TOE versus MOE, The Meaninglessness of everything,or MOE for short!

[mkirkpatrick]

While we exist and move within this relative universe,and thankfully we will be in it for quite a long while,things such as numbers apply,and indeed without numbers relative life would be well nigh impossible.

However numbers become totally redundant when approaching absoluteness,for here they become meaningless,within this relative field we talk of there being one God,one energy,but this is only relatively true,not absolutely true,for what is Absolute just IS,IT is absolutely everything that ever was and ever will be,there can be no comparing,fot it is above compare,IT just IS! So in truth there is not even one God,for One is a number,IT trancends all numbers,all names,all things,and of course is all these things in its relative mode of expression.

So for every day communication and being both relative and absolute,while we are in the relative mode of expression we use these terms and can understand one another,its just that we know that really this is only half of the whole story,and in quiet times we can see both sides and make sense of MOE and TOE.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

In the TOE we look for a connecting principle that links all things together and manages to explain all phenomena and see how it all links up into a whole idea or theory,while in the MOE we see that all things are in absolute terms meaningless,and that none of them are real,in fact all that is relative is basically an illusion,and will disappear like mist before the rising sun when we become fully awake!

regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Of course there is no absolute meaning, purpose, or direction from any absolute Divine or any such thing, which is exactly why one is free to make their own local meaning out of existence.

While the relative is indeed real, it sums to nothing, and has no long term meaning.

[mkirkpatrick]

Of course there is no absolute meaning, purpose, or direction from any absolute Divine or any such thing, which is exactly why one is free to make their own local meaning out of existence.

While the relative is indeed real, it sums to nothing, and has no long term meaning.

As to whether the relative sums to nothing,and has no long term meaning,that depends very much on whether you accept the continuation of life through re-incarnation.

While we are indeed free to make our choices,it seems however that a higher intelligence within us suggests the direction in which to go.

regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

A Higher Intelligence can't be any kind of original source of everything because that kind of system of intelligence would have to be composed of lessor sources, just like ours. Complex comes later and higher, not lower and certainly not first; all backwards.

Reincarnation has not been shown and so that is nothing to speak of at all in any way, shape, or form.

People just say any old thing about imaginary notions, don't they?

[mkirkpatrick]

A Higher Intelligence can't be any kind of original source of everything because that kind of system of intelligence would have to be composed of lessor sources, just like ours. Complex comes later and higher, not lower and certainly not first; all backwards.

Reincarnation has not been shown and so that is nothing to speak of at all in any way, shape, or form.

People just say any old thing about imaginary notions, don't they?

The universe is operated and run by law,an absolute law,long,long,before arrogant man walked this earth this law was in operation,I think we will have to agree to differ here austin.As for reincarnation it is a fact to millions already,and will be accepted as such in the west before too long.And as for saying any old thing about imaginary notions,are we not the kettle calling the pot black here me dear!

regards michael.

[melanie]

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Reincarnation has not been shown and so that is nothing to speak of at all in any way, shape, or form.

There is no one to reincarnate. It is seen that the 'I subject' that supposedly sees is itself an 'object' seen.

But....

There's just seeing(conscious awareness perception) and no one doing it.
This vast emptiness gazes upon Itself -Alone.

Like this... always... there's just this seeing colour - this sensing-sensations - this knowing known - going nowhere - doing nothing.

[mkirkpatrick]

Each morning I scoop up out of the pool about 15 bees and wasps all would have drowned had I not intervened,from my perspective not very important at all,but from the bees or wasps perspective its the difference between life and death. maybe its the same with MOE,in the very long term all that we do or dont do is meaningless,however in the short term,lets say the relative term that we are now in,then its a very different story,what we do today and the decisions we make today can and do impact upon us with regularity.

regards michael.

[austintorn@aol.com]

As for reincarnation it is a fact to millions already

So, it is fact and truth and is proved, you say? How so? Or mere belief? Be honest now.

[mkirkpatrick]

So, it is fact and truth and is proved, you say? How so? Or mere belief? Be honest now.

Austin I will give you that reincarnation is not (yet) proven as to be accepted by the scientific community,although there have been several programs on tv over the past few years which indicate reincarnation and have been looked at by "experts" who have interviewed the people in question who claim to remember past lives,this is ongoing. I am being honest here with you austin,and accept that as yet most of science does not accept the idea of reincarnation,however I sincerely believe that this will soon change.

I accept it without question,and have had my own experiences of remembering past lives,one in particular in the year 1625 ad.But thats another story.

regards michael.