It's Time To Forget Time.

[jag]

Consciousness is real ''apparently'' .....now take a look at who's looking at consciousness........see what i mean?




...Everything is an attempt by nothing to objectify itself.
Nothing is an attempt by everything to subjectify itself.

There is nothing outside of conscious awareness.

However, this statement is rife with misinterpretation.

The ego twists the statement to mean that without it......nothing exists.

All it means is that "things" have no separate existential reality outside of the mind's naming of them.

There is a material world "out there" but it is an edgeless undefined flowing
that will always be unavailable to the conceptual mind and it's imaginary persona.

The conceptual mind never comes in direct contact with the world.

The conceptual mind is a wonderful tool but in breaking up and naming it's own perceptual input,
it creates a personal-consensus pseudo-reality in which it vainly searches for answers to questions about it's own imaginary creation.

It searches within it's own dream for it's own reality.

How's that for an Illusion?

The girl has to be able to merge with her reflection
for it to become real to her. Like the magic mirror gate
you have to face your own true self and pass
through the gate and it becomes real.

To see it from an"all is one" perspective is to
see it from the point of view of the source of all
energy, the source of the reflection
and that is beautiful.

To see the 3D world and measure it, using 1D and
2D as mathematical tools to define what we see,
is a dream coming true in the consciousness of the energy,
through us...it's real...and that is beautiful.

Dimensions 1 and 2 are not real...they are just used
to measure reality.

"Every person,
all the events of your life
are there because you have
drawn them there."

"What you choose
to do with them is
up to you."

Make it real if you can

jag

[SteveA]

...

Who thinks?
Maybe the answer is to create a computer that can think about the question of it's own existence

Would that make it human? or make us computers?

At a minimum it doesn't appear we could create a machine determined to be such.

For example, how could it represent the entirety of itself "within" itself as some form of result? Something would appear to have to lost along with the translation (though if it was embedded within an infinitely recursive structure, then it could be that each such result contained within it the equivalent of itself - that would give us exponential and fractal structures of unbounded extent, though it would appear that via. finite means, there wouldn't be a manner to construct this).

We then have another issue of time. Assuming it was capable of computation or alterations within them, this could it recognize time as passing? At any moment it would seem to be a static object with nothing internal to it to represent a past history and no manner to represent that time has passed (in the case of an evolving exponential structure, we could have this passing of time represented as the current length over which the structure extends and each location would then be similar to a string of points at different stages of a singular evolution).

Another issue would be - what would power it? It would have to either operate losslessly or have a figurative "power cord" attached elsewhere, in which case it would appear unable to describe this attachment.