[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by subversion

so it is decided. 2012 will surely not be the end of humanity, but possibly just the beginning! And this time humanity won't be a misnomer ha ha!

Are you sure that the mayans didnot have a copy
of Nostrodamus predictions with them?


kind regards michael.

[subversion]

Originally Posted by Brian Jakub

Sub,


After reading "Fingerprints of the Gods", by Grahm Hancock, It appears that the oral and written legends, myths, the bible and stories passed on from prehistoric times are telling similar stories of the past and predicting similar ends in the future. Why not try and decipher what that story is telling us? The truth is something did happen back then, and will happen in the future. The truth is there is only one story about the past that is the truth, and the truth in history is much easier to find than the truth in the future, you have to be a prophet or fortune teller to do that. If one belief system best fits the archaelogical and fossil evidence with its story of the past, then that one might best tell the story of the futre also, then maybe not,

Brian

hmm, thanks for your comment. I'll have to read this book.

[Brian Jakub]

Baudrunner and Michael,

Why so many secrets, you belong to the same exclusive club? I've never found out a truth that hurt me or anyone else. Actually, a lot of people have told me, "the truth will set you free." Were they lying, or ignorant? I would suppose ignorant, because according to you, if they (and I) had the real truth we'd all be dead, or some other bad thing would happen. I'm just a seeker, I don't want to rule the world or anything.

Brian

[Guille]

Brian,

If you know all about a crime, are you free? Not at all, you are a slave of truth, of facts, of what happened really. Imagination is liberation, achieving parallel worlds which are false, not real, not exact... This is the great failure in our minds: we either can know the truth and be slaves or be free but know no truth, only falsity. And anyway, most people DON'T want to knwo the truth, that is why so many people invent things like life after life or god or soul, because they need to lie to themselves to be happy. I prefer to be unhappy, if it is the cost I must pay for knowing truth.

[trombonetom]

Does anyone know approximately when the Christians think the Apocolypse (spelling) will come around. That could be incorporated inta this idea. We only have 6 years before we really find out wether it is special or not!

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by trombonetom

Does anyone know approximately when the Christians think the Apocolypse (spelling) will come around. That could be incorporated inta this idea. We only have 6 years before we really find out wether it is special or not!

Dont hold your breath,my young friend,today all is
well?



kind regards michael.

[Brian Jakub]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>>

Brian,

If you know all about a crime, are you free? Not at all, you are a slave of truth, of facts, of what happened really. Imagination is liberation, achieving parallel worlds which are false, not real, not exact... This is the great failure in our minds: we either can know the truth and be slaves or be free but know no truth, only falsity. And anyway, most people DON'T want to knwo the truth, that is why so many people invent things like life after life or god or soul, because they need to lie to themselves to be happy. I prefer to be unhappy, if it is the cost I must pay for knowing truth.

Freedom is provided from the facts through justice. Crimes committed infringe on others freedoms. Punishment based on the truth, or facts about crimes helps guarantee those freedoms. In some countries you aren't even free to imagine, and then tell others about it. (today that occurs in mostly atheistic communist countries, fundamental Islamic countries, and our universities) Go and try to imagine a scientific theory that supposes some kind of Diety or Design to our universe and then research it scientifically as a professor at a major university today. You won't be working long, as happened at Baylor recently. I'm not saying intelligent design of some sort has to be the theory, I'm not that smart. But, I am open minded and smart enough; and believe in the same freedom of imagination you do; to know lack of study of all possible theories isn't freedom, it's cowardice. What's the worst that can happen? We'll make some intelligent designers look stupid. I say, "give them some rope and let them hang themselves." It's just ideas we're talking about here, not murder. Just looking at the TOE problem in a different way, like intelligent design, might give us answers that lead us away from intelligent design, but a real TOE.

Brian

[HappytheStripper]

The end of the Mayan Calendar... signifies a prophetic turn in the consciousness of humankind... the end of our own "Age of the Pieces"... in 2012 AD... being the completion of our transition through to the "Age of Aquarius"... this transition began in the 60's with the revolution of Womens Liberation... Wood Stock... and of course man on the moon (still argued today)... the "age" term in astrology... is anticlockwise...

The Mayan Calendar describes the wave movement... of the evolution of consciousness... as a complex pyramidal... matrix of oscillations... this... according to Cotterell's sun-spot theories... will be brought about by a sudden reversal in the earth's magnetic field... changing the vibration of the magnetic field... through creational cycles towards a culmination point (some say "center")
... by which time we are prophesised... to Be entered into and out of - with enlightened perception - of telepathised awareness... of our unity with the nature (one) ... of the galaxy and our earth.... the universe...

(unique)............ UNIFIED COLLECTIVE CONSCIOUS AWARENESS (TOE theory)

2012 - Mayan date 13.0.0.0.0 - Return to the Centre, has also been calculated as having an important end phase of long term cycles in October 2011.... the year in between 2011 and the end cycle in 2012... will be a "limbo" year... but then we all live in limbo... waiting for the theory everything we have ever known to be solved.... to be solved....

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