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    Quote Originally Posted by baudrunner
    To what do you attribute the cause of this evolutionary trend of the expanding cerebral cortex and the growing intelligence of the human being as opposed to that of the animals, which only became better animals?
    No need in apologies. I never feel insulted for other people’s posts (of whatever kind), especially when they’re allowed and are close to the subject.
    As you notice, I always mention that my approach to subject isn’t scientific. I mean that I always try to derive some practical seed for me from amounts of facts and considerations, and sometimes manage to. I like to systematize everything.
    As for the scheme above by Haulica, J., I came across it 15-17 years ago and, as I needed to train my physical body with some advantageous method, analyzed it several times wandering what was the reason of different answers from autonomous nervous system to stimulations. Then developed my own imagination (picture) of chasing which cleared and put in order everything in my mind towards this subject, so thanks to Haulica, J. for excellent research. Only interpretations of results of experiment belong to me, nothing else. So far I train myself by training of autonomous nervous system.
    Also when I needed to organize myself (my personality) as social subject, (especially to organize my subconscious, automated functions and irritational-inhibitional balance), I recalled learnt by me about reflexes, also about the phenomenon of dominant and developed my own method of organization of personality (only for myself, with the purpose of practical using):
    For inst., I gave up smoking with this method in a month, 12 years ago, without any straining, so I’m using mentioned method of organization up to now, at my work, so I really don’t pretend my method to be a high-class scientific achievement.
    I also took some breathing yogic methods from yogi Ramacharaca…
    Some psychological methods of influence on persons, or on mass from Doctor of psychological sciences Sarjveladze, and from ordinary people from my practical experience of life…
    Some methods for organization of governance, and for organization of universe from Jesus Christ, Lao Tse, Buddha, Sufis, Stalin…
    So that mixed up “knowledge” can’t be called scientific.
    As for DNA I don’t remember even exact construction of it, except for the names of some amino acids, and that it presents a chain of them, and remember nothing more. I’m not concentrated on this subject presently.
    I can say generally that in case of human: evolution of body, of nervous system and especially of cerebral cortex has been changing in direction of “humanization”:
    ---As for motor nervous system (its both, central and peripheral parts), instead of four lower extremities, only two (lower of them) play essential role for escaping in human, i.e. the corresponding zone in brain (for escape - extremities) changed as well accordingly (i.e. cortical zone for escape mainly corresponds to lower extremities only).
    As for sensitive systems, vision plays more informative role in human, so its function increased, so occipital lobe (corresponding zone for this function) is more powerful, than that of hearing and especially that of smelling (the functions, which lost prevailing functional using) and even example of advertising on TV can prove that all preview trailers are considered for influence on vision, partly on hearing and by their associative links on consciousness and sub-consciousness of “victims” (i.e. of auditorium).
    As for correlative functions of cortex, it also changed according to “striving” of human race for relatively long period of time (millenniums and centuries), i.e. motives for escaping, for chasing, for reproduction or readiness for any action, readiness for different kinds of danger changed according to “striving” of whole race and according to changing of environment. The main figurative formula for evolution can be excellent old saying: If you sow (endeavor) a try (an attempt), you’ll reap a habit, if you sow the habit, you’ll reap a character, if you sow the character, you’ll reap a fate.
    And all kind of living creatures (and humans as well among them) changes according to this formula, i.e. evolutional consequences are results of quality, of character, of direction of evolutional process itself.
    Here I’d like to mention so called Astvatsaturov’s grasping pathological reflex (of upper extremities), which doesn’t exist manifested in healthy human and only “frees itself” after the insult (cerebral hemorrhage). To say briefly, grasping reflex was in great need in previous periods of human existence for "grasping purposes" and presently experiences atrophy because of developing "other complex, mental grasping means".
    I.e. striving+environment are prompting conditions that in result determine evolution of living organism (body, tribe, race) and its brain as well.
    So if human race generally was concentrated on developing of associative, correlative, analyzing, productive (in various scientific and art sphere…) functions of cortex, then mentioned 2mm gray layer is the result of told above concentration of whole race for relatively long period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudrunner
    More "categories" were probably provided by the DNA's "Simpson's Desert Regions", which were once thought to have no useful function and were once commonly referred to as "junk DNA". This "junk DNA" represents about 98% of the entire DNA molecule. Researchers have now identified certain segments of these regions which facilitate the process in gene selection for protein synthesis and appear to provide some other useful functions after all, in contrast to the task of providing the actual gene template, which is the job of the allele, or genetically coded portion.
    I wonder how much of this "junk DNA" actually is critical for an organisms ability to rapidly evolve due to external pathogens. That is, imagine that parts of the DNA actually allow the organism to rapdily change its overvall phenotype to respond to environmental conditions.

    Certainly not all of this junk DNA serves this role- but it would make sense that some of it would. Also, some of this junk DNA has inevitably been inserted by viruses who are vertically propagating- that is- propagating from parent to child through their own DNA, and flipping on when the appropriate external switch (normally a version of the virus itself) appears to turn it on.

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    Smile whencan we expect more?

    Have read through your work again,really great,when will there be more.




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    We don't have any neurons; we all have spirits! We are the one and only species which were meant to be; animals are inferior and have no spirits, only we have! Animals are just there so we could feed our superior spirits with them, with the only purpose we could live to enjoy money and good looks and now.



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    Smile what happened prior to evolution?

    In the Involutionary process,can you see that these peculiarities would have
    to be pre-packaged,so that they would emerge at a later date,when the evolutionary cycle had commenced?




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    Quote Originally Posted by David Maes
    We don't have any neurons; we all have spirits! We are the one and only species which were meant to be; animals are inferior and have no spirits, only we have! Animals are just there so we could feed our superior spirits with them, with the only purpose we could live to enjoy money and good looks and now.




    I don't understand why there wasn't anybody who was arrogant against my statement? I believe you were allowed to (bit disappointed; wanted to provoce a reaction; expected reactions of higher stars to enforce the opposite) (consider this the most ridiculous post I've ever done.)

    (except for the 'spirit'-thing; don't know and leave that open; consider it something unprovable...; don't know)

    You know, animals are also (like us) experiencing the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Maes


    I don't understand why there wasn't anybody who was arrogant against my statement? I believe you were allowed to (bit disappointed; wanted to provoce a reaction; expected reactions of higher stars to enforce the opposite) (consider this the most ridiculous post I've ever done.)

    (except for the 'spirit'-thing; don't know and leave that open; consider it something unprovable...; don't know)

    You know, animals are also (like us) experiencing the world.
    I’m preparing the answer to mkirkpatrick’s post, and everybody knows my problems with time - I’m very pressed for it. Psychologically, opposite of the formula “never try to prove what nobody doubts” is - “always try to prove what everybody doubts”, or rather "always try to deny what nobody doubts" and the latter is, and always has been my prompting credo. Are you interested why the reaction to your post and generally to such posts is so? I.e. why the brain of human is constructed this way? I think this is just the serious theme for discussion and solving.

    For instance, when I try to prove to somebody with serious expression, that, when driving the car on the highway with constant speed, the car isn’t moving, but it is only swaying smoothly from one side to another on the spot (risen slightly on shockers, in the ear), but spinning of the Earth makes the illusion of your moving forward, everybody laughs: Everybody takes it as natural for joke, (hidden hint in mentioned absurd assertion above is that, when solid body has angular speed, i.e. speed, parallel to the surface of the Earth (to tangential plane to Earth’s surface at any given moment), striving of moving body to the center of Earth lessens when moving in any surface-paralleldirection, and also, constant speed makes single system – separate amount of matter to be counted unmoved - stable), but when I try to prove, that the planet doesn’t attract solid matter risen from its surface, but solid matter is striving to the center of planet, almost everybody, I’ve discussed this matter with so far, needs concrete, precise, strong proving arguments (furiously trying to assert concepts of attraction, given in classical physics), and my psychological approach is to make them play part of solver during discussion, and some of my “discoveries” as for the gravity is dictated subconsciously by my friends and co-workers.

    I’m just reading the course of psychology (never had such opportunity), and let’s discuss such matters afterwards…
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick
    Have read through your work again,really great,when will there be more.
    Dear Michael!

    I won’t miss the opportunity to speak a little about myself. Generally, “each bird likes to hear himself sing”… (And I’m not exception) but most of people don’t like, when somebody speaks about himself, so I’ll try to combine analysis and consideration of common problems with speaking about myself in order to make post interestingly readable, i.e. let’s combine pleasing with useful…
    Important question: “why I participate in TOE quest forum?”
    Probably everyone, including Robert even once has put this question to himself. Surely, some of us do it for interesting discussions, some – to post their works, some – simply to receive a pleasure (to spend a good time), some – to achieve high rating at high-ranked forum and so on… But not everyone tries to analyze deeply motives, why they joined the forum. Let’s mention at once, that Robert realizes very well the importance of this forum and organizational side of it is solved perfectly to gather the members’ staff, which has striving to learn essential rules of universe (smaller part of members – to discover and solve these rules), i.e. their minds even once have certainly been concentrated (engaged) on study-solving of some basic regularities of universe (i.e. mentioned subject has been generalized in their brains). All of us have our own distinctive features, i.e. spheres, where we have biggest and smallest experience.
    I myself, after having graduated from the middle school successfully, entered the med. Institute at once, but afterwards was the worst student, as I have been excluded twice, then restored twice, lost 7 years (as my trial lasted for 9 years), so I had to find some general method, system for solving not only “medical”, but any different kinds of problem (any kinds of tasks), such could be for inst. – organization of environment, i.e. of place of action beforehand, to find weak points when acting rivalry to some establishment (organized groups of people), to strengthen function of memory, to find some method of rehabilitation (quickly) in order to regain strength after solving of problems of high scales (as the tasks of national and global scale are destructive for individual in any case, and especially when directed against the state system), i.e. to say briefly to develop the best common methods for technically flexible approach of solving any intellectual, or physical task.

    The first essential, I noticed, was that human organism and especially brain has restricted capabilities (i.e. those aren’t unlimited). The truth’s that all different persons, different individuals have different capabilities, but almost all of them can’t use more than small percent of this capability, so for big success of any activity (or in solving any problem) the first and necessary is to 1.concentrate on this activity or on this problem, i.e. to free mind from being engaged with any other problems and direct all its resources on solving only one problem.
    But, how long can be all ability of organism (especially of brain) engaged with the same problem (task)?
    At once a need arises in 2.combination of problems (activities) and 3.sorting of problems by their relevancy, importance:
    2. If one is engaged with intellectual activity (is concentrated on intellectual work), this work must be combined with physical activity (training physically, or physical work), as the high intellectual functions (and concentrating function among them) is the main prerogative of frontal lobe of brain, and in case of overwork of this part with intellectual work and increasing of blood stream to it results in increasing of risk of arising of deep pathological changes predominantly in mentioned part. Some people combine physical and intellectual activities several times a day i.e. have highly “saturated” hourly schedule of day, but I prefer to change type of activity daily, i.e. one day – for intellectual and the following – for physical. (At the same time in both cases I try to make each day to be given a character, style of training – but about this another time).
    If I have a time in a future, I’ll touch briefly theme of basic mechanisms of adaptation of human organism to different conditions of environment (some techniques and tactics of it).
    As well, even only permanent static position without overworking the brain with intellectual activities presents the high risk for developing deep pathological changes (I will not list all of them here in order to avoid dissemination of attention), especially in pelvis minor for both sex.
    I choose daily change of character of activity because a day itself is the thorough, complete (natural) active period of organism’s functioning, which is followed by natural form of resting (night presents the change of autonomous nervous system’s activity in radically opposite direction), i.e. day is “smallest” natural cycle of organism’s activity, which is alternated with night – the “smallest” natural cycle of resting.
    Daily change (combination) of activities results in increasing of productivity, of physical strength and flexibility of body (which becomes more resistant to destructive outer influence: to all kinds of stresses, to pathogenic micro-organisms…)
    So, the main essence of combination consists in figurative formula:
    -----During intellectual activity body is resting!
    -----During physical activity brain is resting!
    I.e. during the activity of one the second is resting.
    Surely, some technical approach is needed in choosing of type of physical activity. For inst.:
    Instead of lifting of

    100kg load on 1 meter once, one can lift
    5kg load on the same height 20 times, or rather Lift
    2kg load 50 times;

    The first variant is too big load for a person, for his joints, heart, circulatory system, muscle system, but following variants, especially the last one is the best, as all mentioned above systems of organism doesn’t experience overloading (and expected desirable physical tiredness – warranty for good spending of night is ensued in natural, even, smooth form), and in case of the last variant enriched with pranayama – yogic breathing rhythmic exercises (excellent “enriching” mean), then the last variant will acquire great advantage over the previous ones.
    I.e. one must choose from all kinds of physical training the one, which in shortest period of time causes (conditions) the less painful, adequate load of all internal organs of organism, i.e. which’s maximally effective.
    For me the great formula of physical training consists in:
    ----- Subliminal doses (under-threshold doses) of training for a longer period of time…
    For quick resulting physical training I myself prefer even, slow jog-trot on a distance of 5-7 km, two-three times a week with simultaneous yogic breathing exercises, combining it seasonally with swimming on a big distance, but distributing the latter so, that load were minimal, even, smooth, i.e. without unnecessary straining and maximally rhythmical. Of course, the different phases of training must be arranged differently, but let me not to trouble myself to analyze it here.
    Generally, technical approach is very important for easy solving of any task (or problem). Sometimes even one phrase, told by wise individual, prompted me to find out a new technique. I remember the lecture of curative gymnastics (I attended it only twice being a student), when head of chair – Svanadze taught us, that if some amount (dose) of medicine is enough for the patient with stenocardia in static (sitting) position, this dose lessens by half, if patient takes it during a walk, and the result is achieved quicker if the tablet is put under the tongue, and quicker, if some medicines are received by inhalation with water steam, and quicker and more effective for instance in case of headache of healthy individual by inhaling small dose of medicine before jog-trot, as inhaling of medicine makes its quickest getting to the brain from lungs by circulatory system and jog-trot (sympathetic activity) makes circulatory system to work faster, which exponentiates purposely influence of medicine on the pain.
    Techniques of several types for effective medical results are well known and I’m not going to analyze this particular subject. The told above is only a little example for showing importance of technical approach generally for solving any task, or any problem.
    Most important subject - 3.sorting of problems by their relevancy, importance:
    This final stage is the theme, which I prepared you beforehand for:
    As everybody says, I know a lot of strange things, and some of them assert that there isn’t place for me on the surface of the Earth, as I must already be in heaven (a joke).
    It’s very flattering, that you like my posts, but believe me that don’t make them more interesting. They all are trifling things.
    My serious favorite subject is global changes, and I have biggest experience: as I said, in the period of USSR, being innocent, I had been on the trial for 9 years, and my case passed all levels of legislation of former USSR, nobody expected me to come out dry, but I did, as I had to survive against corrupted socialist system (I’ll write about it, if I have a time).
    Recently I promised Sub. To write down, how I realized once the fragment, read in Bible by me, and it was very interesting, full of adventures and coincidences (Not less then before, in period when USSR pressed me), I put down this story but then restrained myself hesitating, as I always do when the matter concerns something sacral. Not everything must be declared (a lot must be held back).
    If one wants to enjoy freedom, s/he must make free all hierarchy – his/her family, town, country, nation, race, mankind, so freeing him/herself one must begin from freeing of whole universe and believe me there’s a plenty of techniques for it, but I never speak them out. In 1986, when I became free, I began to arrange my environment, and at once began to do it on global scale, “destroying” all obstacles on my way (my intentions were to clear my own path). Then, when I started my own family, my tasks rearranged themselves: local ones took the higher place on the list, but global ones were pot off, as earning the family up to some period is most important. I’m generally not for educational purposes here, but I expect to improve my language skills, to improve methods of offering my abilities to the mankind. If I find partner to set an experiment for restoring of ozone layer, or experiments against cataclysms and national disasters with my system “active zero”, I will at once apologize and leave this forum, as I consider solving of problems of whole mankind the tasks of utmost importance. My general problem is that I do almost everything with my hands and there isn’t time left for global affairs. Simultaneously I’m preparing the ground for resuming my system’s operation, and I’m very serious about it. As central water basin of the town must be supplied with the sewer system of a large diameter, which must be of gradually remissive size after the basin, so global actions as well must qualitatively take place in appropriate environment, global experiments must desirably be conducted with the same scale organizations, otherwise the results could be unexpectedly negative, but you know human nature, so I try and will try with some indirect methods (for instance, will try to solve some spinning rules of universe and to offer it in compact form as an article) to attract more respectful attention to me.

    So, this is really great place with its great members, who might know a lot of wonderful things, but not everything must be revealed here.

    Best regards,
    Zeroca.
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    Smile we birds can sing with a heavenly tune?????

    Well what can I say to that Zeroca?I too am one of those birdswho like to sing,
    about oneself,but as the years go by,I try,and often fail,to temper these offerings,with a modicum of humility!I agree that the mind can rest when we engage in physical activities,I go swimming most days,andtry to swim about a
    mile a day,in doing that my brain seems to rest?What are your thoughts on a
    replica nervous system,existing in the etheric realm,and acting on the physical!


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    Re: Some Behavioral Peculiarities of Nervous System Formed by Evolution

    hi Z
    i have a humble question on the rare martial art training effect where after repeated and i mean sometimes years of repetition the body hit with hard form stops reacting and there is no bruising.

    can you explain this?

    hope its not to stupid a question

    Peace!~ Graham


 

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