An Idea that became a cosmos

[Drifter]

TWO WOLVESOne evening an old Cherokee told his grandson about a
battle that goes on inside people.


He said, "My son, the battle is between two
"wolves" inside us all.



One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret,
greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false-
pride, superiority, and ego.



The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility,
kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith."



The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather:


"Which wolf wins?"



The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."



"Yes you raise a good point here ..of course THIS arising IS-ness is already AWAKE [enlightened]

It is when 'we' are lost in our little separate individual stories of little 'me'
that we feel a sense of separateness, this is due to our common ignorant human conditioning.

No single person becomes enlightened in reality, because no single person exists, except as an individual appearance or the many faces of the ONE original face ..
in THIS already conceived AWAKE PERFECT ONENESS.

Only when the apparent entity works through his/her conditioning of false beliefs/ideas and delusions of separateness, will they enter into a raised state of consciousness
and be self- aware in touch with the ONE self. [Pure Eternal Awareness]
Which is who they are all along.
The appearances are the stories the dreams .. playing out on the screen.
The appearances are the dreamed, and have no existence,
except as sensations sensed and known instantly as the ONE with the knowing.

THE CREATOR

There are two types of creators in the world: one type of creator works with objects a poet, a painter, they work with objects, they create things, the other type of creator, the mystic, creates himself. He doesn't work with objects, he works with the subject; he works on himself, his own being. And he is the real creator, the real poet because he makes himself into a masterpiece.
You are carrying a masterpiece hidden within you, but you are standing in the way. Just move aside, then the masterpiece will be revealed. Everyone is a masterpiece, because God never gives birth to anything less that that. Everyone carries that masterpiece hidden for many lives, not knowing who they are, and just trying on the surface to become someone.
Drop the idea of becoming someone, because you already are a masterpiece. You cannot be improved. You have only to come to it, to know it, to realize it. God has himself created you, you cannot be improved.

The god that has created you is not separate from you. Remember GOD is only a concept giving meaning to THIS arising IS-ness the dream.

When people come to this realization all suffering will cease,
it will still arise, but we will no longer be emotionally affected by it,
we will not identify with it as being something we want to get rid of,
we will see it for what it really is, a lesson for us to awaken to our true
identity, this is otherwise known as awakening ... or our heaven on earth.

Where else is our heaven going to be but here on earth?

mel."

We are...as a people... our Creator and our own Destroyer."

[Drifter]

IN SUMMATION OF THAT

It appears to be the teaching that we(relatively speaking of course) are in a huge three-dimensional, interactive-dreamscape we call existence, knowing full well, as it is with a dream, “this”, even if it is only an appearance or illusion, is only temporarily so. None of it is "real" except to the relative extent we allow our "Self" to become immersed therein (Self-delusion).
The "Screen" which all these so called vibrations, thoughts, words and deeds, "things" (inward as well as outward)collectively, are played upon, is, when recognized as such, "Conscious Awareness". The projectionist (mind), as it were, is the manifested world itself ( beginning with but not limited to ones thoughts, words, deeds), played out (self-perpetuating) on the screen of our imagination? Would that be an accurate point?

A few among the many Teachings, would include; Advaita Vedanta or Non-duality ( I Am That I Am, Atma Vichara or Self-enquiry ( What we think of as “I” with all it’s attachments, is the source of our ignorance/suffering/searching), Buddhism or The Principle of Oneness (I.E. “Thou Art The Buddha”).


W: It appears to be the teaching that we(relatively speaking of course) are in a huge three (R: potentially infinite, actually) dimensional interactive dreamscape. None of it is "real" except to the extent we allow our "Self" to become immersed therein.

R: Anything less than the Absolute One is "unreal" by absolute standards. But be careful, as the dream is the "reality of the dreamer" until he actually wakes up. As such, every level of Reality (of Awareness as the Ultimate Reality) should be honored accordingly, until such time as actual realization (heartfelt awareness or sense of oneness with Being) of a "higher reality" exposes a lower one.

R: Alternately, everything is real with respect to the One who believes in its reality. Also, since we are dealing with alternate states of Pure Awareness as the Ground of All Being, everything, as a temporal state of That Awareness, is real, in its own time and in its own space.

R; The idea, as such, is not to escape the illusion (merely deny its reality intellectually), but to see through it, realize the Truth, and thereby Materialize the Spirit and/or Spiritualize the Flesh. For in Truth, the Spirit and the Flesh (God and Man) are not really "two things," but One Thing, seen "two (and many other possible) ways."

W: The "Screen" which all these so called vibrations, thoughts, words and deeds, "things" collectively, are played upon, is, when recognized as such, "Conscious Awareness". The projectionist(mind), as it were, is the manifested world itself, played out (self-perpetuating) on the screen of our imagination? Would that be an accurate point?

R: That is one metaphor through which to relate to IT! Seen in this light, and in a way I previously indicated, I would suggest, (1) The Projectionist is the One (Absolute Field of Infinite Quantum Potential to Be Any and All Things -- Father), (2) the Projector is the One I AM (the Mental Lens, Focal Point, Gateway, Central Referent of SELF -- Son) through which the "Potential Divine Images and/or Memories"(like the images on film without a projector or enlightenment) are focused and projected, and (3) the Field of All Conscious Awareness (universally present -- Spirit or Mother) is the Screen (sometimes referred to as "Mother Mirror"). Although when subject to relative expression through words the process appears to become flat, sequential and linear; in actuality, all three (Father/Mother/Son) arise at once, mutually, or together in the same instant (or in no time).

This Holy Instant
Awareness knows Sensation
Consciousness is Born.

In Christ (The Mind of God, which includes I AM as the Son and Spirit as the Conscious Field in which Absolute Potential becomes Actual in No Time); sometimes referred to as the "Womb of the Universe."

[melanie]

Drifter

"Yes you raise a good point here ..of course THIS arising IS-ness is already AWAKE [enlightened]

It is when 'we' are lost in our little separate individual stories of little 'me'
that we feel a sense of separateness, this is due to our common ignorant human conditioning.

No single person becomes enlightened in reality, because no single person exists, except as an individual appearance or the many faces of the ONE original face ..
in THIS already conceived AWAKE PERFECT ONENESS.

Only when the apparent entity works through his/her conditioning of false beliefs/ideas and delusions of separateness, will they enter into a raised state of consciousness
and be self- aware in touch with the ONE self. [Pure Eternal Awareness]
Which is who they are all along.
The appearances are the stories the dreams .. playing out on the screen.
The appearances are the dreamed, and have no existence,
except as sensations sensed and known instantly as the ONE with the knowing.

THE CREATOR

There are two types of creators in the world: one type of creator works with objects a poet, a painter, they work with objects, they create things, the other type of creator, the mystic, creates himself. He doesn't work with objects, he works with the subject; he works on himself, his own being. And he is the real creator, the real poet because he makes himself into a masterpiece.
You are carrying a masterpiece hidden within you, but you are standing in the way. Just move aside, then the masterpiece will be revealed. Everyone is a masterpiece, because God never gives birth to anything less that that. Everyone carries that masterpiece hidden for many lives, not knowing who they are, and just trying on the surface to become someone.
Drop the idea of becoming someone, because you already are a masterpiece. You cannot be improved. You have only to come to it, to know it, to realize it. God has himself created you, you cannot be improved.

The god that has created you is not separate from you. Remember GOD is only a concept giving meaning to THIS arising IS-ness the dream.

When people come to this realization all suffering will cease,
it will still arise, but we will no longer be emotionally affected by it,
we will not identify with it as being something we want to get rid of,
we will see it for what it really is, a lesson for us to awaken to our true
identity, this is otherwise known as awakening ... or our heaven on earth.

Where else is our heaven going to be but here on earth?

mel."

We are...as a people... our Creator and our own Destroyer."

Blimey drift did i write THAT ? ....can't even remember.....lol

Where the ecky thump did you find this... thanks anyway, nice to read again.

love ya

[Drifter]

[quote=melanie;61066]Dear All

I cannot speak politically, neither can i use high sounding words.
I come from a very pious and simple awareness.
Simplification, imho is the way to go ....
Complication is getting lost in the fog of false belief systems.

All of THIS life ... must have started off very simple, and it did of course,
so why have we made it all so complicated?? .. i've never been able to understand that.....lol


Sorry about the following essay.... i don't plan this kinda stuff, it comes out like an arrow

Y(our) '' REALITY'' is by nature '' NON-DUAL''

But is THIS another concept another assumption?

Fredrick you mention the use of words..... yes it's all about words, our lives and our reality is built upon our ability to use words as a means to communicate language[language, lexicons... communicates IDEAS...the medium between two people or our lower anf higher consciousness],
A particular unique form of expression known to man.
"The Word of God"... comes to may in words unexpressed...as ideations...then made manifest by That interpretation...made manifest by man... for man...or 'other than is's"

Words have become our belief systems, our conditioned mind sets.[our culture and conditioning, or psyche...aka "Thinking-mechanism]
Where in fact these beliefs are nothing more than yesterdays news and mostly lies.[unchallenged or concrete mind]
Many Ideas and notions are man made CON-coctions to fit mans [That] particular criteria.
Which in reality, can never sum up the true nature of Y(our) true self[Holy-Spirit] which is Fundamentally Non-dual, Awake, and Peaceful [-ly pouring forth liike a fountain.]

The catch 22 or the supreme paradox is that we can have no reality without duality.
As we identify and make sense of our world by ways of reasoning and communication,
we must realize that words are only clever i-deas, thoughts, & concepts,
And that they can never Reflect or Convey the true essence of Y(our) ultimate natural nature.. which is Nondual.[He/She/It having arisen]
And yet 'something' unseen, unheard, not a concept, not a thought.
Knows each and every thought/concept as it rises.
Talk or write about it, and it has become a concept again.
All this is KNOWN .....One with the knowing.
We must not let words fool us, we must look beyond the word into the mysteriousness of it's true meaning, the very word ''WORD''
is meaningless, and yet all words point to something beyond the word.
Example the word 'Sweet' is not sweet, but once tasted we know what the word ''sweet'' indicates.
And just because somebody says a mean word to you, does not mean you are a mean person, or that you are that mean word.
We have to get out of our Literal Mentality and look beyond words and there meanings.
When we look beyond our means of communication, we can realize words mean ABSOLUTELY nothing, within the bigger picture.
They are the tools we use in this play, they are the props, they prop up Y(our) world and make it ''appear'' real. Tools we use ... to play the game.
Play on words....Word Play.....
And lets not forget our lines.... as the characters in the play.....

Ultimately mankind is doomed, until he awakens from his slumber,
we need to awaken from the seductiveness of duality and it's hypnotic pull on the senses.
Although non-duality ''appears'' as duality, we must wake-up and realize THAT duality is the ultimate ILLUSION it is a belief.
This is what we mean when we talk about an illusional world.
It is both REAL and UN-REAL neither this nor that... both and yet neither.
Neti Neti.
When we take it all too seriously we run into such problems as mind games and mental prisons.
This reality in essence .. is a temporal, transient ''appearance'' of spectacular beauty for no- separate one .... it is for every-one united.
All at once.
A Self Shining dis-PLAY of ONENESS ''appearing'' as TWONESS and more.

This One with knowing .. is none other than your very own self,
You are a unique spark, an expression of the divine fire.
We can all wake up to this non-dual reality,
many are waking up to their true divine eternal divinity every day,
many are not,
ultimately we must, for if we do not,
we will keep on making the same old mistakes over and over again.
All evil corruption in the world is 'apparent' within reality,
Is it not the adversities of our lives, that become the calling cards for change and personal growth.
The divine beloved one.. SHE is very subtle, she whispers gently into the maelstrom of our daily lives... 'wake up' 'wake up'
hoping to make us more aware of this LIVE miracle of our being,
She is whispering ... and yet we take it all for granted.
We must open our eyes to the awesomeness of ourselves and re-unite with our beloved one, and not to imagine we are separate, or that we are cut off, or isolated.
Find Y(our) own center.. and stop borrowing beliefs and ideas of others and thinking that it is Y(our) only reality. It is not.
It is a belief system we are conditioned to believe. We have to change our predictable and repetitive thought patterns ..
we must begin to think in newer and more creative ways,
letting go of our old baggage, and allowing for the NOW of no baggage.
Where are Y(our) problems in deep sleep, in the early morning when you first awake, where are they???...exactly!!!
Out of habit the thinking mind starts to kick in.....and it's only mind stuff.....
And where is your mind?? ..... NO-W-here
We are being re-created every second, ever fresh, ever new,
but we miss this subtle clue, we would rather hold onto our old baggage, we identify with this conceptual overlay as who we are, it becomes our identity.
We drag our sorry asses around day in day out living the same old shit.
When all we had to do was to drop the baggage like it's hot.
And to start brand new....to let nature re-new us and replenish us in each new second.
Our skin cells do that to our skin everyday. They die everyday and they do this without instruction,
if they didn't do that, can you imagine what your skin would look like?
Also See how your skin lets water out, but it doesn't let it in,
what divine intelligence is this?
Why don't we trust in, and allow for this divine intelligence,
to live AS and THROUGH 'us' each day without 'us' worrying about the petty details of our lives.
When we drop everything we've got, and become nothing.
When we become nothing, by magic we automatically become everything.
It is as simple as switching our awareness, a shift in our awareness.
Like switching on the Light Switch
.
The truth is inside Y(our) very own being, IT is not ''out there''
We reach ''out there'' to others,
believing,
In that, what we ''think'' is happening ''out there'' is the truth of our reality.....It is not.

Out there is really only ever '' IN HERE '' or '' IN YOU ''
It is all ''appearance'' appearing in your very own awareness projecting a world.
Be the change '' You '' want to see in the world.
There is only ONE awareness.
''APPEARING'' AS an entanglement of sorts, a bit like a big pot of minestrone soup.
Superimposition allows for this. We are fragments of the whole enchilada.
It does not mean we all think and act alike .....No
Quite the contrary, we all are unique impressions of the one face.
Bringing much awesome diversity,richness, & creative beauty to the dance of LIFE.
IT is Y(our) birthright, and No-one ever needs to suffer.
When enough people see through the illusion of y(our) duality reality.
And realize that every-'thing' including 'you' is ''arising'' as oneness.
And Remembering there can be no reality without duality...
There will be an Automatic Quantum Leap in Awareness to Oneness
....A mass awakening, to Y(our) natural nondual existence.
Why because we are all interconnected .. there is not one atom that separates reality.

How do we wake up? well imagine for example....
little stones thrown against your bedroom window.
When you hear them, you may get out of bed, look outside,
and be surprised to see your lover there.
Would it matter which exact pebble was the one that woke you up?
ANY - THING can wake you up.....
The sight of little children in iraq, with half their limbs blown off,
being carried to who knows where by their distraught parents perhaps??

Ultimately ...This dance of lila is the heaven or hell of Y( our ) own making.
Because ultimately all the GOOD WORK of y(our) collective ''Brilliant Creative and Innovative Minds ''
All this ''good work'' will completely crumble and collapse.. crashing down like a house of cards.
Or it may not.......

And do we ever see the evidence of all this ''assumed'' good work??
Thank-you for reading.
melanie

[melanie]

Wow Drift ...thanks for the ''good work'' on the above good work ..

What the ecky thump does orange you smart mean ? lol

Does it mean this...... ..

[melanie]

'' Beyond the concepts of wrong doing and right doing there is a field, i'll meet you there '' ~ rumi


Drifter time for your bath .. YOU'VE been out in that muddy field again .. i SEE




LOL

[Drifter]

Wow Drift ...thanks for the ''good work'' on the above good work ..

What the ecky thump does orange you smart mean ? lol

Does it mean this...... ..

One hand washes the other and they both wash "The Face"...

Golden Apples for a Golden Girl!...

Love Ya sweetie...
Namaste`
D.

ps...picture doesn't show here...

[melanie]

One hand washes the other and they both wash "The Face"...

Golden Apples for a Golden Girl!...

Love Ya sweetie...
Namaste`
D.

ps...picture doesn't show here...

TaT's funny Drifter .. we both tinking of washing at D same time ...

I love you too ......

[Fredrick]

I cannot speak politically....

Let me try my hands on this, because politics exists inside system specific structures and that is quite interesting (I think).

We cannot have a dictatorship and a democracy taking place at the same time in the same place. We find either a dictatorship, a democracy, or a warped version of both in place.

To give these structures numbers:

The dictatorship is 1, because that is the only number of person or group that dictates the nation. It is not a disconnected number, because it needs to keep a close eye on the population at large. When for instance the price of bread is raised too much, a dictator can jeopardize his (mainly males are dictators) power. 1 is the number that has the least amount of movement for the population, but to some extent also limits the ones in control. As you will read later, the number zero may be a strong partner in this system (and can then be seen as binary).

The two party system, such as in the United States, is 2, because the two parties take turns, having full control of their governmental level. Often, there tends to be one party wanting to organize everything better (and often not succeeding for long), and one party wanting to undo everything the other party organized. Not uncommon is that third non-political parties, such as companies or specific issue organizations, become quite powerful, and function somewhat outside the political realm. The voters vote in collective districts, and their individual choices are not fully translated to representation, the collective choices (winner-takes-all) decide. 2 is the number that allows a choice, but the choice is very limited, and creates reactions to do the third thing by whoever can get away with doing the third thing, with not bothering to stay within the fray and only one of the two parties wanting to organize this better.

The three-to-five party system, such as in Canada and Germany, is 3, because none of the parties is in full control at any level, and a cooperation of two parties must take place. Societal groups and businesses are more specifically present within one of these parties, organized within the governmental level. Elections can be organized in districts (collective voting) or based on individual choices, but with a general threshold (parties must win at least x-amount of votes, for instance 5% before getting seats). 3 is the first number that can stand on itself. A table with three legs is not most stable, but unlike a table with two legs having to lean against a wall to be considered a table, a table with 3 legs can stand on its own. The population has a real choice, for three, four or five parties compete for the voters based on contents, not on black-and-white programs of organizing and dis-organizing.

The proportional system, such as in the Netherlands, Israel, and Spain, is 4 and 5, because the population receives representation according to the individual votes. Often three to five large parties exist, and many small ones People and businesses and groups are able to translate their desires into specific parties. In general two parties must cooperate to form a government, sometimes it requires three parties. This is the level where the population and the political system are very similar. It contains many options, and may therefore not be the best model for very large nations. 4 is the overall number, 5 is the number of the overall outcome that is very similar to the actual overall number. (This is called the synergistic difference)



I mention this to you guys as the example that a political structure is not set in stone, but exists in varieties. To get to a single political structure implies ignoring the other options. There is nothing wrong with that, but it shows how each structure is strongly self-based, not sensitive to the structural parts of the other structures (though each system is sensitive to the outcomes of the other structures in our interactive world).

And if you know the pentaist theory is based on a matrix of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, then you probably get what the 0 stands for: people not caring who is in control. That can all by itself be quite empowering; by ignoring the political powers, and only bending when required to bend, people can be quite strong on their own. It contains certain freedoms, but not any of the freedoms what to do with the whole, because that is in the hands of those in 1, 2, 3, or 4/5.



If you wish, Drifter, you can view each number as a separate story in which 1 wolf exists, 2 wolves exist, 3 wolves exist, 4 wolves exist. I hope you can see that your wolf-delivery is just one out of a larger variety.

If there's just one wolf (and you feed it), you are stuck with it. If there are two wolves, you have a choice to feed one and not the other, but they are still wolves. If you have three wolves, you already have a chance to influence the offspring, and if you have four wolves you can most certainly select which ones you want to feed and keep as offspring. And that's exactly how we got man's best friend: the dog. We kept the friendliest wolves, and if you watch the Discovery Channel much you know that within very few generations, the wolves became dogs.

[Drifter]

Let me try my hands on this, because politics exists inside system specific structures and that is quite interesting (I think).

We cannot have a dictatorship and a democracy taking place at the same time in the same place. We find either a dictatorship, a democracy, or a warped version of both in place.

To give these structures numbers:

The dictatorship is 1, because that is the only number of person or group that dictates the nation. It is not a disconnected number, because it needs to keep a close eye on the population at large. When for instance the price of bread is raised too much, a dictator can jeopardize his (mainly males are dictators) power. 1 is the number that has the least amount of movement for the population, but to some extent also limits the ones in control. As you will read later, the number zero may be a strong partner in this system (and can then be seen as binary).

The two party system, such as in the United States, is 2, because the two parties take turns, having full control of their governmental level. Often, there tends to be one party wanting to organize everything better (and often not succeeding for long), and one party wanting to undo everything the other party organized. Not uncommon is that third non-political parties, such as companies or specific issue organizations, become quite powerful, and function somewhat outside the political realm. The voters vote in collective districts, and their individual choices are not fully translated to representation, the collective choices (winner-takes-all) decide. 2 is the number that allows a choice, but the choice is very limited, and creates reactions to do the third thing by whoever can get away with doing the third thing, with not bothering to stay within the fray and only one of the two parties wanting to organize this better.

The three-to-five party system, such as in Canada and Germany, is 3, because none of the parties is in full control at any level, and a cooperation of two parties must take place. Societal groups and businesses are more specifically present within one of these parties, organized within the governmental level. Elections can be organized in districts (collective voting) or based on individual choices, but with a general threshold (parties must win at least x-amount of votes, for instance 5% before getting seats). 3 is the first number that can stand on itself. A table with three legs is not most stable, but unlike a table with two legs having to lean against a wall to be considered a table, a table with 3 legs can stand on its own. The population has a real choice, for three, four or five parties compete for the voters based on contents, not on black-and-white programs of organizing and dis-organizing.

The proportional system, such as in the Netherlands, Israel, and Spain, is 4 and 5, because the population receives representation according to the individual votes. Often three to five large parties exist, and many small ones People and businesses and groups are able to translate their desires into specific parties. In general two parties must cooperate to form a government, sometimes it requires three parties. This is the level where the population and the political system are very similar. It contains many options, and may therefore not be the best model for very large nations. 4 is the overall number, 5 is the number of the overall outcome that is very similar to the actual overall number. (This is called the synergistic difference)



I mention this to you guys as the example that a political structure is not set in stone, but exists in varieties. To get to a single political structure implies ignoring the other options. There is nothing wrong with that, but it shows how each structure is strongly self-based, not sensitive to the structural parts of the other structures (though each system is sensitive to the outcomes of the other structures in our interactive world).

And if you know the pentaist theory is based on a matrix of 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, then you probably get what the 0 stands for: people not caring who is in control. That can all by itself be quite empowering; by ignoring the political powers, and only bending when required to bend, people can be quite strong on their own. It contains certain freedoms, but not any of the freedoms what to do with the whole, because that is in the hands of those in 1, 2, 3, or 4/5.



If you wish, Drifter, you can view each number as a separate story in which 1 wolf exists, 2 wolves exist, 3 wolves exist, 4 wolves exist. I hope you can see that your wolf-delivery is just one out of a larger variety.

If there's just one wolf (and you feed it), you are stuck with it. If there are two wolves, you have a choice to feed one and not the other, but they are still wolves. If you have three wolves, you already have a chance to influence the offspring, and if you have four wolves you can most certainly select which ones you want to feed and keep as offspring. And that's exactly how we got man's best friend: the dog. We kept the friendliest wolves, and if you watch the Discovery Channel much you know that within very few generations, the wolves became dogs.

A psyche so fragmented is called? Schizophrenia... so politically it we could call it deluded tactics or tyranny hiding behind the flag of democracy mocking the people's ignorance.

Divide and conquer... Have you watched the edgemediatv journalistic expose` documentary?

http://www.edgemediatv.com/icke/

Take 10 minute bites to absord the info you can pause and restart... if it's not for you...dont watch it...I will not look away...

or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR1yXR2E_M8