[Lloyd Gillespie]

No MK, I'm not the architect, nor am I your decaying ego... Take a look at yourself in the mirror of your intellect, looking at itself___there's no-one there...

Bye___Bye, Mr. Sneezium...

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Prehaps Lloyd your ego is suggesting that YOU are the architect,and that reality spirals around your presumptuous bloated ego?Check it out,you may be suprised! regardsmichael/

[mkirkpatrick]

The eastern teachings hold that evolution is caused by mind striving,struggling,and
pressing forward toward fuller and fuller expression,using matter as a material,and yet
always struggling to free itself from the confining and retarding influence of the latter.

The struggle results in an unfoldment,causing sheath after sheath of the confining material
bonds to be thrown off and discarded,as the spirit presses upon the mind,and the mind
moulds and shapes the matter.

Evolution is but the process of birth of the individualized spirit,from the web of matter in
which it has been confined.
And the pains and struggles are but incidents of the spiritual parturition.


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

MK, you'd better restudy eastern thought. Their logicians were as good as ours. The real scientific strain of eastern thought was founded about 2300 yrs. ago. Like any society, it is a very small thread of sanity, in an otherwise over-crowded world of many dillusional exaggerations. They were well aware mind contains three major levels of interpretations, 1.emotional, 2.rational and 3.logical. Those who choose only the first mono-logical will always be plagued with exaggerations when trying to fit the larger rational and logical concepts into the mono-ontological-narrowness mindset. Just check out wikipedia; it lists over 136 different types of logic, and 9 different systems. The bi-jective, tri-jective and multi-jective, or dualistic logics, tri-istic logics and poly-istic logics, usually can't be comprehended by the mono-logical anthropo-centropic narrowness of the straight intuitive emotional, often, illogical mind. How do you fit the many in the one, when the one most likely has more than one entity? As an example, try just to visualize simple motion as the absolute; How does it move itself? Where? How far? Does it move itself to itself? Does it move itself to the other side of itself? Does it move itself from the beginning of itself to the end of itself, when it's all itself? As Poincare pointed out long ago, all singularities are required to exhibit paradoxes, therefore any meaningful entity must be expressed as possessing more than one other entity, than itself. The conservation laws of physics resolves this foolish dilemma for us. The absolute is more than one by necessity of its very possible existence.

Eastern thought, in its totality, is much larger than little ol' you has thus far fathomed...

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Well Lloyd I am indeed indebted to you for your most wise and humble thoughtfulness
Thank you for pointing out that ever so important snippet of information.
If I can in turn be of service to you,like say directing you to another forum,more
suitable for your towering intellect,please do not hesitate to call.

I shall say a prayer for you this day,go in peace my dear brother.

regards michael

[mkirkpatrick]

Now back to the theme of the thread,The whole of manifestation universal and local.is the
result of focussed intent,as science and physics unravel the secrets of energy and matter,
as they delve deeper into the phenomena of "appearances" they will reach a point where
a feeling of uneasiness will befall them.this will be because their mind will be "touched"
by the reflection of the infolded idea?


regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Touched, aah___I see... Universal intententionality, if one can call such a scientific mechanic, is uni-directional, controlled by the arrow of time, which happens to be absolute thermodynamics. Since its absolute uni-directional non-choice is implosion, this makes it a poor substitute for the meta-touched... Infinity is, by necessity, unkind to the meta-non-normalists... The only focused intent is our quantum choices of idealism or realism, at the very base of our reptilian instincts, out into either imagination or intuitive concept. I choose the absolute concept of all concepts, over the exaggerated ideas of wild imagination. Imagination is quite often irrational. Concept is always rationally logical. Realism, physicality, forms real concepts. Idealism forms false imaginations, except of course, ideal realism... god, I hate the english language... "Being," Being and being are all scientific realisms... i.e., Logos[logic], rationality and emotions... "Being" can be both Being and being. Being is often not "Being." being is never "Being." If you can recognize it, dear woofie, that is a true, and new, center for metaphysics and logic.

regards,

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Now back to the theme of the thread,The whole of manifestation universal and local.is the result of focussed intent,as science and physics unravel the secrets of energy and matter, as they delve deeper into the phenomena of "appearances" they will reach a point where a feeling of uneasiness will befall them.this will be because their mind will be "touched" by the reflection of the infolded idea? regards michael.

[r.p.bibra]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Prehaps Lloyd your ego is suggesting that YOU are the architect,and that reality spirals around your presumptuous bloated ego?Check it out,you may be suprised! regardsmichael/

( food for thought)
Einstein declared that he pursued Science because it enabled him to have, at least fleetingly, mystical experience of Cosmic Infinity.
Young Wesner Heisenberg too experienced this Cosmic feeling of religiosity when, at the age twenty two or so, he discovered a key principle of quantum mechanic.
Erwin Schrodinger, another of the founders of quantum mechanics declared at the end of the day, he had no choice but to recognize the profundity of Vedic declaration Aham Brahmasmi---I am Brahman. Both won the Nobel Prize.
Max Planck who in a sense ushered in the era of quantum physics declared that Consciousness is primary and the matter is secondary, being a material manifestation of Consciousness. (He too was a Noblest).
Eugene Wigner, another Nobel Prize winner declared that information is complete only when it is registered in Consciousness.
Another Noblest Harvard biologist George Wald, who said that though as a scientist he did not like accepting the idea of Consciousness existed first and from it came all Creation, the human being the finest flower of this Supreme Consciousness. it any wonder that more and more scientists are being drawn to the idea of PRIMARY Consciousness. Physicist Fritjof Capra says, ‘Modern physics has shown that the rhythm of creation and destruction is not the only manifest in turn of season and in the birth and death of all living creatures, but is also the essence of inorganic matter. For modern physics then, Siva’s dance is the dance of subatomic matter.”
Capra concludes, ‘Hundreds of years ago, Indian artists created visual images of dancing Sivas in a beautiful series of bronzes. In our time, physicists have used the most advanced technology to portray the patterns of the cosmic dance. The metaphor of the cosmic dance thus unifies ancient mythology, religious art and modern physics.” ls.

[LanternBearer]

From a practical view, all that is, is as it was from the primordial dot or the infinite primordial blot.

The condition, human thought, is not what creates the entirety of the universe or universes of the cosmos. The material part of stuff we can bump into with immediate consequence is stuff that is going to express in infinite ways. As it expresses along, it will continue to manifest as perhaps space dust, inter galactic gasses, human or something better.

The condition, human may have an enhanced ability to recognize its differentiated self but it is more like an intelligence having a human experience.

Human thought may arrange a phenomenon of locality such as humans are now experiencing. I have come to propose a thesis of immanent intelligence (hereafter identified as I) and intent in all that has been, all that is and all that will be.

The basis of that is to understand that pure I in its basic bit carries a fraction of intent that is able to recognize the same quality in other bits. The elementary bit of I is potential. When a bit of I comes into a state of congruency with another I bit the result is intent. With intent come expression or action for an immediate or deferred outcome.

So where are all these I bits hiding? With the newest thinking in black body radiation or the evidence of dark mater we may be able to tag that as possible source. So we have the dark. What about the light? If dark matter is potential, I, or intent, the combining of two bits of potential into one may be identified as fluorescence or subject/object in mutual recognition. .

Before you ask - Yes, I have considered the Planck qualities of graininess and the limitations of h, Planck’s Constant for the first manifestation of fluorescence from the two bits.

Now we come to the progression of that manifestation of fluorescence. If there is no differentiation of potential in dark matter, then all that there is in dark is in a state that is devoid of . . . clumps. Dark is smooth potential in the infinite of the cosmos. Dark is in infinite proximity and infinite distance in its infinite potential. Physicist recognize a quality of black body stuff as having a radiation for which I have as yet no argument as for cause, but the first clump is the first combination of two bits of I into one that flicks on. It is a binary. The first two bits become one. The math of that would be 0 represents the primordial state of probability. The 0s are essentially p, or potential only. The congruency of, or the combination of two p (s), both in a state of 0 then become the first occurrence of Planck’s h. There is fluorescence, or the first photon. The first disturbance in the force. It is a vibe of a not-dark expression. Is that the first photon, electron, or atom? Does it express as a particle or is it a wave?

Now how does the clumping commence? If we continue with notions of the big bang or everything thing that there is emerged from an infinitely small dot of all potential, then that may be the big bang. Another, but equally compelling thought for me is that what we may have had is the Big Blink. Did that first blink become the switch that lit up the universe. With that blink did stuff, here to fore potential blink on? Was it at light speed. Was it at greater than light speed? Was it a cosmic, quantum blink that turned on everything that was in a state of intent and potential turn on at once? There is the Hubble notion that as we peer out with the aided eye, we see that all that can be seen is moving away from us. It is sending us a detectable signal of red shift. It’s Doppler characteristic is moving away. So is everything moving away from everything else? No, there are galaxies that are passing through or around each other. They are either caroming off walls or structures or they are just attracted to each other.

Yes. I agree. It is another question.

I have no problem with the concept of “thoughts are things.” I am not so parochial a human as to think that human thought is the only way intelligent expression is to be seen in the cosmos. I am also not of the intelligent uber Being or God school. That thinking is a construct for the failure to being able to have one human treat another as they themselves would be treated. There is, perhaps, every reason for humans to seek a natural morality. The tragedy is that there seems to be a divide between a positive and a negative morality. The traveling companions for negative morality are fear, ignorance, arrogance and lack. There is a constant flow in the way morality is express among humans and I believe that on the whole there is always progress to the side of good, if only in increments always divisible by 2.



I wish to thank my teachers, you know who you are. I find that we are currently, as humans, always in a state of Zen Bonobo. It is only a way point.



Zeteo is a Lantern Bearer
Please, do be attentive, be intelligent, be reasonable and be responsible.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by r.p.bibra ( food for thought) Einstein declared that he pursued Science because it enabled him to have, at least fleetingly, mystical experience of Cosmic Infinity. Young Wesner Heisenberg too experienced this Cosmic feeling of religiosity when, at the age twenty two or so, he discovered a key principle of quantum mechanic. Erwin Schrodinger, another of the founders of quantum mechanics declared at the end of the day, he had no choice but to recognize the profundity of Vedic declaration Aham Brahmasmi---I am Brahman. Both won the Nobel Prize. Max Planck who in a sense ushered in the era of quantum physics declared that Consciousness is primary and the matter is secondary, being a material manifestation of Consciousness. (He too was a Noblest). Eugene Wigner, another Nobel Prize winner declared that information is complete only when it is registered in Consciousness. Another Noblest Harvard biologist George Wald, who said that though as a scientist he did not like accepting the idea of Consciousness existed first and from it came all Creation, the human being the finest flower of this Supreme Consciousness. it any wonder that more and more scientists are being drawn to the idea of PRIMARY Consciousness. Physicist Fritjof Capra says, ‘Modern physics has shown that the rhythm of creation and destruction is not the only manifest in turn of season and in the birth and death of all living creatures, but is also the essence of inorganic matter. For modern physics then, Siva’s dance is the dance of subatomic matter.” Capra concludes, ‘Hundreds of years ago, Indian artists created visual images of dancing Sivas in a beautiful series of bronzes. In our time, physicists have used the most advanced technology to portray the patterns of the cosmic dance. The metaphor of the cosmic dance thus unifies ancient mythology, religious art and modern physics.” ls.

So, what is everyone supposed to do, Kiss everthings butt to get a nobel? How about some real and absolute science? I don't care who gets a donkey prize, as long as it is absolutely honest and truthful...

Four of the names you offered are brilliant minds. The last one mentioned is an _____!

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you Ls for your most thoughtful response,great minds indeed are in awe of the
majesty of creation,and so they should be!


regards michael.