[Fredrick]

Originally Posted by melanie

Apologies for my Grammar

Grammar or not: you got it, Melanie!



This is scientifically a very satisfying reply to me, because you got. And please don't worry about word use; all of us - we do it all the time. I only used this language stuff as an example to show you how incredibly insignificant the differences are to get something pronounced absolutely right. And that was subsequently meant to show how close to impossible it is going to be for me to convince scientists about the pentaist ToE. Scientists are in general people who are totally not trained in understanding structures of the mind (the tricks the mind can play) or in understanding the intricacies of language. That's why you find separate entries in the dictionary for how words are commonly used in science because scientists are in general really bad at using language; they are so bad at it, they make up their own stuff in language.

Originally Posted by melanie

And scientifically speaking, that is quite right of course.

Namaste.
melanie.

Thank you, Melanie, I am really glad we both believe (are convinced/certain) that within science there is no overall unification. That is the whole point I am trying to make. I am glad you see the obviousness of it. Scientists (many, though not all) do not see it this way; either because they disagree with it out of hand or because they are not aware that this is vital in understanding the whole.


Thank you for getting it. You made my day/week/month ! ! !

Originally Posted by melanie

Thanks fredrick, although i would say nothing in reality is either abstract nor otherwise.

And that is the beauty of it: the abstract is a nothing. Yet even when it doesn't really exist as an apple exists in our reality, the abstract (math) is of the highest level in science.

P.S. Did I mention I have simple mathematical evidence to support the pentaist ToE, yet I have trouble getting anyone to focus on it?

The evidence in short: when using numbers systematically, the number zero is always a part of the system, from the binary system to the decimal system to any number system. This nothing number pops up - always.

[Drifter]

[From STUDIES IN OCCULT PHILOSOPHY, pages 361-64.]

> Once separated from the common influences of Society, NOTHING
> draws us to any outsider save his evolving spirituality. He may
> be a Bacon or an Aristotle in knowledge, and still not even make
> his current felt a feather's weight by us, if his power is
> confined to the Manas. The supreme energy resides in the Buddhi;
> latent -- when wedded to Atman alone, active and irresistible
> when galvanized by the essence of 'Manas' and when none of the
> dross of the latter commingles with that pure ESSENCE to weigh it
> down by its finite nature. Manas, pure and simple, is of a lower
> degree, and of the earth earthly: and so your greatest men count
> but as nonentities in the arena where greatness is measured by
> the standard of spiritual development.

"The true value of a human being can be directly measured to the degree in which he has attained 'Liberation' from His-self." ~Albert Einstein

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Fredrick

Grammar or not: you got it, Melanie!



This is scientifically a very satisfying reply to me, because you got. And please don't worry about word use; all of us - we do it all the time. I only used this language stuff as an example to show you how incredibly insignificant the differences are to get something pronounced absolutely right. And that was subsequently meant to show how close to impossible it is going to be for me to convince scientists about the pentaist ToE. Scientists are in general people who are totally not trained in understanding structures of the mind (the tricks the mind can play) or in understanding the intricacies of language. That's why you find separate entries in the dictionary for how words are commonly used in science because scientists are in general really bad at using language; they are so bad at it, they make up their own stuff in language.



Thank you, Melanie, I am really glad we both believe (are convinced/certain) that within science there is no overall unification. That is the whole point I am trying to make. I am glad you see the obviousness of it. Scientists (many, though not all) do not see it this way; either because they disagree with it out of hand or because they are not aware that this is vital in understanding the whole.


Thank you for getting it. You made my day/week/month ! ! !



And that is the beauty of it: the abstract is a nothing. Yet even when it doesn't really exist as an apple exists in our reality, the abstract (math) is of the highest level in science.

P.S. Did I mention I have simple mathematical evidence to support the pentaist ToE, yet I have trouble getting anyone to focus on it?

The evidence in short: when using numbers systematically, the number zero is always a part of the system, from the binary system to the decimal system to any number system. This nothing number pops up - always.

W0W Fredrick You are S0000000000000
C0000000000000000L




Namaste.
melanie.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter

"The true value of a human being can be directly measured to the degree in which he has attained 'Liberation' from His-self." ~Albert Einstein

"A little science estranges man from God. A lot of science brings him back." ~Francis Bacon~




With loving thanks & gratitude.

melanie.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter

"The true value of a human being can be directly measured to the degree in which he has attained 'Liberation' from His-self." ~Albert Einstein

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by melanie

"A little science estranges man from God. A lot of science brings him back." ~Francis Bacon~




With loving thanks & gratitude.

melanie.

Thanks Love

Namaste`
D.

ps "What we hold in mind produces of its own kind."

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by melanie

"All I Ever Needed To Know"
Author Robert Faughum

All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" by Robert Faughum contains this priceless advice.

Most of what I really need to know about life, I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the tip of the graduate school mountain, but here in the sandbox at nursery school. These are the things I learned: Share everything. Play fair. Don't hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don't take things that aren't yours. Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush! Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life. Learn and think, draw and paint, sing and dance, play and work a little everyday.

Take a nap every afternoon. When you get out into the world, watch for traffic, hold hands, and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the plastic cup. The roots go down and the plant goes up, and nobody really knows why, but we are all like that.

Goldfish, hamsters, white mice, and even the little seed in the plastic cup ? they all die. So do we.

And then remember the book about Dick and Jane, and the first word you learned, the biggest word of all: LOOK. Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden rule, love and basic sanitation; ecology, politics and sane living.

Think of what a better world it would be if all of us ? the whole world ? had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon, and then lay down with our blankets for a nap. Or if we had a basic policy in our nation, and other nations, always to put things back where we found them, and cleaned up our own messes.

And it's still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out into the world, it's best to hold hands and stick together.

Namaste` Mel,

Love ya,
D.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by Fredrick

Wow, Austin,

I bet that must feel good!

Thank you for digging all this out from quite deep and putting it in a Big Guy proze. You hit many truthful note, augmented with unanswerable questions that others (but in some sense we, too) feel the need to answer.

I would sum it up with: if the divine exists, then we have the divine in ourselves. To find the definitive answer to the question whether the divine exists is like chasing our own tail that fell off a few ancestors ago.

To find god as a separate entity does not make sense, because the creation must be made of something, so if there is a god then the creation must be made from god. And if god took parts of godself to create creation then god cannot be perfect anymore (except occasionally within creation). And if we are created in the image of god then we should not consider ourselves as perfect (except when aiming for the perfect excercise of ourselves and the perfect execution for ourselves and others).

Singularity is the perfect answer. It does not exist as such, yet a singular reason, such as reaching the limits of the previous state, can have caused our current state to come into existence.

Sorry. I just couldn't resist!

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Thanks Love


"What we hold in mind produces of its own kind."

Your kind is so kind
Your kind is my kind



( Much Love to you from.. just another brick in the wall )

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Drifter

"All I Ever Needed To Know"
Author Robert Faughum

All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" by Robert Faughum contains this priceless advice.

Most of what I really need to know about life, I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the tip of the graduate school mountain, but here in the sandbox at nursery school. These are the things I learned: Share everything. Play fair. Don't hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don't take things that aren't yours. Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush! Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life. Learn and think, draw and paint, sing and dance, play and work a little everyday.

Take a nap every afternoon. When you get out into the world, watch for traffic, hold hands, and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the plastic cup. The roots go down and the plant goes up, and nobody really knows why, but we are all like that.

Goldfish, hamsters, white mice, and even the little seed in the plastic cup ? they all die. So do we.

And then remember the book about Dick and Jane, and the first word you learned, the biggest word of all: LOOK. Everything you need to know is in there somewhere. The Golden rule, love and basic sanitation; ecology, politics and sane living.

Think of what a better world it would be if all of us ? the whole world ? had cookies and milk about three o'clock every afternoon, and then lay down with our blankets for a nap. Or if we had a basic policy in our nation, and other nations, always to put things back where we found them, and cleaned up our own messes.

And it's still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out into the world, it's best to hold hands and stick together.

Namaste` Mel,

Love ya,
D.

This is so very beautiful Drifter. Thankyou for sharing.

I remember the Dick & Jane books very well at primary school,
strangely enough reading became my most favorite and most enjoyable thing to do.



I never get tired of looking UP

((( sky dancer star gazer.namaste.melanie. )))