The Ancient Wisdom of the Maya

[subversion]

The Ancient Maya (i.e. Mayans) were perhaps the greatest and most mysterious peoples of all time. As is commonly known, their knowledge, mathematics, and astronomy were highly advanced and perhaps even superior to our own in certain (important) ways. I would even argue, though they probably didn't call it the Theory of Everything, that the Mayans understood what we don't. They were believers of what we have yet to grasp. As such, their knowledge was irreplaceable, and now is lost, burned long ago by the spanish conquistadores (no offense GUILLE).

Nevertheless, the Maya are still with us today, it is possible that our future is their prediction. You will see what I mean. The purpose of this thread is to generate discussion regarding the Maya and, in particular, the end date of their calendar, and how it relates to the imminent TOE.

The Mayas religion was wrapped up in their science, as should be, and thus there was no distinguishment at all between the two. Priests were great observers of the stars and scientists. Among their accomplishments included the tracking of the motions of the heavens to a precise degree, such that they could predict the coming of comets with skilled accuracy. They also prophecised the coming of, much as in other religions, a messiah, whom they named Quetzocoatl (who incidentally is said to be white though no such people were known to the Maya when the prophecy was devised pre-european invasion). Could it be that the second coming of Jesus is the same person named Quetzocoatl by the Maya, as well as being he who is prophecised to bring balance in other religious textsl? I know it has been said before, but I will ask again, is the Savior predicted by all religions merely the man who will discover and reveal the TOE?

Also, the end date of the rooted-in-astronomy Maya calendar, which will occurr in 2012, could it relate to the TOE? While some say it means the end of the world, the correct description of the end of the Maya calendar in 2012 is that, according to Maya cosmology, the world and universe will be transformed on that date. Could it be that the discovery/implementation of the TOE is what will bring this transformation? If you believe in the fortellings of the Mayan calendar, could it serve as evidence that we will indeed discover the TOE very soon (before 2012 at least, if the transformation is to arrive as scheduled).

Please feel free to do some looking-up and then use this thread to discuss these issues about the Maya cosmology and how it relates to the TOE, if it relates at all.

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[Guille]

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I'mnot offended, I know what my ancesters did, and I'm proud of it....lol....NO, I'm not proud, just kidding.

Mayan cosmology was very advanced indeed, I don't beleive that their science or math were more adnvace than ours now, but probably they were until, let's say, the 18th century.

I didn't know about the end of the mayan calendar, it is indeed a mystery, but I can tell you that there is a probability of 95% that the world won't end, but I leave a 5% jus tin case the nuclear countries (by the way, spain doesn't have nuclear bombs, it is a much more civilised and moderated country than before, when the spanish empire) will start a war, or maybe a meteorite comes and crash into the earth, but I don't think so.

So, out of the possibilities that you give, I think it's more possible that the TOE will be solved then (but still I think it's a bit too early for the TOE). I will be 21/22 years old that year, probably at university.

[mms]

In my visit to the Mayan ruins at Tulum last year, the tour guide made mention of the date December 21, 2012
(the end of the Mayan calendar).

With regards to the date he stated it meant not the end of human civilization, but rather
the beginning of a whole new cosmic awareness and a new era of human civilization.

I never thought much of this until reading Subversion's post, but would like now to think that this "cosmic awareness"
might in fact be the TOE.

hmmmm...

[Guille]

This idea of "new era" looks more reasonable than jsut the end of humanity without reasons. I mean, could mayan astronomy be as developed as to know something that we don't, and that will end with our world? Could it be an asteroid, comet, or another cosmic object that will crash with the earth that date? I doubt it, for the simple reason that there are thousands of telescopes in the world, that study the sky, part by part.

[subversion]

so it is decided. 2012 will surely not be the end of humanity, but possibly just the beginning! And this time humanity won't be a misnomer ha ha!

[Brian Jakub]

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I think the spatial density of the ether and the in the vacuum of space is higher than it is where it comes into contact with matter, so matter creates an area of lower spatial density in the ether. I think the ether has a structure to it similar to what volantis says in his toe article "a new foundation for physics", that is why it has high spatial density. I think the change in spatial density in the aether where it comes into contact with matter is due to the random mixing of the axes of the atoms that make up matter which transfers to the ether. In the vacuum of space the particles of ether are'nt randomly mixed but line up, giving the areas of space with little matter more order and thus higher spatial density. I think the Mayans talk about this axis in the ether and matter as the tree of life in there writings. The plane of the Milk Way and the Plane of our solar system are going to align in 2012 thus orientating the axes they spin on. I think the Mayans were thinking this would bring some order to the universe and an over all higher spatial density to the ether in the universe bringing in a new age. What do you think?
Brian

[WithoutMe]

Hell! Life transforms itself every moment.... no need to wait for 2012!!!
Even Now, even Here!!!

& Saviour? Who better than one's own self!

Rgds,
wM.

[subversion]

Here here my friend. Who knows what the mayans were really thinking anyway? They are quite mysterious.

[Brian Jakub]

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After reading "Fingerprints of the Gods", by Grahm Hancock, It appears that the oral and written legends, myths, the bible and stories passed on from prehistoric times are telling similar stories of the past and predicting similar ends in the future. Why not try and decipher what that story is telling us? The truth is something did happen back then, and will happen in the future. The truth is there is only one story about the past that is the truth, and the truth in history is much easier to find than the truth in the future, you have to be a prophet or fortune teller to do that. If one belief system best fits the archaelogical and fossil evidence with its story of the past, then that one might best tell the story of the futre also, then maybe not,

Brian

[baudrunner]

Fascinating how life works. Someone dug this thread up out of the musty archives of an era long dead (2005) and contributed a little of his own thinking on the subject of the end of the world. As it turns out, I have done some considerable research on the subject of the Mayan calendar for reasons which I cannot disclose at present (classified).

I will begin by correcting mms with regard to his reference of the exact date of the end of the world. December 21 happens to be the first day of winter in the northern hemisphere. The date on which the Mayan calendar ends is December 27th, in fact about 11:30ish P.M. to be more exact. Co-incidentally, I was born at 11:34 P.M., albeit on a June 27th. It's a much nicer month in my opinion.

How the end will come about is actually preventable but I cannot allow my self to elaborate. The future of my world hinges on the difference between truth and our perception of reality and basically on what we permit ourselves to believe. That is, what one perceives to be true and what constitutes reality for the most part are not usually the same, and that goes for the individual context as well as perception by the masses. Let me just say that we need to align our appreciation of the possibilities such that we can accept some very fantastic and unbelievable truths. If we do this, then we might survive. If not, we and most life on the planet will all very likely perish to what would otherwise be a preventable cataclysmic event.

That is all I can say about the matter at present. Do not pressure me for more information now. I will not comply.