[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie I'm not interested in subjective, abstract feelings, just the cold hard truth___feelings concretely connected to the objective world, which just happens to include all truly sensible feelings... I do live in a land of liberty___thank god___I do have the right to think as an individual... regards,

Individual ????? Along with 6 billion others caught in the gravity of materialism. You think as an individual ????? Hello what planet are you on take me to your leader i have a material planet that i would sell to him cheap that you can all go to when you die. And be materially happy in your after life.

What's the "matter" don't like my "material" ?????

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Individual ????? Along with 6 billion others caught in the gravity of materialism. You think as an individual ????? Hello what planet are you on take me to your leader i have a material planet that i would sell to him cheap that you can all go to when you die. And be materially happy in your after life. What's the "matter" don't like my "material" ?????

Since you state 6 billion, you seem to include yourself...? "We, the 6 billion..."

regards,

[Jack]

Michael,
I enjoyed your argument. I always enjoy differing outlooks; it seems to me you have
thought as a product of Mind..But I question if the Mind is indeed identical with
the brain. My experience in life has taught me to question things. Firstly let me say I don't think the mind and brain are one. An amoeba encircles its food, thereby digesting it.. clearly an act of survival?! Yet I doubt if we were able to hook up to communicating with this entity we would find out the/ a conscious will. Also i wonder where an epiphany really comes from; are all visions, and other such phenomena a mental act on our part or something we can only apply mental application to understanding; i.e., through discussion of these things?!...
We must keep asking questions, and I thank you for your post. Sincerely, Jack

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Jack Michael, I enjoyed your argument. I always enjoy differing outlooks; it seems to me you have thought as a product of Mind..But I question if the Mind is indeed identical with the brain. My experience in life has taught me to question things. Firstly let me say I don't think the mind and brain are one. An amoeba encircles its food, thereby digesting it.. clearly an act of survival?! Yet I doubt if we were able to hook up to communicating with this entity we would find out the/ a conscious will. Also i wonder where an epiphany really comes from; are all visions, and other such phenomena a mental act on our part or something we can only apply mental application to understanding; i.e., through discussion of these things?!... We must keep asking questions, and I thank you for your post. Sincerely, Jack

Welcome Jack,greetings to you from England,Thanks for your comments,the brain to me is only a physical representation of the mind,which is always non physical,and survives
when you die.

regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Address the facts Mk, or is your spiritist ego so blinding you can't see any...? Oh, I forgot, all you know is emotional falsehoods... Please, mathematically prove the origin of the universe is a product of/on mind... That is the thread's subject, is it not...? regards,

I am well aware of the threads subject Lloyd,after all it is my thread?Again I have no
intention of mathematically proving anything to Lloyd,other than this little equation
I thought up while having a bath!1=all=1=all,you then add a circle around the 1,and
the job is in effect then done.!

Time to move on now son.

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick I am well aware of the threads subject Lloyd,after all it is my thread?Again I have no intention of mathematically proving anything to Lloyd,other than this little equation I thought up while having a bath!1=all=1=all,you then add a circle around the 1,and the job is in effect then done.! Time to move on now son. regards michael.

Ohhh... Mother-Goose, you are sooooo... wise...

regards,

p.s.
"No proof, no truth." me

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Ohhh... Mother-Goose, you are sooooo... wise... regards, p.s. "No proof, no truth." me

Lloyd there is no proof on this earth or anywhere else within the universe,that would
convince a skeptic like yourself.Truth and realization come from within,not from a science
textbook,if you do not understand one simple elementary universal principle,then there
is no hope for you whatsoever,I have spoken to children in India,who have more
understanding of reality than you do,and they have never seen a science textbook"

Acceptance,openmindedness,willingness to learn,to look to that higher-self within you
where vouchsafed within that higher mind of yours,is the answers to questions concerning
reality that you will not find in any science text book!Try it what have you got to loose?

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

MK, You said it, one child talking to another___you should realize that one immature child's soul talks to another, it is still immature... Anyone with real integrity would respect real science, you on the other hand, having no integrity, bash science... Why so insecure? The truth is never found in the ontological mountains of meaningless words, you continue to pile up... Science is the only sound science of mind___possible. Come back to reality...

regards,

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie MK, You said it, one child talking to another___you should realize that one immature child's soul talks to another, it is still immature... Anyone with real integrity would respect real science, you on the other hand, having no integrity, bash science... Why so insecure? The truth is never found in the ontological mountains of meaningless words, you continue to pile up... Science is the only sound science of mind___possible. Come back to reality... regards,

Lloyd these children in some repects were far wiser than you?They could tell me where
they come from,I mean really come from,not just the womb)They also knew where they
were going,and were already taking steps to lighten their load in the next lifetime./

I do repect REal science,the science that I adhere to,worked out theanswer to the toe
10 thousand years ago,your modern day science is still groping about in the dark
chasing wil'o'the'wisps,through a quagmire of cul-de-sacs,and blind alleys!

regards michael.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Ten thousand years of preaching falsehoods in the east, and you want to continue the same falsehoods. These schools of thought have been proven false by such notables as Feurabach and Adorno[plus hundreds of others], with their negative dialectics, something I don't expect you to understand, but others may be interested, in the real sciences of the mind/brain states. There is nothing you or anyone can do to make these falsehoods true to any mature human being educated in the real sciences and philosophies, of sensible human understandings. All the ontological mountains of words, from ten thousand years ago to today, can not erase these known falsehoods. Until you start connecting these ontic ideas to the scientific essence of humanity, other than exaggerated spiritual musings of moot redundancies, you have no true science of mind...

These musings are nothing new to the educated mind. There has always been the warring schools of thought. China called them the 100 schools of warring ideas. All the new esoteric schools of India and China were no more than the criticisms of the older schools of power, whether the Hindus gainst the Brhamas, Janes, the Buddhists or what have you, and even the Buddhists of one Buddhist school against another, such as the atheist Buddhists against the theist Buddhists. I am well aware of all the arguments, wars and disputations of intellectual intercourse of the many warring schools, as Comparative Religions was one of the first subjects I studied, years ago, and have also followed all the newest differences and newer wars. Your side has no way of resolving these wars, because they are at origin, nothing more than intuitive choices, taken too over-seriously, by the believers of all the different schools of thought. That is why science was developed to the level of the present day___to have a set of rules that must be adherred to, to achieve successful outcomes of sensible debates. Since your side has no comparable set of scientific rules, just moral rules that none of your schools can agree on, the war continues, not only with science, but with your own entire clan of theist fakars.

regards,