What came first? The scluptor or the sclupture.

[Unreal Zelta]

Do you have to define a cold drink of water on a hot day in order to appreciate it?

That falls under the hypothetical imperative/conditional reflex category. Such appreciation only tells us that we are hedonistic.

regards

Zelta

[melanie]

What came first? The scluptor or the sclupture.
One is a reflection of the other.
The one reflecting is an illusion, which equals zero or 'nothing' appearing as 'everything'
Life is the illuminated image of the unseen imageless creator.


Before airplanes existed there was no such 'thing' as an airplane.

Then came the ''idea'' for an ''airplane'' .. where do ideas come from? ... They spontaneously appear from nowhere in consciousness.
The manifestation of an idea for an 'airplane' only becomes actuality,
first via an invisible idea, the idea then becoming a movement within the mind,
that movement then generates an action,
the action then manifests into the form/or image of the idea,
all apparently formed from components that were already T-HERE in this conception,
both as materially (the body) & immaterially as (the idea)

Both the 'imageless creator' and the 'image' of the imageless creator, arise mutually in concord with each other within consciousness.
There is no separation,as subject and object are one and the same idea, any seemly apparent separation, is illusory.

Unchanging space allows changing objects to be(imaged)
Changing objects define unchanging space(consciousness)
Both defining each other as complimentary opposites,(merged into one)
both apparently 'real' and 'unreal' simultaneously.

All images apparently appearing in single points of consciousness, the ''whole'' universe can appear in just one point particle of consciousness.

As Consciousness is Ominpresent... everywhere and nowhere .... ONE.

What's even more weird and strange about our reality is that not even 'one thing' could exist.
.. The expression of Nothingness... a divine paradox it is.

[MikeInfinity]

the ''whole'' universe can appear in just one point particle of consciousness.

unchanging space(consciousness)

Indeed. Unless there is a such thing as "absolute smallness" then an entire universe can literally fit in the space that a sub-atomic particle occupies.

[melanie]

Indeed. Unless there is a such thing as "absolute smallness" then an entire universe can literally fit in the space that a sub-atomic particle occupies.

Methinks that just as an entire oak tree is inside it's tiny seed, similarly the 'whole universe' is inside a sub-atomic particle.

''To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour''
William Blake

My idea is that.. what science call the ''big bang'' is more like a gentle birthing of a new universe.
The conception was primary to the 'big bang' birthing of the universe...What is (T)here at the beginning is (T)here at the end..equals an eternal NOW

When awareness(father)knows sensation(mother)on contact a breaking of membrane( a universe is born) creation big bang.

Evolution being the unraveling of the source seed.

I think that's as far back as we can go for now.


Small and Large being nothing but concepts, small & large nothingness & everythingness coexist as a simultaneous reality.

[austintorn@aol.com]

We could be inferring, from what is of our classical realm, perhaps without intending to, that the sculptor needs a Sculptor, too, necessarily an even much more complex one that then is begging for an even larger cause, and then so forth, then requiring a more Super Sculptor this from some tiny simple stuff that we look back at from our complex heights long thereafter; however, when one always maintains cause, it can thus never end; so it is that one cannot then switch and give up the cause (God perhaps), for the must of cause is the whole basis of the proposition to begin with.

Thus, then, the universe must be causeless, as strange as that might seem. It is even ever seen in the random quantum surprises coming forth from ‘nowhere’, with no determination, from that crazy realm—the ultimate chaos of disorder. That’s why it needs no definition and indeed has none (not even a hint or order), being a complete disorder of no definition. But for real things, they need and have definition, and so it as that they could not always have been around for they they would have been defined, but, of course, would have had no definition point. It is, too, that forevers can’t complete, as that is their very nature.

In a way, the human sculptor is not a beginning, and not even a middle point, but more like the end, for now, of what we have become from the ever simpler things descending on down to the quantum particles emanated.

It is always simpler, ever simpler still, such as when we get down the the simplest thing—an uncaused ‘nothing’, it’s ‘properties’, which are none, ever pertaining to the sums of all the other and even complex everythings spewed out and recombining, as totaling zero, the sum of the negative energy gravity canceling out the positive energy of matter.

So, sadly perhaps, but not really if you ponder the liberating implications, it is never at the simple point that we’d even expect the most complex composite and Ultimate Life form of a SuperBeing. Complexity is, rather, found at the other end of the spectrum, like the human brain, the most complex thing in the universe at the moment. The fine part of there being no cause is that we are completely free to be (within our form).

[melanie]

The conception was primary to the 'big bang' birthing of the universe...What is (T)here at the beginning is (T)here at the end..equals an eternal NOW

You dwell within the Creator and the Creator dwells within you.

From a theological and anthropological perspective,
the yang is god the father, the creator.
The yin is god the mother, the creator.
Within them is the potential for the co-creation .. birthing of a universe.

A particle of the yang transduces the thin membrane that separates the Yin and Yang.
The seed fuses with a "particle" of the yin, creating a zygote that grows very rapidly at first.

An idea that becomes a cosmos.

The Source =The All That Is

One of these entities is pure yang in nature - the yang.
The other is pure yin - the yin or the void.
The yang exists everywhere and always

(until The All That Is says, "Come Home.")

Not reasonably, so does the yin.
Both are omnipresent, but a thin "membrane" somehow separates the two.
This membrane insures that the two forces do not fully embrace.
If this were to happen, they would immediately awaken from their high dream state and return to the Source.


All that has ever seemed to happen and will ever seem to happen... happens in this timelessness... now
all the apparent past and all the apparent future... is known now
this knowing/known is ever hidden from the senses... for it is invisible, intangible, inaudible, without odour or flavour
it is not re-membered simply because there is no direct awareness of this knowing/known... ever
for 'awareness' is a function of the senses... colours sounds odours feelings and flavours
there is awareness of 'something' only as certain sensations arise in concord with the ideas that form 'something'...
in the absence of these... where is the idea of 'something'
experience is an illusory composite... formed of sensations (which themselves have no number form or meaning)
and the known (which cannot be sensed)
yet through this Power a 'world' instantly appears that seems to possess number form and meaning... including 'me'
(whichever 'me' I seem to be)... and in this same instant is gone.

When awareness(father)knows sensation(mother)on contact a breaking of membrane( a universe is born) creation big bang.

We pour into each other.....



The eternal return, from source to source an endless spring....evolution is a returning home.
The merging together of the illusory separate entities is what's known as ''awakening to the dream'' ... Or HOME.
Where lover and beloved are re-united as ONE


The Source is Existence-Consciousness-Bliss.
It is Reality omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.
The lover of the Source, the knower of the Source, the dweller in the Source and the possessor of the Source are all the same self reality.


PS.....sorry for being a bit mushy...i can't help it ..it's my nature

[MikeInfinity]

Thanks Melanie. Not only do we love the mushy... We Love You!

[MikeInfinity]

Beautiful, Austin. You're beautiful.

[melanie]

S.O.U.L.- School Of Universal Law

''A beautiful body is a fleeting experience....A beautiful soul is a forever existence.''

The body sings the song of God's multiplicity .. and the soul sings the song of God's unity or God the transcendental vision.

________________

How can i physically prove that ? ...... I can't

I SEE it.

Who is seeing the seeing? ..... And does it matter? ... aha!

[Mikal]

When pondering the statement…”made in the image” and words like “super-being” do we misunderstand the importance of reflection and expression??

The whole idea of super-being is about Mastery of your own Spiritual Energy. If we experience psycho-spiritual evolution and Biological DNA Evolution we experience other platforms of perception outside our 3 dimensional reality system.

This leads to the reality that spiritual integrity is cultivated within as intangible, invisible and metaphysical actions of consciousness within its own energy system. This cultivation brings dawning realizations.

One can be free from the victim-victimizer blame game we call reality and take full responsibility for one’s own existence.

One can be free from a need for outer approval and have freedom of spiritual rights of being therefore consciously agreeing to not violate the spiritual rights of others.

We are confined and exist in our own personal energy and can agree to take personal responsibility for the expression of this energy.

We can agree to be more consciously aware of our own mental life, emotional life and our physical body talk in relationship to affecting the lives of others.

Love and nurturing of one self is a higher regard for your own life and existence. When refined it naturally comes back to others in a more genuine way.

Choosing to act from spiritual integrity has to do with the conduction of our own life first.

There can be appreciation and gratitude for the Gift of Life and Love.
Instead of living on expectations there can be patience with the experience flow of one’s own life which is simply the refinement of the virtue of patience.

If I can be kind with myself and refine this, I can come from kindness and genuine concern for all others sharing life and reality.
We can preserve and conserve our own creative energy and agree to use it more respectfully.

In relationship to you and others I can agree to cooperate more from the virtue of grace and struggle to understand rather than to criticize or judge.

We can balance ourselves between “common sense” and the uncommon sense of “spiritual knowing” and direct our lives from a more determined, motivated, intentional and purposive expression of our own creative life force.

In the spiritual world this is called Mastery of your own energy; it is not something we can objectively observe as going on within a person’s life. It is hidden and invisibly goes on within us. If this mental and conscious pre-occupation reaches a high enough state that involves conscious struggle it brings about the experience of “LOVE” which is a connect to vibrational harmonization where one experiences resonance with all Incarnate expressions of life.

Made in the image……


Mikal