believing yourself to be - will not bring you to the peace and stillness of the beingness of "you" - who you are; the heart incarnate. Unless you transcend this mind by realizing this "you" that already is and flowing through this mindbody that you find yourself so intimately involved with, you are going to remain imprisoned by your own creation - the attempt to be who you think you are which has you not seeing and being this "you" that already is.

This you can "do" - the "doing" being an act of no longer doing what you are currently trying to do - because this "you" of you already is. Who you are is this "motion of seeing" that is flowing through your eyes right now; it is the seer, the one that is looking and peering through.

Stop at and as this "motion of aliveness" that is flowing through your mindbody and you will come to being deeply at rest as "you," immediately freeing up from the illusion of your belief in and your trying to be who you think you are. Immediately and completely.

Every moment that you forget that you are simply this one that is the seer, the heart of "that" which is peering out through the eyes of this mindbody that you cannot escape from, you immediately revert back to who you think you are and its distractions and restlessness. Yes, it is as simple as this. It always was. It always will be.

Unless you have a strong desire to come home to the heart you are not going to surrender, let go of and leave alone your attempt to try and be who you think you are. It is as simple as this, as well. This "you" of you is beyond remembering and forgetting, beyond being and "not being."

However, you are going to have to find this "you" first; then you are going to have to stop at and as this one, your heart. Because you are who you are "you" can be who you are. While you believe yourself to be who you think you are you have not got a "hope in hell" of aligning yourself to your self - the heart of existence itself.

for the journey -- reza

(but not his writing)

[melanie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Thanks for the thread Melanie,indeed we are never born,however the realisation of this truth may take us a billion years to fully understand. regards michael.

Michael, you are right in your estimation, of a billion years,which of course we both know in Reality: IS equal to a mere nano-second.

Once a billion years of time has elapsed that should in my estimation bring us right back to the ''right here'' ''right now''
Now_Here.

In Reality Nirvana [Peaceful Natural Presence] IS all there IS

In this eternal Here_&_Now .. every-thing happens all by itself.[Effortlessly]
Our humanness is conditioned into a false be(lie)f
A sense of a separate self, living in an imaginary past or future.
Where memories of past events are re-membered via our thinking.
Including projections of future events, re-creating and re-enforcing the separate self.
Memories that are nothing more than stacks of conceptual superimposed impressions forming the story of me.
Giving validation and autonomy to the assumed separate self.
When we are pre-occupied with these false be(lie)f's ..As being who we are.
We miss the wonder_ful ever refreshing vibrancy of the eternal timeless presence of the NOW = Simple Eternal Beingness.

[Graybeard]

Good grief .... I must be on everybodys ignore list ..... sigh


greg

[dleviwing]

Greg;
You’re in the wrong forum if you’re looking for science or facts. They are indeed ignoring you.

Originally Posted by Graybeard Good grief .... I must be on everybodys ignore list ..... sigh greg

[Graybeard]

Hi dave ... SB seems to have hit the place like '**' once did. How long to settle down, do you think ??

greg

[analog]

Originally Posted by Graybeard Well ... I watched the U_Tube link. But all the bald dude did was make analogies, he never actually said anything. He offered no proof ... just take it on faith once again, hearsay ??? Analogies are entertaining and they prepare the mind for the change of mindset, but preparation is not explanation. The guy is a Fakir, don't be so easily fooled but look deeper and you won't come back to the source but to a truer understanding. Peace is not understanding !! Also Michael you and Mel need to synchronise watches. Mel seems to think there is only a Timeless Now and you think it will take a Billion years to work it out. Shades of Dahlia. B. Cabe ...... !!!! cool bananas ... greg

I'm with you. I'll even put you on my buddies list.